KenPom 2022-2023 KenPom Rankings Thread

[OmahaHusker]

23 hours ago, doc1394 said:

Let’s do a blind resume:

 

Team A: 9-7 and 2-3 in 3rd ranked conference. 4th highest SOS in the country and a win on the road over Team B.

 

Team B: 9-7 and 3-2 in 4th ranked conference. 5th highest SOS in the country and a loss at home against Team A.

 

Team A is #85 and Team B is #17. I don’t know anything about KenPom but it seems like we are far enough through the season that pre-season expectations or prior results shouldn’t be weighing this heavily. At this point you kind of are who you are. 
 

Also, F team B. 

 

It's "Team B's" non-con SOS. Ours was really bad and there's was really good. I think we should be higher in kenpom ranking too, but that's the reason why. 

Edited January 9, 2023 by OmahaHusker

[hhcmatt]

On 1/8/2023 at 9:32 AM, doc1394 said:

Let’s do a blind resume:

 

Team A: 9-7 and 2-3 in 3rd ranked conference. 4th highest SOS in the country and a win on the road over Team B.

 

Team B: 9-7 and 3-2 in 4th ranked conference. 5th highest SOS in the country and a loss at home against Team A.

 

Team A is #85 and Team B is #17. I don’t know anything about KenPom but it seems like we are far enough through the season that pre-season expectations or prior results shouldn’t be weighing this heavily. At this point you kind of are who you are. 
 

Also, F team B. 

 

Wins, loses, and conference rankings don't mean anything in these calculations

[hhcmatt]

1 hour ago, OmahaHusker said:

 

It's "Team B's" non-con SOS. Ours was really bad and there's was really good. I think we should be higher in kenpom ranking too, but that's the reason why. 

 

Our non-con SOS wasn't "really bad". It currently stands at 96th.

[OmahaHusker]

11 minutes ago, hhcmatt said:

 

Our non-con SOS wasn't "really bad". It currently stands at 96th.

 

Ok just "bad" then. It's 120th if you go by RPI. 

[hskr4life]

11 minutes ago, hhcmatt said:

 

Our non-con SOS wasn't "really bad". It currently stands at 96th.

 

The tanking of Creighton (3-4 since we've played them) and the Johnnies isn't really helping.  Combine that with the fact that PBluff, Maine, and our cupcakes aren't doing all that great either.  We are where we probably should be.  However, it was tougher than our ranking shows I think.

[hhcmatt]

16 minutes ago, OmahaHusker said:

 

Ok just "bad" then. It's 120th if you go by RPI. 

 

That's above average for a Power 5 school. I suspect that only Michigan St might have a tougher record in our conference.

[49r]

3 hours ago, hhcmatt said:

 

That's above average for a Power 5 school. I suspect that only Michigan St might have a tougher record in our conference.

 

 

 

And it ain't particularly close, either.

 

For Reference:

 

 

ILLINOIS

Strength of Schedule
Components:	102.9 153	100.1 56	102.3
Overall:	+2.89 95		0.00
Non-conference:	-4.29 300		0.00

 

INDIANA

Strength of Schedule
Components:	103.9 92	101.8 142	102.3
Overall:	+2.18 110		0.00
Non-conference:	-4.67 309		0.00

 

IOWA

Strength of Schedule
Components:	104.1 84	98.3 14	102.3
Overall:	+5.79 26		0.00
Non-conference:	-0.53 194		0.00

 

MARYLAND

Strength of Schedule
Components:	105.2 31	99.7 47	102.3
Overall:	+5.49 30		0.00
Non-conference:	-2.15 253		0.00

 

MICHIGAN

Strength of Schedule
Components:	104.8 46	100.5 72	102.3
Overall:	+4.35 54		0.00
Non-conference:	+1.50 130		0.00

 

MICHIGAN STATE

Strength of Schedule
Components:	106.6 9	99.9 51	102.3
Overall:	+6.66 17		0.00
Non-conference:	+5.12 45		0.00

 

MINNESOTA

Strength of Schedule
Components:	101.5 252	101.1 105	102.3
Overall:	+0.32 171		0.00
Non-conference:	-6.33 336		0.00

 

NEBRASKA

Strength of Schedule
Components:	106.8 5	99.4 34	102.3
Overall:	+7.47 12		0.00
Non-conference:	+2.70 96		0.00

 

NORTHWESTERN

Strength of Schedule
Components:	103.2 135	101.2 106	102.3
Overall:	+1.99 115		0.00
Non-conference:	-4.01 297		0.00

 

OHIO STATE

Strength of Schedule
Components:	104.4 70	99.4 35	102.3
Overall:	+5.02 37		0.00
Non-conference:	-2.40 259		0.00

 

PENN STATE

Strength of Schedule
Components:	105.1 35	101.3 115	102.3
Overall:	+3.80 72		0.00
Non-conference:	-3.29 277		0.00

 

PURDUE

Strength of Schedule
Components:	105.6 20	100.2 62	102.3
Overall:	+5.49 29		0.00
Non-conference:	+1.45 132		0.00

 

RUTGERS

Strength of Schedule
Components:	104.2 80	102.8 211	102.3
Overall:	+1.32 135		0.00
Non-conference:	-6.59 341		0.00

 

WISCONSIN

Strength of Schedule
Components:	105.8 17	100.8 92	102.3
Overall:	+4.97 39		0.00
Non-conference:	+1.36 136		0.00

 

 

 

Last, and also least:

 

 

CREIGHTON

Strength of Schedule
Components:	106.3 10	97.6 9	102.3
Overall:	+8.72 7		0.00
Non-conference:	+6.71 22		0.00

 

[busticket]

I wanted us to have a weak non con this year just to get some easy wins/ confidence for our guys.  They did pretty well all things considered. 

[OmahaHusker]

8 hours ago, 49r said:

 

 

 

And it ain't particularly close, either.

 

For Reference:

 

 

ILLINOIS

Strength of Schedule
Components:	102.9 153	100.1 56	102.3
Overall:	+2.89 95		0.00
Non-conference:	-4.29 300		0.00

 

INDIANA

Strength of Schedule
Components:	103.9 92	101.8 142	102.3
Overall:	+2.18 110		0.00
Non-conference:	-4.67 309		0.00

 

IOWA

Strength of Schedule
Components:	104.1 84	98.3 14	102.3
Overall:	+5.79 26		0.00
Non-conference:	-0.53 194		0.00

 

MARYLAND

Strength of Schedule
Components:	105.2 31	99.7 47	102.3
Overall:	+5.49 30		0.00
Non-conference:	-2.15 253		0.00

 

MICHIGAN

Strength of Schedule
Components:	104.8 46	100.5 72	102.3
Overall:	+4.35 54		0.00
Non-conference:	+1.50 130		0.00

 

MICHIGAN STATE

Strength of Schedule
Components:	106.6 9	99.9 51	102.3
Overall:	+6.66 17		0.00
Non-conference:	+5.12 45		0.00

 

MINNESOTA

Strength of Schedule
Components:	101.5 252	101.1 105	102.3
Overall:	+0.32 171		0.00
Non-conference:	-6.33 336		0.00

 

NEBRASKA

Strength of Schedule
Components:	106.8 5	99.4 34	102.3
Overall:	+7.47 12		0.00
Non-conference:	+2.70 96		0.00

 

NORTHWESTERN

Strength of Schedule
Components:	103.2 135	101.2 106	102.3
Overall:	+1.99 115		0.00
Non-conference:	-4.01 297		0.00

 

OHIO STATE

Strength of Schedule
Components:	104.4 70	99.4 35	102.3
Overall:	+5.02 37		0.00
Non-conference:	-2.40 259		0.00

 

PENN STATE

Strength of Schedule
Components:	105.1 35	101.3 115	102.3
Overall:	+3.80 72		0.00
Non-conference:	-3.29 277		0.00

 

PURDUE

Strength of Schedule
Components:	105.6 20	100.2 62	102.3
Overall:	+5.49 29		0.00
Non-conference:	+1.45 132		0.00

 

RUTGERS

Strength of Schedule
Components:	104.2 80	102.8 211	102.3
Overall:	+1.32 135		0.00
Non-conference:	-6.59 341		0.00

 

WISCONSIN

Strength of Schedule
Components:	105.8 17	100.8 92	102.3
Overall:	+4.97 39		0.00
Non-conference:	+1.36 136		0.00

 

 

 

Last, and also least:

 

 

CREIGHTON

Strength of Schedule
Components:	106.3 10	97.6 9	102.3
Overall:	+8.72 7		0.00
Non-conference:	+6.71 22		0.00

 

Thanks for doing this. Actually pretty interesting. Always just figured it was because of the weaker non con. It’s gotta be some other reason cuz the computers hate this team. It’d take quite a bit to even get to “bubble” territory right now in terms of NET/Kenpom ranks.

Edited January 10, 2023 by OmahaHusker

[hhcmatt]

55 minutes ago, OmahaHusker said:

Thanks for doing this. Actually pretty interesting. Always just figured it was because of the weaker non con. It’s gotta be some other reason cuz the computers hate this team. It’d take quite a bit to even get to “bubble” territory right now in terms of NET/Kenpom ranks.

 

One thing to note is that KenPom does carry some weight from the previous year in its ratings until approximately January 23rd.  Given how poorly Nebraska's season went last year relative to this year, it's probably dragging it a tad.

https://kenpom.com/blog/what-happens-to-preseason-ratings-when-its-not-preseason-anymore/

https://kenpom.com/blog/preseason-ratings-why-weight/

 

Otherwise, this entire system is an algorithm; simplistically it's a model that takes an offensive number minus a defensive number and ranks 363 teams.  Nebraska is rated where it is specifically because our offensive efficiency numbers lack enough to pull us up higher.  Wins and loses truly don't matter...we'd probably rank exactly the same had we lost to Minnesota by 1.

 

[49r]

7 hours ago, hhcmatt said:

 

One thing to note is that KenPom does carry some weight from the previous year in its ratings until approximately January 23rd.  Given how poorly Nebraska's season went last year relative to this year, it's probably dragging it a tad.

https://kenpom.com/blog/what-happens-to-preseason-ratings-when-its-not-preseason-anymore/

https://kenpom.com/blog/preseason-ratings-why-weight/

 

Otherwise, this entire system is an algorithm; simplistically it's a model that takes an offensive number minus a defensive number and ranks 363 teams.  Nebraska is rated where it is specifically because our offensive efficiency numbers lack enough to pull us up higher.  Wins and loses truly don't matter...we'd probably rank exactly the same had we lost to Minnesota by 1.

 

 

What I'm not quite sure of, and I can't find anything on the KenPom site to confirm, is I wonder if our raw rank plays a factor into the strength of schedule calculation.

 

In other words, Ohio State and Purdue for example have played just as many if not more top level opponents in their non-con as us but because they're ranked higher in KP, does that mean their SOS ranking is lower than ours as a function of their relatively higher raw ranking?  I don't know, but if it does that makes Michigan State's non-con that much more impressive.  Creighton's even more so.

[hskr4life]

9 hours ago, OmahaHusker said:

It’d take quite a bit to even get to “bubble” territory right now in terms of NET/Kenpom ranks.

 

My guess is 8 wins to be on bubble outside looking in.... 17-14

 

9 wins bubble inside looking out.... 18-13

[hskr4life]

Dropped 10 spots in the NET to 92.

 

Just 2-8 in Q1 and Q2 games.  That doesn't bode well for a team who has 13/14 games left against Q1 and Q2 opponents.

[OmahaHusker]

The point seems kind of moot right now, but DeCourcy explained why we weren't in any bracket consideration before the game yesterday. 

 

https://twitter.com/tsnmike/status/1612903493005615104?s=20&t=Ra9S53M1vRLniGu0lqANMA

 

 

Edited January 11, 2023 by OmahaHusker

[hskr4life]

With IU's win over Illinois here soon... the B1G standings are...

 

1. Purdue 7-1

 

Everyone Else is between 5-3 and 3-5

 

13. OSU 2-5

14. Minny 1-6

[HuskerFever]

8 hours ago, hskr4life said:

With IU's win over Illinois here soon... the B1G standings are...

 

1. Purdue 7-1

 

Everyone Else is between 5-3 and 3-5

 

13. OSU 2-5

14. Minny 1-6

 

During the Michigan State / Rutgers broadcast they had a graphic up that showed the "Top 10 Big Ten Standings" and, yet again, we couldn't escape being at the very bottom of the standings on that graphic 

[millerhusker]

8 hours ago, hskr4life said:

With IU's win over Illinois here soon... the B1G standings are...

 

1. Purdue 7-1

 

Everyone Else is between 5-3 and 3-5

 

13. OSU 2-5

14. Minny 1-6

With as jumbled as the standings will be from here on out, that missed opportunity against Purdue will continue to haunt us. 

[hskr4life]

1 hour ago, millerhusker said:

With as jumbled as the standings will be from here on out, that missed opportunity against Purdue will continue to haunt us. 

We are a missed opportunity and not laying an egg to Illinois away from being in 2nd behind Purdue.

[49r]

2 hours ago, HuskerFever said:

 

During the Michigan State / Rutgers broadcast they had a graphic up that showed the "Top 10 Big Ten Standings" and, yet again, we couldn't escape being at the very bottom of the standings on that graphic 

 

it's an improvement.  Most times we aren't even on that graphic

[hskr4life]

Raise your hand if you had FSU having the same number of ACC wins at this point in time as Duke.

[Norm Peterson]

Washington St from the Pac 12 is 9-11 and ranked #68 in Kenpom. 

 

Someone wanna explain that one to me?

[hskr4life]

17 minutes ago, Norm Peterson said:

Washington St from the Pac 12 is 9-11 and ranked #68 in Kenpom. 

 

Someone wanna explain that one to me?

It’s the name on the front… at least, that’s what I’ve heard.

[Norm Peterson]

Here's another interesting little Kenpom tidbit: Temple vaulted all the way from I have no idea where to #113 after knocking off #1 Houston. On the road. #1 Houston. On the road.

 

Temple (at #113 in Kenpom) also has wins against Rutgers and Villanova back when Villanova was top 20.

 

But then they lost to Wagner,  Maryland Eastern Shore and Penn.

 

I mean, how do you do that? How do you beat the good teams and lose to the bad ones more than maybe once in a season? I could give you once. I could see Nebraska dropping a game to Maryland Baltimore County the same year we knock off a ranked Texas team. But those are aberrations. Outliers. I could see it happening once.

 

But twice? Even three times?

[49r]

Temple was #130 before the Houston game.  They started the season in the 90's.  Really they're gravitating back to their original ranking.  Movement - up or down - in KenPom is pretty hard without going on long winning or losing streaks.

 

2023 Schedule 

Game Plan | Opponent Tracker

Date	Rk	Opponent		Result			Location	Record	Conf
Mon Nov 7	92	275	Wagner	L, 76-73	71	OT	Home	0-1
Fri Nov 11	109	72	Villanova	W, 68-64	65		Home	1-1
Tue Nov 15	96	84	Vanderbilt	L, 89-87	73	OT	Home	1-2
Fri Nov 18	101	21	Rutgers	W, 72-66	73		Neutral	2-2
Mon Nov 21	89	66	St. John's	L, 78-72	77		Neutral	2-3
Tue Nov 22	91	119	Richmond	L, 61-49	60		Neutral	2-4
Sun Nov 27	99	174	Drexel	W, 73-61	61		Home	3-4
Wed Nov 30	98	257	La Salle	W, 67-51	67		Neutral	4-4
Sat Dec 3	98	79	VCU	W, 83-73	70		Home	5-4
Tue Dec 6	92	201	Saint Joseph's	W, 70-60	68		Home	6-4
Sat Dec 10	92	164	Penn	L, 77-57	60		Away	6-5
Sat Dec 17	112	87	Mississippi	L, 63-55	65		Away	6-6
Tue Dec 20	110	279	Maryland Eastern Shore	L, 86-78	72		Home	6-7
Wed Dec 28	134	208	East Carolina	W, 59-57	70		Away	7-7	1-0
Sun Jan 1	133	71	Cincinnati	W, 70-61	65		Home	8-7	2-0
Wed Jan 4	127	139	South Florida	W, 68-64	72		Away	9-7	3-0
Sat Jan 7	127	90	Tulane	L, 87-76	70		Home	9-8	3-1
Tue Jan 10	136	239	Tulsa	W, 76-72	70		Away	10-8	4-1
Sun Jan 15	136	32	Memphis	L, 61-59	68		Home	10-9	4-2
Wed Jan 18	132	208	East Carolina	W, 73-58	67		Home	11-9	5-2
Sun Jan 22	130	1	Houston	W, 56-55	62		Away	12-9	6-2

[hskr4life]

Tim and Fred both knocked off a bubble team today!  Wonder where both will be ranked tomorrow.

 

Tim did have a bad bad loss earlier this week, but beating Utah State is dang impressive.