MINNESOTA GAME DAY THREAD

[HB]

57 minutes ago, Cazzie22 said:

 

 

We need a player who can drive to the rim and finish.

Have to recruit those….and we don’t

[HB]

55 minutes ago, Red Don said:

 

I hope Allison Weidner can return to form!!!

That excuse is getting tired.   This is women’s basketball.  Virtually every team loses a significant player for the season, most years.   They all could play the same card.   She’s a nice player but not all-conference.  Recruit some depth and move on.

 

[Huskerfanzzz]

I agree with everyone. Not prepared, lazy defense and rebounding, too many unnecessary threes being launched, crazy subbing, horrible calls, inconsistency (that I partially blame on the revolving door subbing). 

[12dozen]

+/-

 

https://storage.googleapis.com/huskers-com-prod/2024/01/14/OJB1PvTzXUtj1kSocgXLwqYwJtrwWEznUipjwikn.pdf

 

[Tom Jones]

2 hours ago, hskr4life said:

That was umm.. not a charge.  Both because there was no legal guarding position established and she was in the circle.

If "in the circle" means the restricted area ... it doesn't matter anymore.  As of this season it is irrelevant. 

[All About the Corn]

As was mentioned earlier in this thread, are contenders or pretenders. With a game like this that picture is becoming a bit more clear.

[AuroranHusker]

 

[hskr4life]

1 hour ago, Tom Jones said:

If "in the circle" means the restricted area ... it doesn't matter anymore.  As of this season it is irrelevant. 

“The rule change also states that a secondary defender would have to be outside the restricted area arc to legally draw a charge. “

 

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/ncaa-approves-change-to-determining-block-or-charge-calls-and-other-rule-modifications-for-upcoming-season/amp/

 

Are men and women different?

[redsteve]

Markowski's  charge:

 

AGREE

It's a block, and is a foul on the defender. That kind of play where the defender undercuts a player in the air (at the last split second of the shot at the basket) is getting into the area where the shooter can be injured. 

 

B1G should look at that. If nothing else to make refs aware of how to call an incident like that. 

 

And...It hurt us in an important part of the game.

 

 

Edited January 15 by redsteve

[colhusker]

Can't rely on someone all day that is 6-18.  Alexis shooting like that and Jaz being 4-13 will make for a long day.

[Redhac]

Another SOS game.  Only 9 points in second quarter!!!  Shooting only 34%.  No significant drives to the basket.  A bunch of huck up 3's.  Krull plays 27 minutes and does not score a point.  Moriarty plays 12 minutes and does not score.  Stewart plays 4 minutes and needs to be put on a milk carton.  Geez!   NIT team at best!

[All About the Corn]

Krull, and Moriarty are really in more for there defense than offense. Any points we get from them is a bonus. Stewart just does not seem right. Wonder if she has completely recovered from her ankle, and she has also been seem with a wrap on one of her thighs. 

[Huskerfanzzz]

1 hour ago, All About the Corn said:

Krull, and Moriarty are really in more for there defense than offense. Any points we get from them is a bonus. Stewart just does not seem right. Wonder if she has completely recovered from her ankle, and she has also been seem with a wrap on one of her thighs. 

It doesn’t make any sense to me to have them in for defense if we aren’t going to get any offensive production from them. There are other players who are just as good, or better defenders, and who would probably be able to give us a little bit of offense as well. I could see if we were talking about a defensive specialist, but neither of those players are that. Who knows what the answer is, but what we are doing now definitely isn’t working. 

[12dozen]

1 hour ago, Redhac said:

Another SOS game.  Only 9 points in second quarter!!!  Shooting only 34%.  No significant drives to the basket.  A bunch of huck up 3's.  Krull plays 27 minutes and does not score a point.  Moriarty plays 12 minutes and does not score.  Stewart plays 4 minutes and needs to be put on a milk carton.  Geez!   NIT team at best!

Yet, looking at the +/- boxscore, Krull had the best + score on the team. Moriarty also had an excellent + score.  We did well when they were on the floor. Defense matters too.  What I wouldn't give for another Nicea Eliely or Hailie Sample.

[longtimefan]

The +/- boxscore statistics shows me that using that statistic is useless. Krull and Moriarty are basically useless on offense.  With them on the floor we are playing 3 against 5.  

[HUD]

41 minutes ago, longtimefan said:

The +/- boxscore statistics shows me that using that statistic is useless. Krull and Moriarty are basically useless on offense.  With them on the floor we are playing 3 against 5.  

To prove your point you just have to look at their year long individual player efficiencies.  Not good for  3rd and 4th year players.  Krull  4    Moriarity 2.   Our 4 other starters range from 10 to 19.

[12dozen]

2 hours ago, longtimefan said:

The +/- boxscore statistics shows me that using that statistic is useless. Krull and Moriarty are basically useless on offense.  With them on the floor we are playing 3 against 5.  

Yet, we outscored Minnesota when they were on the floor.  How do you explain that?

[12dozen]

1 hour ago, HUD said:

To prove your point you just have to look at their year long individual player efficiencies.  Not good for  3rd and 4th year players.  Krull  4    Moriarity 2.   Our 4 other starters range from 10 to 19.

You yourself said efficiency stats were offense leaning.  Also, what does a seasonal average have to do with this game? What did they score this game?  What did the other starters score this game?  

Edited January 15 by 12dozen

[HUD]

10 minutes ago, 12dozen said:

You yourself said efficiency stats were offense leaning.  Also, what does a seasonal average have to do with this game? What did they score this game?  What did the other starters score this game?  

I'm only saying that when you use statistics to look at some ones overall contributions a larger sampling size is better. They have not been contributing much on offense all season and this game is just another example.

[All About the Corn]

Amy is the type of coach that likes to hang her hat on defense. She has said so a few times. I can think of a couple of players where she said once their defense improves they will have more time on the court. IMHO it can come back to bite you. I know we have some players who are better on the offensive end, thinking Hake, or Nissley. I would rather see them spend more time on the court, knowing their defense can be lacking at times but the plus side they can score. Both are hitting plus 40% from three. When we look to go into the paint then we tend to do better from the 3 point line. We need both Potts and Alexis to be active in the paint as well as Jaz and Darrin. We really need to work on getting Potts more touches. Seems like she works hard to get good position in the paint and we do not look to get her the ball. Potts does a lot of her damage on the boards and second chance points. Which is great but I think it could be more from her. Again, just me two cents. 

[12dozen]

1 minute ago, HUD said:

I'm only saying that when you use statistics to look at some ones overall contributions a larger sampling size is better. They have not been contributing much on offense all season and this game is just another example.

If the stats are flawed for not giving defensive contributions fair weight, how is a larger sample better? 

 

Is anyone questioning Amy for starting and playing Krull so many minutes?  Someone should point out her efficiency ratings (sarcasm, sorry).  Like any stats, +/-,  efficiency, or a basic boxscore,  they don't tell the entire story.

 

By the way, I do enjoy your opinions.  Replies are thought out, civil, and not aggressive like some on this site.  

[redsteve]

Agree with a lot you both have said about the efficiency stats. In some cases it makes some sense, 

in others not at all... to me anyway. Maybe I just haven't taken enough time to examine the process of developing 'efficiency stats'

 

For my own ways of looking all the usual stat sheet, (and watching the game itself), I still just don't see a huge correlation to a players value to the team/game, or indication of value for efficiency stats. Maybe just to old school ?

 

Defense or offense players selection:

In basketball anyway, always thought you play your best 5 offensively, and then teach them to be defenders too, if they're not already. Sure there are exceptions in special cases. 

 

In a nut shell.....have a starter that isn't able to score proficiently, then give another productive offensive player a chance, and tell them/teach them, what you want from them (offensively and defensively)

 

Minn was a good example of that, at least that in their case developing defenders in about everyone, and have a few that are your scorers. (I thought their coaches did a good job of using each players skills ....effectively

 

Enough diatribe...on to the next one

 

 

Edited January 15 by redsteve

[caveman]

By my estimation, this loss really puts our back against the wall, so the noticeable angst on the board is to be expected.  Here's how I see it.  We need now to win 9 of the next 12.  That or hope for a nice run in the Big 10 tourney.  Short that we will probably be outside looking in.

Considering the fact we play Iowa twice, that really means throwing out those 2 games out and going 9 of our next 10.  Time to back our team all the more and hope they figure out both a sense of urgency and their shooting woes.