Coaches that you think should be on Nebraska's list, if this trend continues

[hskr4life]

Actually-- I'm told the big indicator is whether you finish in the bottom 4 or not so 13th checks that box.

Edited January 16, 2023 by hskr4life

[AuroranHusker]

7 hours ago, huskercappy said:

13th You're kidding me. Right!

 

Straight facts only: It wasn't "last."

 

 

[Norm Peterson]

17 hours ago, hskr4life said:

Actually-- I'm told the big indicator is whether you finish in the bottom 4 or not so 13th checks that box.

 

Bottom 4 5 out of 7 years. So I guess that means we have to give him another year to get to five years of bottom-four finishes.

[49r]

Real question is if he leaves the program in better shape than he found it...

[Norm Peterson]

54 minutes ago, 49r said:

Real question is if he leaves the program in better shape than he found it...

 

By the associative property of @Craytonhater, Barry Collier would be the best coach we've had this century.

 

'00 Nee 11-19 (4-12)

'06 Collier 19-14 (7-9) NIT

'12 Sadler 12-18 (4-14)

'19 Miles 19-17 (6-14) NIT (but worse than Sadler)

'23 Hoiberg X-X (X-X)

[uneblinstu]

On 1/13/2023 at 11:38 AM, Norm Peterson said:

Given what @HB said today about Hoiberg and his ticker, it may be time to bump this thread.

What thread are these comments in?

[hhcmatt]

While we all know that Fred has a heart condition I've heard buzz that he's going to retire because of it for long enough it brings to mind Michael Corleone quipping that "Hyman Roth has been dying of the same heart attack for the last 20 years" in Godfather II. 

 

[Norm Peterson]

1 hour ago, uneblinstu said:

What thread are these comments in?

 

 

[Craytonhater]

3 hours ago, Norm Peterson said:

 

By the associative property of @Craytonhater, Barry Collier would be the best coach we've had this century.

 

'00 Nee 11-19 (4-12)

'06 Collier 19-14 (7-9) NIT

'12 Sadler 12-18 (4-14)

'19 Miles 19-17 (6-14) NIT (but worse than Sadler)

'23 Hoiberg X-X (X-X)

Ok funny guy.  It's ok to accept these coaches outside of Nee for many years were overall failures. And that could be debated since he never got over the hump. Not one of them have had any success in the tourny and none of them elevated the program on a consistant basis, you could argue Nee. Dany Nee is to Nebrasketball as Bo Pelini is to FB at their current times.  Seriously this is one of the worst bball teams in history especially the support and money.  There has been joy at times but way more heartbreak and disappointment on a consistant basis.

[Norm Peterson]

15 minutes ago, Craytonhater said:

Ok funny guy.  It's ok to accept these coaches outside of Nee for many years were overall failures. And that could be debated since he never got over the hump. Not one of them have had any success in the tourny and none of them elevated the program on a consistant basis, you could argue Nee. Dany Nee is to Nebrasketball as Bo Pelini is to FB at their current times.  Seriously this is one of the worst bball teams in history especially the support and money.  There has been joy at times but way more heartbreak and disappointment on a consistant basis.

 

Not trying to be funny; just following your logic. If Tim Miles left the program worse than he inherited it, then the only coach to leave the program in BETTER condition than when he got there would have had to be Barry Collier. Look at his record his last season. He made the NIT. How can you argue it wasn't Barry?

[Craytonhater]

4 minutes ago, Norm Peterson said:

 

Not trying to be funny; just following your logic. If Tim Miles left the program worse than he inherited it, then the only coach to leave the program in BETTER condition than when he got there would have had to be Barry Collier. Look at his record his last season. He made the NIT. How can you argue it wasn't Barry?

Lots of factors go into that then a w/l record.  Miles next year, if he got one, was trending to be .500 or below.  I'm sorry you think Miles is the greatest coach ever and 7 years wasnt enough time to prove you can do more then finish in the bottom 4 consistantly.  I have higher expectations and believe a good coach and good hire should be better then .500 after 7 seasons.  We'll just agree to disagree.

[uneblinstu]

34 minutes ago, Norm Peterson said:

 

Thx. Frankly, I'll believe it when I see it, though I could see an argument that would be the best case scenario for all parties involved.

 

If we're looking at serious candidates if that were to happen, *my* first two calls would be to Craig Smith and Darian Devries. Both might hang up the phone, but then again, they might not. If not them, I'd love to see the basketball team break the color barrier at NU. 

 

WRT to the condition Miles left the program in, there's a definite argument to be made that the program was in a bad spot. I'm of the opinion that has more to do with the athletic directors than it did Miles but I won't go into all that here. Miles was able to do things (NCAA Tournament appearance and most conf wins in a season) here that nobody else was able to do this century. That should have counted for more than it did, IMO.

Edited January 17, 2023 by uneblinstu

[49r]

24 minutes ago, uneblinstu said:

Thx. Frankly, I'll believe it when I see it, though I could see an argument that would be the best case scenario for all parties involved.

 

If we're looking at serious candidates if that were to happen, *my* first two calls would be to Craig Smith and Darian Devries. Both might hang up the phone, but then again, they might not. If not them, I'd love to see the basketball team break the color barrier at NU. 

 

WRT to the condition Miles left the program in, there's a definite argument to be made that the program was in a bad spot. I'm of the opinion that has more to do with the athletic directors than it did Miles but I won't go into all that here. Miles was able to do things (NCAA Tournament appearance and most conf wins in a season) here that nobody else was able to do this century. That should have counted for more than it did, IMO.

 

I'm not sure DeVries would be able to hang up the phone, he would be on the floor convulsing in laughter at the mere thought that Trev had the temerity to even attempt to dial his number.

 

Yeah.  DeVries would absolutely not be an option for us...ever.

 

Craig might actually seriously listen to Trev's pitch at least.  But yeah, he's not really a realistic option either.

[Norm Peterson]

1 minute ago, uneblinstu said:

WRT to the condition Miles left the program in, there's a definite argument to be made that the program was in a bad spot. I'm of the opinion that has more to do with the athletic directors than it did Miles but I won't go into all that here. Miles was able to do things (NCAA Tournament appearance and most conf wins in a season) here that nobody else was able to do this century. That should have counted for more than it did, IMO.

 

FTR, I don't agree with @Craytonhater's reasoning. But if you follow his reasoning to its logical conclusion, the only coach we had this century who left the program BETTER than he found it would have been Barry Collier.

 

But I think Craytonhater is wrong.

 

Tim Miles inherited a program that won 12 games the year before he arrived. And only 4 games in conference. In his 2nd season -- and I DON'T CARE IF IT WAS LIGHTENING IN A BOTTLE, IT WAS STILL AN NCAA TOURNEY APPEARANCE -- he lead us to the Dance. His last two seasons, we made the post-season both years. He turned the program over on a high note. He delivered the most conference wins in a single season in the history of the program his penultimate year here. Two consecutive post-season appearances before he was shown the door.

 

Oh, but there wasn't much talent in the cupboard when Fred took over, so they say. Hey, friends, let's be honest, FRED BLEW THE CUPBOARD UP! He wasn't planning on keeping any of Miles' guys. He was going to fill his own cupboard with his own players and he liked Thor and Dachon Burke and had the room so he let them stay. It wouldn't have mattered who we might have had. If you recall the discussion at the time, it was noted he did the same thing when he took over from McDermott at ISU: he flipped the roster and basically started over from scratch.

 

So, don't tell me about the shape of the roster at the time Fred took over as though it's some excuse for what's happened since. Matt A was hired to go out and fill a roster and that's what he did. It's not like Fred showed up in September and had to hit the floor with whoever was still there from the prior regime.

 

Anyway ... if you agree with Craytonhater that he left the program in worse shape than when he arrived, fine, but I look forward to your compelling explanations.

[uneblinstu]

1 minute ago, 49r said:

 

I'm not sure DeVries would be able to hang up the phone, he would be on the floor convulsing in laughter at the mere thought that Trev had the temerity to even attempt to dial his number.

 

Yeah.  DeVries would absolutely not be an option for us...ever.

 

Craig might actually seriously listen to Trev's pitch at least.  But yeah, he's not really a realistic option either.

That would be my guess on DD in terms of his CU/NU ties, too, but I'd make the call of I was Trev. 

[uneblinstu]

4 minutes ago, Norm Peterson said:

 

FTR, I don't agree with @Craytonhater's reasoning. But if you follow his reasoning to its logical conclusion, the only coach we had this century who left the program BETTER than he found it would have been Barry Collier.

 

But I think Craytonhater is wrong.

 

Tim Miles inherited a program that won 12 games the year before he arrived. And only 4 games in conference. In his 2nd season -- and I DON'T CARE IF IT WAS LIGHTENING IN A BOTTLE, IT WAS STILL AN NCAA TOURNEY APPEARANCE -- he lead us to the Dance. His last two seasons, we made the post-season both years. He turned the program over on a high note. He delivered the most conference wins in a single season in the history of the program his penultimate year here. Two consecutive post-season appearances before he was shown the door.

 

Oh, but there wasn't much talent in the cupboard when Fred took over, so they say. Hey, friends, let's be honest, FRED BLEW THE CUPBOARD UP! He wasn't planning on keeping any of Miles' guys. He was going to fill his own cupboard with his own players and he liked Thor and Dachon Burke and had the room so he let them stay. It wouldn't have mattered who we might have had. If you recall the discussion at the time, it was noted he did the same thing when he took over from McDermott at ISU: he flipped the roster and basically started over from scratch.

 

So, don't tell me about the shape of the roster at the time Fred took over as though it's some excuse for what's happened since. Matt A was hired to go out and fill a roster and that's what he did. It's not like Fred showed up in September and had to hit the floor with whoever was still there from the prior regime.

 

Anyway ... if you agree with Craytonhater that he left the program in worse shape than when he arrived, fine, but I look forward to your compelling explanations.

100% with you on all of that. Also, in the 13 win conf season, I've seen bad Husker teams have bad seasons in down years. I don't care what state the conference was in when it happened, it'd never been done before.

 

That said, the roster was a mess after that season. Nobody was coming back, there wasn't much coming in. Miles had been in survival mode. That last season was a win or else situation. At the beginning, he was winning. At the end, it was or else. He was recruiting to survive, not sustain. It would have been a big job to make that next season competitive. 

Edited January 17, 2023 by uneblinstu

[49r]

1 minute ago, uneblinstu said:

That would be my guess on DD in terms of his CU/NU ties, too, but I'd make the call of I was Trev. 

 

I believe it was mentioned somewhere on here that he has been on record in the past expressing his extreme hatred for NU and the Huskers.  Those folks are indoctrinated.

[hhcmatt]

4 minutes ago, 49r said:

Craig might actually seriously listen to Trev's pitch at least.  But yeah, he's not really a realistic option either.

 

Buyout after this year is $8.5mil, next season is $6mil, year 4 is $2.5.

[49r]

1 minute ago, hhcmatt said:

 

Buyout after this year is $8.5mil, next season is $6mil, year 4 is $2.5.

 

Gotta get used to the new budget paradigm for Big Ten schools though.  With media revenues working their way up into the 9 figure range in the near-ish future, an $8.5 million buyout is not an insurmountable hurdle.

[uneblinstu]

4 minutes ago, 49r said:

 

I believe it was mentioned somewhere on here that he has been on record in the past expressing his extreme hatred for NU and the Huskers.  Those folks are indoctrinated.

Cool. I'm still making the call if I'm Trev.

[uneblinstu]

I'm also not ready to say Fred is out after the season. I think there are a lot of peaks and valleys left in this year before we can say what Freds fate is.

[Art Vandalay]

7 minutes ago, 49r said:

 

I believe it was mentioned somewhere on here that he has been on record in the past expressing his extreme hatred for NU and the Huskers.  Those folks are indoctrinated.

‘Do you know DD? Yeah he wanted to crush NU while at CU but I don’t get the impression from him that he hates U of N at all. Not saying he would take the job if offered but I doubt he would hang up.

[HuskerFever]

1 hour ago, Craytonhater said:

It's ok to accept these coaches outside of Nee for many years were overall failures.

 

38 minutes ago, Craytonhater said:

I have higher expectations

 

Higher expectations. Failures for 25 years.

 

Something is misaligned.

[hhcmatt]

18 minutes ago, 49r said:

 

Gotta get used to the new budget paradigm for Big Ten schools though.  With media revenues working their way up into the 9 figure range in the near-ish future, an $8.5 million buyout is not an insurmountable hurdle.

 

Until March of 2024, Hoiberg's buyout is $10.  Yeah I get that media revenue keeps going up as it stands $18m for the chance to pay Craig Smith $5m a year.  While I *think* Craig Smith would be successful here couldn't I just pay Tyronn Lue $7m per year?

[49r]

14 minutes ago, hhcmatt said:

 

Until March of 2024, Hoiberg's buyout is $10.  Yeah I get that media revenue keeps going up as it stands $18m for the chance to pay Craig Smith $5m a year.  While I *think* Craig Smith would be successful here couldn't I just pay Tyronn Lue $7m per year?

 

Dunno about Ty Lue but practically any coach that we would need to pursue to satisfy the wants and needs of our more fickle fans will come with a pretty hefty price tag at this time.  I would imagine we'd need to probably pay a "Husker premium" as well because this is almost certainly the least attractive P5 job in the country.