Should severely slumping sophomore Shavon Shields sit?

[Creighton Fan]

I don't see how sitting a cat is gonna help him get out of a slump.

You sit someone because they aren't performing, not to get them out of a slump.

[lang]

What throwback, NUdiehard and Cental...are saying I am in hearty agreement with.

 

I feel really bad for Rivers ( and thrilled that he is still being a good teammate ), but no way at all I'd play him over a "struggling" Shields.

[atskooc]

I don't see how sitting a cat is gonna help him get out of a slump.

You sit someone because they aren't performing, not to get them out of a slump.

What is a slump if it isn't not performing?

[Creighton Fan]

I don't see how sitting a cat is gonna help him get out of a slump.

You sit someone because they aren't performing, not to get them out of a slump.

What is a slump if it isn't not performing?

you can be doing the right things but your shot aint dropping. Thats a slump.

Not performing is not doing whatyou are supposed to do. You can be making shots but still not performing because you are hurtin more than helpin.

[atskooc]

Fair enough.

[Silverbacked1]

Okay I will need some help this weekend, because I will need somebody a bit younger to go find a "slump buster" date for Shavon, with me.

If I try talking to young girls, it would just be the creepy old fat guy in the bar asking for a date. But if I could get a younger guy to come help, I can pick them out. I just need somebody to seal the deal.

Just what I am willing to do for the team.

[49r]

Okay I will need some help this weekend, because I will need somebody a bit younger to go find a "slump buster" date for Shavon, with me.

If I try talking to young girls, it would just be the creepy old fat guy in the bar asking for a date. But if I could get a younger guy to come help, I can pick them out. I just need somebody to seal the deal.

Just what I am willing to do for the team.

 

Nah, you're the definition of the perfect wing man SB1!

[bkamler]

How many times has Shields been stuffed this year? We have been stuffed 49 times this year and I would guess that shields has been stuffed at least 12 times.

How many lay ups has he missed? I would guess he has missed approximately about 20 bunnies not counting the stuffs.

That's 32 lay ups in 16 games that were unsuccessful for one reason or another. Two per game which seems a little low when I think about it.

But my point is this...how many times has he pump faked? The answer is once or twice! Each time he gets stuffed when a pump fake should have been utilized he needs to be benched and talked to. Then put him right back in. To continue this journey without accountability and correction is incredibly wrong!

[bobcat402]

How many times has Shields been stuffed this year? We have been stuffed 49 times this year and I would guess that shields has been stuffed at least 12 times.

How many lay ups has he missed? I would guess he has missed approximately about 20 bunnies not counting the stuffs.

That's 32 lay ups in 16 games that were unsuccessful for one reason or another. Two per game which seems a little low when I think about it.

But my point is this...how many times has he pump faked? The answer is once or twice! Each time he gets stuffed when a pump fake should have been utilized he needs to be benched and talked to. Then put him right back in. To continue this journey without accountability and correction is incredibly wrong!

your going to bench, one of are top 3 best players, who is currently maybe 70-80% healthy, because he isnt using a pump fake....yea thats gonna be real effective, under that same logic to we bench Terran for taking a 3 with 20+ left of the shot clock, or bench pitch when he dosnt box out?

[TheKamdyMan]

I just think Shields needs a few extra minutes off per game to not only rest some but to allow him to focus more on the time hes in there.  I have no problem having him start but if they could give some of his minutes up it means he can stay fresher longer.  We are doing it with Leslee for his knees, we should do the same for Shavon.  Yes hes a team leader and one of the top 3 players on the team but when things arent going right you need to change things up a little.  Miles has said much this week and think you'll definitely see some new wrinkles in the rotation going forward.

[bobcat402]

I just think Shields needs a few extra minutes off per game to not only rest some but to allow him to focus more on the time hes in there.  I have no problem having him start but if they could give some of his minutes up it means he can stay fresher longer.  We are doing it with Leslee for his knees, we should do the same for Shavon.  Yes hes a team leader and one of the top 3 players on the team but when things arent going right you need to change things up a little.  Miles has said much this week and think you'll definitely see some new wrinkles in the rotation going forward.

this i agree with, idk bout some of the other statements posters have made.

[Silverbacked1]

I just think Shields needs a few extra minutes off per game to not only rest some but to allow him to focus more on the time hes in there.  I have no problem having him start but if they could give some of his minutes up it means he can stay fresher longer.  We are doing it with Leslee for his knees, we should do the same for Shavon.  Yes hes a team leader and one of the top 3 players on the team but when things arent going right you need to change things up a little.  Miles has said much this week and think you'll definitely see some new wrinkles in the rotation going forward.

this i agree with, idk bout some of the other statements posters have made.

Well I guess I won't ask you along to find a "slump buster" with that kind of attitude.

I was hoping to go by The Foxy Lady but I see that they don't have a window for me to peek in to see if I need to go in.

Also Bobcat am going to pm you my son is going on his "recruiting " trip to Peru next Monday. Need to know what to ask and look for.

[bobcat402]

 

 

I just think Shields needs a few extra minutes off per game to not only rest some but to allow him to focus more on the time hes in there.  I have no problem having him start but if they could give some of his minutes up it means he can stay fresher longer.  We are doing it with Leslee for his knees, we should do the same for Shavon.  Yes hes a team leader and one of the top 3 players on the team but when things arent going right you need to change things up a little.  Miles has said much this week and think you'll definitely see some new wrinkles in the rotation going forward.

this i agree with, idk bout some of the other statements posters have made.

Well I guess I won't ask you along to find a "slump buster" with that kind of attitude.

I was hoping to go by The Foxy Lady but I see that they don't have a window for me to peek in to see if I need to go in.

Also Bobcat am going to pm you my son is going on his "recruiting " trip to Peru next Monday. Need to know what to ask and look for.

 

id be glad to help!

[bkamler]

How many times has Shields been stuffed this year? We have been stuffed 49 times this year and I would guess that shields has been stuffed at least 12 times.

How many lay ups has he missed? I would guess he has missed approximately about 20 bunnies not counting the stuffs.

That's 32 lay ups in 16 games that were unsuccessful for one reason or another. Two per game which seems a little low when I think about it.

But my point is this...how many times has he pump faked? The answer is once or twice! Each time he gets stuffed when a pump fake should have been utilized he needs to be benched and talked to. Then put him right back in. To continue this journey without accountability and correction is incredibly wrong!

your going to bench, one of are top 3 best players, who is currently maybe 70-80% healthy, because he isnt using a pump fake....yea thats gonna be real effective, under that same logic to we bench Terran for taking a 3 with 20+ left of the shot clock, or bench pitch when he dosnt box out?

[bkamler]

If you had read my post I said take him out and talk to him about using the pump fakes and put him right back in.

[hhcmatt]

If you had read my post I said take him out and talk to him about using the pump fakes and put him right back in.

 

Just a terminology deal.  "Benching" and "Pulling" a guy are the same thing with different connotations

[49r]

You know, I tend to read the title to this thread with a "sh" sound before every word, and it sounds okay until I get to the last word.

[The_Vault]

Sit Shields, play Rivers. Simple. David's midrange game was always nice and Shields refuses to take midrange shots now

[Norm Peterson]

Sit Shields, play Rivers. Simple. David's midrange game was always nice and Shields refuses to take midrange shots now

Nah.  Shields is shooting 41% from the floor.  Rivers is shooting 43%.  But Shields is way better from the stripe and actually does stuff when he's in the game.  Shields is scoring 14 points every 40 minutes of playing time.  Rivers is scoring less than 6 points for every 40 minutes of playing time.

 

Shields also grabs about 6.7 boards for every 40 minutes.  Rivers grabs only 3.44 boards for every 40 minutes of play.

 

So, 14 and 7 or 6 and 3.5?  It's like those commercials with the little kids.  What's better?  Better or not better?

 

With those numbers, you have to agree with Miles and say that Rivers isn't earning playing time with what he does on the floor.

[PimpMario]

Miles talked about it again today and it is clear that he thinks Shields is no place close to 100%.

 

He is resting Shields some this week in practice..

 

From that I think we can draw the conclusion that maybe he should have rested sooner. although if we had beaten UM and or Purdue maybe it would have been worth it.

[The_Vault]

Why not give Rivers another chance? Nothing to lose

[Dean Smith]

The fact that anyone would suggest that Shields should sit is mind-boggling to me. If he does something in a game that the coach doesn't like, take him out talk to him and then get him back in. There is so much more to the game than scoring and he is one of our best rebounders & passers and plays good perimeter defense. If he is injured, the training staff and the coaches will decide if he needs rest. You do not sit one of your (I still think he is the most important player on the team) best players because they tweak a knee and their scoring drops.

[Silverbacked1]

Now Dean you know that we know more about everything than any one person.

[Dean Smith]

Now Dean you know that we know more about everything than any one person.

Are you implying that somehow the board has become animated and is now a living, breathing, opinionated collective being?

[Silverbacked1]

Could be Dean, could be.