Well, we certainly can't blame this one on the refs.

[49r]

I think Occam's Razor works here

tcp, why do you make me google crap?

 

So, what did you find out?  Is Occam's Razor a double- or triple-blade job?  Should I give up my Gillette Mach 3 and try out one of the Occam deals?

[cipsucks]

 

I think Occam's Razor works here

tcp, why do you make me google crap?

 

So, what did you find out?  Is Occam's Razor a double- or triple-blade job?  Should I give up my Gillette Mach 3 and try out one of the Occam deals?

I found out the razor is unimportant.  It's all about the shaving cream...

 

 

[tcp]

I think Occam's Razor works here

tcp, why do you make me google crap

 

good thing I didn't compare officiating to dialectical materialism, eh?

[Norm Peterson]

 

I think Occam's Razor works here

tcp, why do you make me google crap

 

good thing I didn't compare officiating to dialectical materialism, eh?

Better thing you didn't write your post in didactic pentameter.

[Norm Peterson]

Don't see how we can say either of the calls when we fouled them on 3-pointers were "questionable"?  Those both seemed pretty obvious to me - especially the first one on Talley.  That one had to be called and was much more significant contact than anything that happened when we took a 3.

 

I have done my share of complaining about refs over the years.  Virtually no fan ever thinks his team gets fair treatment from the officials.  I doubt if we have ever had a game we lost where somebody didn't put on a post complaining about the refs or some specific call.

 

Overall I thought we had a couple of pre-league games with pretty poor officiating - worse than what we have seen in the conference.   Maybe that is just that I am probably more resigned to the fact that we are going to lose games this year and so I just don't get as bothered by the bad calls.   But I think it is inaccurate to say the Big 10 officiating is materially worse than what we had in the Big 12 - if anything I would say the opposite is probably true (but we all tend to forget the Big 12 games where we complained vehemently about the refs).

Nah, the refs sucked.

[Norm Peterson]

I have had a night to rethink my above agreement with Norm (above).  Nope, my view hasn't changed.  I simply cannot understand the calls (and non-calls) that I have witnessed the past few games.  Perhaps because we are on the bottom half of the league, perhaps it is because Coach Miles is a rookie in this league, but whatever the reason, we are not being given respect by the Big Ten officials.  It almost appears as if the Big Ten is attempting to take care of their upper level teams.  I have sent an email to the Big Ten offices with some very politically correct comments; but that, and a quarter likely won't buy me a cup of coffee.

 

I think Occam's Razor works here, and I think the simplest explanation is that we have a reputation as a team that doesn't draw fouls and that gets into the refs heads. Biases of this sort are perfectly normal and should be expected. I don't think there's any evidence of a conspiracy at all. This league has bent over backwards to make us feel at home, unlike PSU when they joined.

 

I don't like the officiating in the conference, but it's not because the get together to find ways to job Nebraska. They do appear inconsistent, especially between halves of games, and I'm wondering if they don't huddle up during halftime and critique themselves and then call the game differently based on that critique. That's almost what it looks like.

 

We lost last night because in that critical stretch we couldn't knock down a shot going inside; getting blocked or stripped and MSU hit every shot in response. Next thing you know, one point game was an eleven point game. That's how these things go.

Actually, I don't think that's the simplest explanation.

 

My first season helping coach my son's youth team, I noticed something about officiating that I never really grasped as a player and that is that there is certainly a bias but it's not a deliberate bias against a particular team.  And it's not based on a perception that Team A doesn't generally draw a lot of fouls.  It's a bias against the team that is perceived to be the lesser of the two teams.

 

I don't think refs consciously do it but I certainly think it's there.  And everyone knows it whether they want to admit it or not.  It's why the stars in the NBA get calls.  And it's why the announcers point out that so and so isn't going to get that call because he's not Lebron James.

 

When it really struck me was a game where my son's team was being pasted.  Just wasn't our night.  The other team just had some quality players that were better than anyone we had.  And we were getting waxed.  And the refs were letting the other team, who lead by 20 at the time, maul our point guard bringing the ball up the floor (which lead to a number of fast-break points); meanwhile, they were calling ticky-tack, slight contact fouls on our guys, which put us in foul trouble and made our situation even more difficult.

 

By that point, it was a learning experience for our kids and there was no point yelling at the refs or getting upset.  We just needed to pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and prepare for the next game.  BUT, there was no doubt about the bias.  From an intellectual perspective, it got me wondering about what was going on.  Why was the team that was killing us also getting the benefit of the officials' more favorable calls?  They didn't need the help.  If anything, I would have expected the refs to bend over backwards to keep things even.  Maybe even go a bit easy on us considering we were getting killed.  But that's not the way it was.

 

If it was the other team doing it, the refs seemed to view it as just an aggressive play; when it was us, they seemed to view it as being out of control. And therefore a foul.  Kid A is clearly a skilled player and he obviously knows what he's doing when he swipes at the ball (Aaron Craft, for example); Kid B is not very skilled and isn't capable of making a clean swipe, so I better blow my whistle.  And by the way, I account for my own potential bias by saying that, later in the season when we were playing a team that was clearly inferior, we got the same benefit of favorable officiating.

 

These refs, who had no dog in the fight and who were, in their minds, trying to do their best and didn't have any particular interest in either team, were obviously subconsciously biased in favor of the team that was clearly more talented. 

 

And so were the refs last night.  But forgive me for expecting B1G officials to be better (and more consistent) than youth league refs and not let those kinds of perception biases influence their officiating.

[Dean Smith]

I agree with you that refs can't help but be biased. Skinny kid gets knocked down by the better athlete and it's, "Get in the weight room son." Overly demonstrative players will get a rep and a very few officials will intentionally let's phrase it, "not give them the benefit of the doubt." With most officials its not a conscience decision, but when you have a call that can go either way and one of the players involved has just tried to show up the officials statistically speaking they are not going to get the call very often.

 

Winning coaches can get away with more than new or upstart coaches. I have to admit that unfortunately some of my coaching antics on the sidelines have cost players close calls. I just saw a coach (not me) question a ref's call in a 3rd grade game (that's right I said 3rd grade). It was obvious to those that knew the game that the official chose to take it out on the poor third graders. It became so obvious that the ref's partner started calling things the other way to make up for him. It was like 2 of the 3 stooges when the whistle blew as to which could make the call first because whoever made it was going to determine which way the call went. 

 

I tried to make up for my shortcomings by having my players be at the height of decorum. In-bounds, free throws, whenever the official handed one of my players the ball they had to respond with, "Thank you sir." I can't count the times officials complemented my team after the game on that. I even had one too close for comfort encounter in the men's room when a ref recognized me and had to tell me right then how much he liked that. I have to believe that at some time or another that was in the back of an officials mind when they decided a close call.

[tcp]

 

I have had a night to rethink my above agreement with Norm (above).  Nope, my view hasn't changed.  I simply cannot understand the calls (and non-calls) that I have witnessed the past few games.  Perhaps because we are on the bottom half of the league, perhaps it is because Coach Miles is a rookie in this league, but whatever the reason, we are not being given respect by the Big Ten officials.  It almost appears as if the Big Ten is attempting to take care of their upper level teams.  I have sent an email to the Big Ten offices with some very politically correct comments; but that, and a quarter likely won't buy me a cup of coffee.

 

I think Occam's Razor works here, and I think the simplest explanation is that we have a reputation as a team that doesn't draw fouls and that gets into the refs heads. Biases of this sort are perfectly normal and should be expected. I don't think there's any evidence of a conspiracy at all. This league has bent over backwards to make us feel at home, unlike PSU when they joined.

 

I don't like the officiating in the conference, but it's not because the get together to find ways to job Nebraska. They do appear inconsistent, especially between halves of games, and I'm wondering if they don't huddle up during halftime and critique themselves and then call the game differently based on that critique. That's almost what it looks like.

 

We lost last night because in that critical stretch we couldn't knock down a shot going inside; getting blocked or stripped and MSU hit every shot in response. Next thing you know, one point game was an eleven point game. That's how these things go.

Actually, I don't think that's the simplest explanation.

 

My first season helping coach my son's youth team, I noticed something about officiating that I never really grasped as a player and that is that there is certainly a bias but it's not a deliberate bias against a particular team.  And it's not based on a perception that Team A doesn't generally draw a lot of fouls.  It's a bias against the team that is perceived to be the lesser of the two teams.

 

I don't think refs consciously do it but I certainly think it's there.  And everyone knows it whether they want to admit it or not.  It's why the stars in the NBA get calls.  And it's why the announcers point out that so and so isn't going to get that call because he's not Lebron James.

 

When it really struck me was a game where my son's team was being pasted.  Just wasn't our night.  The other team just had some quality players that were better than anyone we had.  And we were getting waxed.  And the refs were letting the other team, who lead by 20 at the time, maul our point guard bringing the ball up the floor (which lead to a number of fast-break points); meanwhile, they were calling ticky-tack, slight contact fouls on our guys, which put us in foul trouble and made our situation even more difficult.

 

By that point, it was a learning experience for our kids and there was no point yelling at the refs or getting upset.  We just needed to pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and prepare for the next game.  BUT, there was no doubt about the bias.  From an intellectual perspective, it got me wondering about what was going on.  Why was the team that was killing us also getting the benefit of the officials' more favorable calls?  They didn't need the help.  If anything, I would have expected the refs to bend over backwards to keep things even.  Maybe even go a bit easy on us considering we were getting killed.  But that's not the way it was.

 

If it was the other team doing it, the refs seemed to view it as just an aggressive play; when it was us, they seemed to view it as being out of control. And therefore a foul.  Kid A is clearly a skilled player and he obviously knows what he's doing when he swipes at the ball (Aaron Craft, for example); Kid B is not very skilled and isn't capable of making a clean swipe, so I better blow my whistle.  And by the way, I account for my own potential bias by saying that, later in the season when we were playing a team that was clearly inferior, we got the same benefit of favorable officiating.

 

These refs, who had no dog in the fight and who were, in their minds, trying to do their best and didn't have any particular interest in either team, were obviously subconsciously biased in favor of the team that was clearly more talented. 

 

And so were the refs last night.  But forgive me for expecting B1G officials to be better (and more consistent) than youth league refs and not let those kinds of perception biases influence their officiating.

 

well said, norm, as always. my gripe is with the idea of a conscious conspiracy. as to bias as a whole, it's probably an alchemical stew of all these little expectations--team A being better than team B; team A having a rep for not drawing contact and getting blocked. Team B for blocking and stealing without fouling. When you think of the time frame of a call from infraction to whistle, the human mind looks for shortcuts--and to get Cip back into Google, heuristics--that kick in when under time pressure.

 

the fact that upsets occur at all indicates that these biases can be overcome. Do it enough and you begin to be the recipient of those biases. I don't have a problem with that, since I see "objectivity" as a chimera. Want to be the champion? Then beat the champion beyond a sliver of a doubt.

 

i really do wonder if the refs have a halftime adjustment session, though, Just out of curiosity.

[49r]

 

 

I think Occam's Razor works here

tcp, why do you make me google crap

 

good thing I didn't compare officiating to dialectical materialism, eh?

Better thing you didn't write your post in didactic pentameter.

 

Boy....

 

....you fellas kiss your mothers with those mouths???  

[BannedAccount]

Yes, the refs are out to get Nebraska and it's all their fault that Nebraska can't recruit players, can't get in the NCAA tournament, can't win games and probably the reason Doc Sadler got fired.  Seriously, give me a break and stop crying.  I thought Nebraska had the best fans? Oh wait that's only when they are winning, and nice for people to leave sooooo early last night too, must have been the refs fault also.

 

Hard to consider your critiques of our fans given your history of Husker player bashing.  The 'ol glass house concept....

Two different topics and has nothing to do with the other.  The only players I "bashed" as you said were Sek Henry and Gallegos.  Just honest evaluations of players who I don't think did much or have done much yet have got plenty of playing time.  So I'll go wash my glass house now.

[HB]

 

Yes, the refs are out to get Nebraska and it's all their fault that Nebraska can't recruit players, can't get in the NCAA tournament, can't win games and probably the reason Doc Sadler got fired.  Seriously, give me a break and stop crying.  I thought Nebraska had the best fans? Oh wait that's only when they are winning, and nice for people to leave sooooo early last night too, must have been the refs fault also.

 

Hard to consider your critiques of our fans given your history of Husker player bashing.  The 'ol glass house concept....

Two different topics and has nothing to do with the other.  The only players I "bashed" as you said were Sek Henry and Gallegos.  Just honest evaluations of players who I don't think did much or have done much yet have got plenty of playing time.  So I'll go wash my glass house now.

No need to put "bash" in quotes, 'cause that's exactly what you do to hard-working,decent players who gave the Husker their all over multiple years.  And I guess they "didn't do much" other than cause us to win many games that we wouldn't have won without them. 

[BannedAccount]

 

 

Yes, the refs are out to get Nebraska and it's all their fault that Nebraska can't recruit players, can't get in the NCAA tournament, can't win games and probably the reason Doc Sadler got fired.  Seriously, give me a break and stop crying.  I thought Nebraska had the best fans? Oh wait that's only when they are winning, and nice for people to leave sooooo early last night too, must have been the refs fault also.

 

Hard to consider your critiques of our fans given your history of Husker player bashing.  The 'ol glass house concept....

Two different topics and has nothing to do with the other.  The only players I "bashed" as you said were Sek Henry and Gallegos.  Just honest evaluations of players who I don't think did much or have done much yet have got plenty of playing time.  So I'll go wash my glass house now.

No need to put "bash" in quotes, 'cause that's exactly what you do to hard-working,decent players who gave the Husker their all over multiple years.  And I guess they "didn't do much" other than cause us to win many games that we wouldn't have won without them. 

As I stated before, just cause you work really hard doesn't make you a good player.  I have given credit to many players especially those who were more skilled and people said they didn't work hard like CSH, Diaz, Bear, Jeter, Ubies, and others.  Honest evaulation of a player and what their role is and questioning why they play so many minutes is valid.  I never said they didn't work hard and weren't a fit for what they did.   And honestly, they haven't won many games over the years, let's be honest.  Not something to be proud of and hopefully we get the right players who will. 

[HB]

 

 

 

Yes, the refs are out to get Nebraska and it's all their fault that Nebraska can't recruit players, can't get in the NCAA tournament, can't win games and probably the reason Doc Sadler got fired.  Seriously, give me a break and stop crying.  I thought Nebraska had the best fans? Oh wait that's only when they are winning, and nice for people to leave sooooo early last night too, must have been the refs fault also.

 

Hard to consider your critiques of our fans given your history of Husker player bashing.  The 'ol glass house concept....

Two different topics and has nothing to do with the other.  The only players I "bashed" as you said were Sek Henry and Gallegos.  Just honest evaluations of players who I don't think did much or have done much yet have got plenty of playing time.  So I'll go wash my glass house now.

No need to put "bash" in quotes, 'cause that's exactly what you do to hard-working,decent players who gave the Husker their all over multiple years.  And I guess they "didn't do much" other than cause us to win many games that we wouldn't have won without them. 

As I stated before, just cause you work really hard doesn't make you a good player.  I have given credit to many players especially those who were more skilled and people said they didn't work hard like CSH, Diaz, Bear, Jeter, Ubies, and others.  Honest evaulation of a player and what their role is and questioning why they play so many minutes is valid.  I never said they didn't work hard and weren't a fit for what they did.   And honestly, they haven't won many games over the years, let's be honest.  Not something to be proud of and hopefully we get the right players who will. 

Of all the stiffs we've had here in the past 12 years, you singling out those 2 guys just seems pretty strange, and over the top.  Way better players than you realize.  Who would you have played instead of Sek--all those studs we had on the bench?  Who would you play this year instead of Ray?  Seriously.  Questioning his minutes this year when we can put in Menke instead is absurd.

[BannedAccount]

 

 

 

 

Yes, the refs are out to get Nebraska and it's all their fault that Nebraska can't recruit players, can't get in the NCAA tournament, can't win games and probably the reason Doc Sadler got fired.  Seriously, give me a break and stop crying.  I thought Nebraska had the best fans? Oh wait that's only when they are winning, and nice for people to leave sooooo early last night too, must have been the refs fault also.

 

Hard to consider your critiques of our fans given your history of Husker player bashing.  The 'ol glass house concept....

Two different topics and has nothing to do with the other.  The only players I "bashed" as you said were Sek Henry and Gallegos.  Just honest evaluations of players who I don't think did much or have done much yet have got plenty of playing time.  So I'll go wash my glass house now.

No need to put "bash" in quotes, 'cause that's exactly what you do to hard-working,decent players who gave the Husker their all over multiple years.  And I guess they "didn't do much" other than cause us to win many games that we wouldn't have won without them. 

As I stated before, just cause you work really hard doesn't make you a good player.  I have given credit to many players especially those who were more skilled and people said they didn't work hard like CSH, Diaz, Bear, Jeter, Ubies, and others.  Honest evaulation of a player and what their role is and questioning why they play so many minutes is valid.  I never said they didn't work hard and weren't a fit for what they did.   And honestly, they haven't won many games over the years, let's be honest.  Not something to be proud of and hopefully we get the right players who will. 

Of all the stiffs we've had here in the past 12 years, you singling out those 2 guys just seems pretty strange, and over the top.  Way better players than you realize.  Who would you have played instead of Sek--all those studs we had on the bench?  Who would you play this year instead of Ray?  Seriously.  Questing his minutes this year when we can put in Menke instead is absurd.

Bear, McCray, Beranek, CSH....I wasn't singling them out just stating my point on what I thought of them as a player.  And I blame more the Coach and system for not playing the more talented players and holding players back.  That's why we have a new coach.  I have never bashed Rayes.  Unfortunately there isn't any options this year, but jacking up wild 3's off screens from running the baseline all night when you used to penetrate and elevate does no good.  Anyone could take the shots he does at any point in the shot clock.  I do like Menke as a ball handler.  I do like JT as a penetrator.  I think Rey needs to pull it back a little.  I don't see how giving an opinon on a player is over the top.  I assume you are also satified that the football team wins 9 games every year too and would never talk about a player being out played. 

[HB]

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, the refs are out to get Nebraska and it's all their fault that Nebraska can't recruit players, can't get in the NCAA tournament, can't win games and probably the reason Doc Sadler got fired.  Seriously, give me a break and stop crying.  I thought Nebraska had the best fans? Oh wait that's only when they are winning, and nice for people to leave sooooo early last night too, must have been the refs fault also.

 

Hard to consider your critiques of our fans given your history of Husker player bashing.  The 'ol glass house concept....

Two different topics and has nothing to do with the other.  The only players I "bashed" as you said were Sek Henry and Gallegos.  Just honest evaluations of players who I don't think did much or have done much yet have got plenty of playing time.  So I'll go wash my glass house now.

No need to put "bash" in quotes, 'cause that's exactly what you do to hard-working,decent players who gave the Husker their all over multiple years.  And I guess they "didn't do much" other than cause us to win many games that we wouldn't have won without them. 

As I stated before, just cause you work really hard doesn't make you a good player.  I have given credit to many players especially those who were more skilled and people said they didn't work hard like CSH, Diaz, Bear, Jeter, Ubies, and others.  Honest evaulation of a player and what their role is and questioning why they play so many minutes is valid.  I never said they didn't work hard and weren't a fit for what they did.   And honestly, they haven't won many games over the years, let's be honest.  Not something to be proud of and hopefully we get the right players who will. 

Of all the stiffs we've had here in the past 12 years, you singling out those 2 guys just seems pretty strange, and over the top.  Way better players than you realize.  Who would you have played instead of Sek--all those studs we had on the bench?  Who would you play this year instead of Ray?  Seriously.  Questing his minutes this year when we can put in Menke instead is absurd.

Bear, McCray, Beranek, CSH....I wasn't singling them out just stating my point on what I thought of them as a player.  And I blame more the Coach and system for not playing the more talented players and holding players back.  That's why we have a new coach.  I have never bashed Rayes.  Unfortunately there isn't any options this year, but jacking up wild 3's off screens from running the baseline all night when you used to penetrate and elevate does no good.  Anyone could take the shots he does at any point in the shot clock.  I do like Menke as a ball handler.  I do like JT as a penetrator.  I think Rey needs to pull it back a little.  I don't see how giving an opinon on a player is over the top.  I assume you are also satified that the football team wins 9 games every year too and would never talk about a player being out played. 

Uh, saying you are counting the days until you never have to watch him play again probably counts as a bash.  No different than Coz saying it's a good thing Ubel is gone.  Wrong players, wrong degree of criticism.  Had you kept it to your thoughts on specifics to Rays game, that's one thing, but singling this guy out to want off the team immediately is indeed over the top.  If you remotely think we would be better off playing Menke and Tyrance, that says all we need to know about your player evaluation knowledge.  Just like thinking Sek was terrible, when he wasn't anything close to it. 

[HB]

Speaking of refs:  Perhaps someone can link Blair Kerkoff's article Sunday in the Kansas City Star, in which he quotes Jay Bilas as believing that the refs not calling fouls hurting the college game.  FWIW, I agree with Bilas.  The amount of contact allowed this year is unbelievable--noticably increased in my opinion--and the continuim between "let 'em play" and "call the game according to the rules" has gone decidedly and excessively to "let 'em play".  Good, thought-provoking statements by Bilas and in the article.

[Huskerpapa]

Agree with you HB, it is also the inconsistency of the calls.  I am amazed when you go back and look at video/film from 10 years or so ago and compare it to today.  The game was once much more geared towards athletism where today you must be physical as well as athletic...here is the link.

 

http://www.kansascity.com/2013/02/17/4072369/kerkhoff-to-bilas-no-foul-is-harm.html

[BannedAccount]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, the refs are out to get Nebraska and it's all their fault that Nebraska can't recruit players, can't get in the NCAA tournament, can't win games and probably the reason Doc Sadler got fired.  Seriously, give me a break and stop crying.  I thought Nebraska had the best fans? Oh wait that's only when they are winning, and nice for people to leave sooooo early last night too, must have been the refs fault also.

 

Hard to consider your critiques of our fans given your history of Husker player bashing.  The 'ol glass house concept....

Two different topics and has nothing to do with the other.  The only players I "bashed" as you said were Sek Henry and Gallegos.  Just honest evaluations of players who I don't think did much or have done much yet have got plenty of playing time.  So I'll go wash my glass house now.

No need to put "bash" in quotes, 'cause that's exactly what you do to hard-working,decent players who gave the Husker their all over multiple years.  And I guess they "didn't do much" other than cause us to win many games that we wouldn't have won without them. 

As I stated before, just cause you work really hard doesn't make you a good player.  I have given credit to many players especially those who were more skilled and people said they didn't work hard like CSH, Diaz, Bear, Jeter, Ubies, and others.  Honest evaulation of a player and what their role is and questioning why they play so many minutes is valid.  I never said they didn't work hard and weren't a fit for what they did.   And honestly, they haven't won many games over the years, let's be honest.  Not something to be proud of and hopefully we get the right players who will. 

Of all the stiffs we've had here in the past 12 years, you singling out those 2 guys just seems pretty strange, and over the top.  Way better players than you realize.  Who would you have played instead of Sek--all those studs we had on the bench?  Who would you play this year instead of Ray?  Seriously.  Questing his minutes this year when we can put in Menke instead is absurd.

Bear, McCray, Beranek, CSH....I wasn't singling them out just stating my point on what I thought of them as a player.  And I blame more the Coach and system for not playing the more talented players and holding players back.  That's why we have a new coach.  I have never bashed Rayes.  Unfortunately there isn't any options this year, but jacking up wild 3's off screens from running the baseline all night when you used to penetrate and elevate does no good.  Anyone could take the shots he does at any point in the shot clock.  I do like Menke as a ball handler.  I do like JT as a penetrator.  I think Rey needs to pull it back a little.  I don't see how giving an opinon on a player is over the top.  I assume you are also satified that the football team wins 9 games every year too and would never talk about a player being out played. 

Uh, saying you are counting the days until you never have to watch him play again probably counts as a bash.  No different than Coz saying it's a good thing Ubel is gone.  Wrong players, wrong degree of criticism.  Had you kept it to your thoughts on specifics to Rays game, that's one thing, but singling this guy out to want off the team immediately is indeed over the top.  If you remotely think we would be better off playing Menke and Tyrance, that says all we need to know about your player evaluation knowledge.  Just like thinking Sek was terrible, when he wasn't anything close to it. 

 

He averaged less than 9pts a game, was an average 3 pt shooter, a below avg ft shooter for a guard and wasn't the best defender that Doc made you believe. And he played almost 30 mins a game. It's not like this year where there aren't any other options. And how dare you bash Tyrance and Menke. That is terrible. These are walkons that put their heart and soul in this program. That is so low of you. Glass House.

[Ron Mexico]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, the refs are out to get Nebraska and it's all their fault that Nebraska can't recruit players, can't get in the NCAA tournament, can't win games and probably the reason Doc Sadler got fired.  Seriously, give me a break and stop crying.  I thought Nebraska had the best fans? Oh wait that's only when they are winning, and nice for people to leave sooooo early last night too, must have been the refs fault also.

 

Hard to consider your critiques of our fans given your history of Husker player bashing.  The 'ol glass house concept....

Two different topics and has nothing to do with the other.  The only players I "bashed" as you said were Sek Henry and Gallegos.  Just honest evaluations of players who I don't think did much or have done much yet have got plenty of playing time.  So I'll go wash my glass house now.

No need to put "bash" in quotes, 'cause that's exactly what you do to hard-working,decent players who gave the Husker their all over multiple years.  And I guess they "didn't do much" other than cause us to win many games that we wouldn't have won without them. 

As I stated before, just cause you work really hard doesn't make you a good player.  I have given credit to many players especially those who were more skilled and people said they didn't work hard like CSH, Diaz, Bear, Jeter, Ubies, and others.  Honest evaulation of a player and what their role is and questioning why they play so many minutes is valid.  I never said they didn't work hard and weren't a fit for what they did.   And honestly, they haven't won many games over the years, let's be honest.  Not something to be proud of and hopefully we get the right players who will. 

Of all the stiffs we've had here in the past 12 years, you singling out those 2 guys just seems pretty strange, and over the top.  Way better players than you realize.  Who would you have played instead of Sek--all those studs we had on the bench?  Who would you play this year instead of Ray?  Seriously.  Questing his minutes this year when we can put in Menke instead is absurd.

Bear, McCray, Beranek, CSH....I wasn't singling them out just stating my point on what I thought of them as a player.  And I blame more the Coach and system for not playing the more talented players and holding players back.  That's why we have a new coach.  I have never bashed Rayes.  Unfortunately there isn't any options this year, but jacking up wild 3's off screens from running the baseline all night when you used to penetrate and elevate does no good.  Anyone could take the shots he does at any point in the shot clock.  I do like Menke as a ball handler.  I do like JT as a penetrator.  I think Rey needs to pull it back a little.  I don't see how giving an opinon on a player is over the top.  I assume you are also satified that the football team wins 9 games every year too and would never talk about a player being out played. 

Uh, saying you are counting the days until you never have to watch him play again probably counts as a bash.  No different than Coz saying it's a good thing Ubel is gone.  Wrong players, wrong degree of criticism.  Had you kept it to your thoughts on specifics to Rays game, that's one thing, but singling this guy out to want off the team immediately is indeed over the top.  If you remotely think we would be better off playing Menke and Tyrance, that says all we need to know about your player evaluation knowledge.  Just like thinking Sek was terrible, when he wasn't anything close to it. 

 

He averaged less than 9pts a game, was an average 3 pt shooter, a below avg ft shooter for a guard and wasn't the best defender that Doc made you believe. And he played almost 30 mins a game. It's not like this year where there aren't any other options. And how dare you bash Tyrance and Menke. That is terrible. These are walkons that put their heart and soul in this program. That is so low of you. Glass House.

Dude you should quit while you are only way behind. We've all seen posts where you bash individual players knowing that we didn't have better options. This is why wins are so hard to come by this year. We just don't have a better option. You want to rip on a coach that's fine, but some of the things you've said about players is way out of line. Reyes and Sek work(ed) their rear ends off and they don't deserve being bashed. 

 

Like HB I question why have choosen to single these 2 players out....strange.

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Yes, the refs are out to get Nebraska and it's all their fault that Nebraska can't recruit players, can't get in the NCAA tournament, can't win games and probably the reason Doc Sadler got fired.  Seriously, give me a break and stop crying.  I thought Nebraska had the best fans? Oh wait that's only when they are winning, and nice for people to leave sooooo early last night too, must have been the refs fault also.

 

Hard to consider your critiques of our fans given your history of Husker player bashing.  The 'ol glass house concept....

Two different topics and has nothing to do with the other.  The only players I "bashed" as you said were Sek Henry and Gallegos.  Just honest evaluations of players who I don't think did much or have done much yet have got plenty of playing time.  So I'll go wash my glass house now.

No need to put "bash" in quotes, 'cause that's exactly what you do to hard-working,decent players who gave the Husker their all over multiple years.  And I guess they "didn't do much" other than cause us to win many games that we wouldn't have won without them. 

As I stated before, just cause you work really hard doesn't make you a good player.  I have given credit to many players especially those who were more skilled and people said they didn't work hard like CSH, Diaz, Bear, Jeter, Ubies, and others.  Honest evaulation of a player and what their role is and questioning why they play so many minutes is valid.  I never said they didn't work hard and weren't a fit for what they did.   And honestly, they haven't won many games over the years, let's be honest.  Not something to be proud of and hopefully we get the right players who will. 

Of all the stiffs we've had here in the past 12 years, you singling out those 2 guys just seems pretty strange, and over the top.  Way better players than you realize.  Who would you have played instead of Sek--all those studs we had on the bench?  Who would you play this year instead of Ray?  Seriously.  Questing his minutes this year when we can put in Menke instead is absurd.

Bear, McCray, Beranek, CSH....I wasn't singling them out just stating my point on what I thought of them as a player.  And I blame more the Coach and system for not playing the more talented players and holding players back.  That's why we have a new coach.  I have never bashed Rayes.  Unfortunately there isn't any options this year, but jacking up wild 3's off screens from running the baseline all night when you used to penetrate and elevate does no good.  Anyone could take the shots he does at any point in the shot clock.  I do like Menke as a ball handler.  I do like JT as a penetrator.  I think Rey needs to pull it back a little.  I don't see how giving an opinon on a player is over the top.  I assume you are also satified that the football team wins 9 games every year too and would never talk about a player being out played. 

Uh, saying you are counting the days until you never have to watch him play again probably counts as a bash.  No different than Coz saying it's a good thing Ubel is gone.  Wrong players, wrong degree of criticism.  Had you kept it to your thoughts on specifics to Rays game, that's one thing, but singling this guy out to want off the team immediately is indeed over the top.  If you remotely think we would be better off playing Menke and Tyrance, that says all we need to know about your player evaluation knowledge.  Just like thinking Sek was terrible, when he wasn't anything close to it. 

 

He averaged less than 9pts a game, was an average 3 pt shooter, a below avg ft shooter for a guard and wasn't the best defender that Doc made you believe. And he played almost 30 mins a game. It's not like this year where there aren't any other options. And how dare you bash Tyrance and Menke. That is terrible. These are walkons that put their heart and soul in this program. That is so low of you. Glass House.

Dude you should quit while you are only way behind. We've all seen posts where you bash individual players knowing that we didn't have better options. This is why wins are so hard to come by this year. We just don't have a better option. You want to rip on a coach that's fine, but some of the things you've said about players is way out of line. Reyes and Sek work(ed) their rear ends off and they don't deserve being bashed. 

 

Like HB I question why have choosen to single these 2 players out....strange.

 

I'm not singling them out. People were talking about them and I was giving my opinion based on facts and ovservation. Never bashing them. I work my butt off and am dedicated at my job. Doesn't mean I deserve to be a CEO.

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I've seen worse! 

[Norm Peterson]

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I've seen worse! 

Me too. 

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Me too. 

I bet. 

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Yes, the refs are out to get Nebraska and it's all their fault that Nebraska can't recruit players, can't get in the NCAA tournament, can't win games and probably the reason Doc Sadler got fired.  Seriously, give me a break and stop crying.  I thought Nebraska had the best fans? Oh wait that's only when they are winning, and nice for people to leave sooooo early last night too, must have been the refs fault also.

 

Hard to consider your critiques of our fans given your history of Husker player bashing.  The 'ol glass house concept....

Two different topics and has nothing to do with the other.  The only players I "bashed" as you said were Sek Henry and Gallegos.  Just honest evaluations of players who I don't think did much or have done much yet have got plenty of playing time.  So I'll go wash my glass house now.

No need to put "bash" in quotes, 'cause that's exactly what you do to hard-working,decent players who gave the Husker their all over multiple years.  And I guess they "didn't do much" other than cause us to win many games that we wouldn't have won without them. 

As I stated before, just cause you work really hard doesn't make you a good player.  I have given credit to many players especially those who were more skilled and people said they didn't work hard like CSH, Diaz, Bear, Jeter, Ubies, and others.  Honest evaulation of a player and what their role is and questioning why they play so many minutes is valid.  I never said they didn't work hard and weren't a fit for what they did.   And honestly, they haven't won many games over the years, let's be honest.  Not something to be proud of and hopefully we get the right players who will. 

Of all the stiffs we've had here in the past 12 years, you singling out those 2 guys just seems pretty strange, and over the top.  Way better players than you realize.  Who would you have played instead of Sek--all those studs we had on the bench?  Who would you play this year instead of Ray?  Seriously.  Questing his minutes this year when we can put in Menke instead is absurd.

Bear, McCray, Beranek, CSH....I wasn't singling them out just stating my point on what I thought of them as a player.  And I blame more the Coach and system for not playing the more talented players and holding players back.  That's why we have a new coach.  I have never bashed Rayes.  Unfortunately there isn't any options this year, but jacking up wild 3's off screens from running the baseline all night when you used to penetrate and elevate does no good.  Anyone could take the shots he does at any point in the shot clock.  I do like Menke as a ball handler.  I do like JT as a penetrator.  I think Rey needs to pull it back a little.  I don't see how giving an opinon on a player is over the top.  I assume you are also satified that the football team wins 9 games every year too and would never talk about a player being out played. 

You need to blame Miles then.  He is correctly instructing him to shoot.  Thank god you are not in charge of the offense if you don't think he should be shooting.