2015 SF Edward Morrow - Signed

[lanigan123]

What does that mean? Kendall Bussey the football commit gets offers every day. We aren't even hearing offers.

[TheKamdyMan]

What does that mean? Kendall Bussey the football commit gets offers every day. We aren't even hearing offers.

 

Since the school and coaches cannot report them who is the one reporting them?  Thats right the only other person that would know, the player.  Bussey is the one that tells the guys from Scout, 247, Rivals etc about new offers and they report it.  If Patton doesnt tell anyone the only people that would know are him and the coaches that offered.

[Swan88]

So . . . Kamdy's point in the preceding post illustrates a problem with the current system for us fans in evaluating a recruit's quality: the system is helpful but, at its essence, unreliable. For example:

1. At the core, the system helps us make predictions on who will develop into the best college players--predictions are frequently wrong.

2. There is no accountability for inaccurate information--a recruit can stretch the truth on which school made an offer, and the school rarely corrects the error.

3. The star raters seem to be largely-anonymous folks (just like us), and no one appears to know or talk about what personal biases or agenda those individuals might have.

4. Star rankings can, apparently, be based on limited observations of one or two games by a very few people.

5. The Patton situation brings a high level of confusion because he went from little-or-no D-1 recruiting interest and no stars whatever at the end of the State Tournament in March to a four-star and top-50 player in July--that's the equivalent of 0 to 60 in 1.25 seconds. Further, no one on this board can seem to find any summer-time video to see what all the fuss is about, and no one is publicly talking about all the recruiting inquiries that are undoubtedly coming in the door that he is, apparently, rejecting out of hand.

6. The Gilmore situation also causes confusion--a four-star-type player who is now, apparently, relegated to the bench or a redshirt season at CU? How does that happen?

[a0t0w0]

So . . . Kamdy's point in the preceding post illustrates a problem with the current system for us fans in evaluating a recruit's quality: the system is helpful but, at its essence, unreliable. For example:

1. At the core, the system helps us make predictions on who will develop into the best college players--predictions are frequently wrong.

2. There is no accountability for inaccurate information--a recruit can stretch the truth on which school made an offer, and the school rarely corrects the error.

3. The star raters seem to be largely-anonymous folks (just like us), and no one appears to know or talk about what personal biases or agenda those individuals might have.

4. Star rankings can, apparently, be based on limited observations of one or two games by a very few people.

5. The Patton situation brings a high level of confusion because he went from little-or-no D-1 recruiting interest and no stars whatever at the end of the State Tournament in March to a four-star and top-50 player in July--that's the equivalent of 0 to 60 in 1.25 seconds. Further, no one on this board can seem to find any summer-time video to see what all the fuss is about, and no one is publicly talking about all the recruiting inquiries that are undoubtedly coming in the door that he is, apparently, rejecting out of hand.

6. The Gilmore situation also causes confusion--a four-star-type player who is now, apparently, relegated to the bench or a redshirt season at CU? How does that happen?

 

First rule of Journalism...if you can make a story, there's a story.

 

Second rule of Journalism...if you can't make a story, make up a story.

 

Third rule of Journalism...  Sports is the easiest path (see Andrews, Erin)

[Norm Peterson]

So . . . Kamdy's point in the preceding post illustrates a problem with the current system for us fans in evaluating a recruit's quality: the system is helpful but, at its essence, unreliable. For example:

1. At the core, the system helps us make predictions on who will develop into the best college players--predictions are frequently wrong.

2. There is no accountability for inaccurate information--a recruit can stretch the truth on which school made an offer, and the school rarely corrects the error.

3. The star raters seem to be largely-anonymous folks (just like us), and no one appears to know or talk about what personal biases or agenda those individuals might have.

4. Star rankings can, apparently, be based on limited observations of one or two games by a very few people.

5. The Patton situation brings a high level of confusion because he went from little-or-no D-1 recruiting interest and no stars whatever at the end of the State Tournament in March to a four-star and top-50 player in July--that's the equivalent of 0 to 60 in 1.25 seconds. Further, no one on this board can seem to find any summer-time video to see what all the fuss is about, and no one is publicly talking about all the recruiting inquiries that are undoubtedly coming in the door that he is, apparently, rejecting out of hand.

6. The Gilmore situation also causes confusion--a four-star-type player who is now, apparently, relegated to the bench or a redshirt season at CU? How does that happen?

Swan, there are some inherent limitations to the ratings systems.  You forgot to mention that the sheer volume of players makes it virtually impossible to make reliable comparisons.  HOWEVER ...

 

It is the best system we have and there is really no way around those limitations, so you either accept star rankings with a bit of a grain of salt or you really don't have any notion who's good and who isn't.  Besides, the Rivals rankings of the top 25 tend to accurately reflect who will be going pro down the road (not 100% but a fairly reliable prognostication.)

 

And I think Rivals people have a better idea who's offered than just going by what a recruit has told them.  Assistant coaches talk; these guys find out.

[lang]

Here's is what lang is trying to figure out....Morrow plays against crazy good competition and does very well and has for quite some time now.   Patton has done some good things just this summer ( totally Johnny come lately ) and he is rated higher than Ed ?  I don't follow recruiting closely, but this alone seems out of whack.

[Norm Peterson]

Patton has some measurables that Morrow lacks: Tallness.

 

Morrow's main gift is intangible:  Heart.

 

You can't measure Morrow's heart the way you can measure Patton's frame.  Recruiting services like to go with what they can measure:  40 times; vertical jumps; height and weight.  Stuff like that.

 

If Morrow plays like his highlight videos, though, I'll take him any day.

[OurDecay]

Agree completely. In a related note, if measurables was a big part of rankings you would think Baptiste would be a Rivals150 player even as raw as he is. Is Patton a lot more polished than he is?

[Norm Peterson]

One video I saw of Patton leads me to believe he's a gifted shooter.  He can face up from 15-18 feet and stroke the ball reliably.  Don't know if he has 3 pt range but he can hit fairly respectably from just inside the arc.  I have no idea what his athleticism is like or whether he has a polished inside game.  I suspect he's been working on those elements just like his shooting.  I'm guessing he's showing some polish and apparently has produced against competition during AAU games this summer.

 

The problem with Baptiste is just rawness.  I don't know how long he's been playing organized basketball but it can't be very long.  From game video I've seen of Baptiste, he just doesn't have a court awareness yet.  But the nice thing is that there's a steep learning curve and he'll get better pretty rapidly.  You can coach a kid on how to play the game; you cannot coach a kid to be 7 feet tall, 250#, built like a linebacker and athletic as all get out.

 

While Patton currently has a clear edge in terms of skill, he will NEVER have Baptiste's athleticism.  EVER.  Baptiste, on the other hand, can improve his game.  (And, really, all he needs to learn is to rebound, guard the low post, and how to shoot free throws.)

 

Comparing Patton to Baptiste reminds me of the old story about Winston Churchill at a cocktail party when a woman he didn't like came up and told him, "Winston, you're drunk!"  And he said, "Yes, my dear, and you are ugly.  But tomorrow, I shall be sober."

[lanigan123]

It is so arbitrary, and based on projected ability at the next level. They take in to account everything including scholarship offers.

For example Ed right now is way better than where ESPN ranks him compared to other pf's, however, the projection of where he can be at the next level depresses his value in ranking him among like players. It's the same argument about RB's like Calvin Strong at Nebraska.

[TheKamdyMan]

It is so arbitrary, and based on projected ability at the next level. They take in to account everything including scholarship offers.

For example Ed right now is way better than where ESPN ranks him compared to other pf's, however, the projection of where he can be at the next level depresses his value in ranking him among like players. It's the same argument about RB's like Calvin Strong at Nebraska.

 

I cant say comparing a guy that has ranked D1 schools coveting him to a guy that committed to a FCS school is an equal comparison.  Both may be undersized for the next level but ones clearly still getting a ton of attention while the other, not so much.

[lanigan123]

Once he passes his ACT he will be at an FBS school(was told this by a coach). He also had some off field issues. You most certainly can compare production, remember offers is only a small part if the equation. He did run for 3k in one season.

The comparison is based on that. At the college level most guy with Ed's height play the small forward, yes I know you can be a 6 7 PF and I think Ed will be a good one but that is what I believe keeps him from being ranked higher. Again it's based on projection.

[TheKamdyMan]

Once he passes his ACT he will be at an FBS school(was told this by a coach). He also had some off field issues. You most certainly can compare production, remember offers is only a small part if the equation. He did run for 3k in one season.

The comparison is based on that. At the college level most guy with Ed's height play the small forward, yes I know you can be a 6 7 PF and I think Ed will be a good one but that is what I believe keeps him from being ranked higher. Again it's based on projection.

 

How many players a year sign with schools only to not be academically eligible due to grades or test scores.  I mean look at Nebraska alone for guys like Charles Jackson, Braylon Heard, Larenzo Stewart, Dimarya Mixon etc.  The whole he needs to get his grades in order is just a farce because if the kid is good enough he will get offers and teams will hold out for him.  I mean people are saying Patton has academic work to get done but he has an offer from at least one D1 school that we know of.

[lang]

Norm, pretty sure I read the other day that D'Jery has only played ball for 4 years.

[HuskerCager]

Some observations from an Illinois paper this weekend about the Husker's recruiting activity in Illiniois

 

http://lincolnshire.suntimes.com/2014/09/05/henricksen-stevensons-jalen-brunson-heads-villanova/

[ShortDust]

[TheKamdyMan]

I think Morrow ends up being a SF in college the more I watch him.  I know we keep talking about PF but I think he just looks perfect as a 3 man assuming he can develop a mid range game and hopefully some long range ability.  Jacobson plays more of a true 4 and think they'd be a great combo of stretch players that would compliment each other well.

[lanigan123]

Anything is possible need to see more of his midrange game.

[OurDecay]

I think Morrow ends up being a SF in college the more I watch him.  I know we keep talking about PF but I think he just looks perfect as a 3 man assuming he can develop a mid range game and hopefully some long range ability.  Jacobson plays more of a true 4 and think they'd be a great combo of stretch players that would compliment each other well.

Interesting thought.  Personally when I watch him I see a guy that is comfortable and very active in the low post, on both ends of the court.  I think that's the strength of his game.  I also recall articles from a year or so ago that suggest he's probably not even done growing.  I think he plays big enough to be a better than average player inside in the Big Ten.  I like the idea of him adding aspects to his offensive game, but I also want to keep him where he appears most comfortable and effective.

[Norm Peterson]

Can you imagine him playing the 4 instead of David Rivers?  Remember what Miles wanted of Rivers and why he wasn't playing last winter?  Lack of production in the rebounding department, right?  Then David fixed the problem and starting see a lot more minutes.  Insert Ed Morrow in there in place of Rivers and we don't have to worry about him holding down his end of the deal.

[lanigan123]

He is a thicker kid and will likely fill out to the 4. He drives the ball really well like a 3, it really shows on the new mix tape.

[OurDecay]

Was just looking up his numbers from that Nike Global Challenge:

 

MPG: 18.0

PPG: 7.5

RPG: 3.8 (15 reb; 7 off/8 def)

APG: 0.5

TOPG: 1.5

SPG: 0.8

BLKPG: 0.5

PFPG: 2.5

FG%: 48.0% (12-25)

FT%: 50.0% (6-12)

[TheKamdyMan]

He is a thicker kid and will likely fill out to the 4. He drives the ball really well like a 3, it really shows on the new mix tape.

 

And that driving ability is why I think he projects more likely to playing at the 3, at least to start when he gets to college.  He has a great face to the basket game.  

[lanigan123]

If he can develop the jumper off that he will play the 3. Weight wise though he's already bigger ham Shavon or David's, he's a "sturdy" kid

[TheKamdyMan]

If he can develop the jumper off that he will play the 3. Weight wise though he's already bigger ham Shavon or David's, he's a "sturdy" kid

 

Which would only make him more deadly playing the 3 if he can be a defensive stalwart and be bigger than the other 3's he plays against. It'd help him tremendously on both ends.