Brian Rosenthal Tweet -- Tummala + Atewe + Smith

[Nebrasketballer]

https://twitter.com/HuskerExtraBR/status/316680026672209920">March

[Norm Peterson]

Hmmmmm.  The plot thickens.  

 

I'd like to know our chances with Sai.  We've offered so the coaches must think he's worth it.  What I've seen of him makes him the guy I'd most like to see us land at this point to go along with Atewe.  

 

In order to bring in Smith, we'd have to make room.  And then we only get one spot for 2014.  Unless another player decides to leave early.  But that's still, at most, two.

[Nebrasketballer]

If this happened, then the Nebrasketball 2013 recruiting class would be about as good as it gets, until Nebraska is in the position to be signing multiple 4-Star caliber players in the same class.

[Nebrasketballer]

https://twitter.com/tfrankfo/status/316692916363984897">March

 

https://twitter.com/HuskerExtraBR/status/316693176729616384">March

[Norm Peterson]

I'd say that Fuller is pretty darn close to a 4-star.  In terms of quality anyway.  It woudn't surprise me the next time Rivals updates its top 150 for 2013 to see his name on the list.  He had a darn good senior season.

 

Webster might also get rated at that level.

 

I'm tellin' ya that Sai, if he were going to play another year in juco, would probably be one of the top juco recruiting targets in the nation next year.  Runner up player of the year in his conference as a (RS)Freshman?  That could easily put him in 4-star juco status.  

 

Atewe is raw potential.  But he seems committed to getting better.  And I don't know jack about the Leslee Smith kid except his numbers don't overwhelm.

[Norm Peterson]

BR's math is off if he thinks that Menke alone frees up enough space to sign 3 more guys this spring.  Either that or I've totally lost track of who we have and how many 'ships we can have.

[Nebrasketballer]

BR's math is off if he thinks that Menke alone frees up enough space to sign 3 more guys this spring.  Either that or I've totally lost track of who we have and how many 'ships we can have.

I think you may be right Norm.

 

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[Cookie Belcher]

I think BR might just not have wanted to speculate on who would be leaving in a hypothetical situation so he tried to use the Menke ship as his reason.

[Cookie Belcher]

Also, I agree that Fuller is a 4 star talent.  He has been my favorite commit since Day 1.  Love his game and think he will make a nice impact in Lincoln.

[Hooper]

I think BR might just not have wanted to speculate on who would be leaving in a hypothetical situation so he tried to use the Menke ship as his reason.

 

I agree. Brian knows better. He knows that Menke's scholarship is meaningless and has no relevance to the discussion of available scholarships.

 

If you see us take all three of those guys, then you know someone's leaving -- probably Vooch..

 

Again, someone I know was given vague information at the Osborne tribute that one current roster player asked the coaches to explore other options shortly after the new year. Given that Benny Parker just moved into a new place with Shields and Petteway, I'd say Vooch is the guy. He probably realizes that he'd be better off somewhere else. 

 

I'd trade Vooch for Leslee Smith any day.

[ajb5856]

If someone gets an academic scholarship, such as Sai who has a 4.0 and is a future med student, does that scholarship count against your 13? He was a walk on at Michigan correct? Was he paying for school there? What was Paul Velander's situation when he was on the team?

[Nebrasketballer]

If someone gets an academic scholarship, such as Sai who has a 4.0 and is a future med student, does that scholarship count against your 13? He was a walk on at Michigan correct? Was he paying for school there? What was Paul Velander's situation when he was on the team?

That is a great point that I hadn't even thought about

[hskr4life]

This is true... we had this scholarship and academic scholarship talk in another thread, but I cant remember where.

[TheKamdyMan]

You're either an athletic scholarship player or walkon. Once you play in a game all academic scholarships must cease forward.

[ajb5856]

Wasn't Velander's dad a professor at UNL? So he got away with being a walkon but just paid cheaper tuition because of his dad?

[uneblinstu]

Wasn't Velander's dad a professor at UNL? So he got away with being a walkon but just paid cheaper tuition because of his dad?

Still is a professor.  But yes, that's how it worked for Paul.

[Huskerpapa]

I think BR might just not have wanted to speculate on who would be leaving in a hypothetical situation so he tried to use the Menke ship as his reason.

 

I agree. Brian knows better. He knows that Menke's scholarship is meaningless and has no relevance to the discussion of available scholarships.

 

If you see us take all three of those guys, then you know someone's leaving -- probably Vooch..

 

Again, someone I know was given vague information at the Osborne tribute that one current roster player asked the coaches to explore other options shortly after the new year. Given that Benny Parker just moved into a new place with Shields and Petteway, I'd say Vooch is the guy. He probably realizes that he'd be better off somewhere else. 

 

I'd trade Vooch for Leslee Smith any day.

Hoop, have you seen Smith play? 

[lang]

You're either an athletic scholarship player or walkon. Once you play in a game all academic scholarships must cease forward.

I've heard this before.    Probably some good reason for that ?   Doesn't seem to be on the surface.   So, if you can afford to pay your own way or are willing to pile up loans, you can play.   But, if you are smart enough or have worked hard enough ( probably both and go hand in hand ) to earn an academic schollie, you can't play ?   What is wrong with how I'm thinking of this, seems odd to me.

[TheKamdyMan]

Lang the reason is the NCAA doesn't want to have to police it. Every school has different academic standards. Schools like Stanford, northwestern, etc get smart kids all day and could give them "academic" schollies and have 20 hoopers that way. Schools would then try and walk the fine line of creating academic scholarships for kids and then create a huge shit storm. Much easier to make it black and white across the board. Gray is too hard to dictate.

[Cookie Belcher]

You're either an athletic scholarship player or walkon. Once you play in a game all academic scholarships must cease forward.

Are you positive this is the case?  I asked some Michigan fans about Tummala when we started going after him, and they said he was a preferred walk-on there because he was on an academic scholarship.  I thought it was possible just with an extremely tough vetting process so teams didn't abuse it.

[lang]

Thanks Kamdy....that makes some sense.   Although I think in this day and age a few extra players would be all a team could get as you'd just have too many guys wanting to play and not enough PT to go around anyway and players would transfer out.  

[TheKamdyMan]

You can accept academic money up until you step on the court

[uneblinstu]

This only applies to full scholarship sports, btw.  So baseball and anything that only gives partials can use other scholarship money.

[Swan88]

Rules on academics-only scholarships are in section 15 of the NCAA Bylaws. My understanding is that such rules are as follows:

1. A freshman player can receive an academics-only scholarship (awarded without any regard to athletic ability) and not count against the 13 scholarship limit, provided he redshirts the first year. Sai Tummala appears to be an example of this at Michigan.

2. A player can continue on an academics-only scholarship and not count against the 13 limit if he continues to meet academic requirements.

3. A transfer student who qualifies for an academics-only scholarship can receive that scholarship and not count against the 13 limit, if academic standards are met.

One practical problem with academics-only scholarships is that they are often limited in nature (e.g., cover tuition but not room and board), rather that being equivalent to a "full ride" athletics scholarship.

[AuroranHusker]

Rules on academics-only scholarships are in section 15 of the NCAA Bylaws. My understanding is that such rules are as follows:

1. A freshman player can receive an academics-only scholarship (awarded without any regard to athletic ability) and not count against the 13 scholarship limit, provided he redshirts the first year. Sai Tummala appears to be an example of this at Michigan.

2. A player can continue on an academics-only scholarship and not count against the 13 limit if he continues to meet academic requirements.

3. A transfer student who qualifies for an academics-only scholarship can receive that scholarship and not count against the 13 limit, if academic standards are met.

One practical problem with academics-only scholarships is that they are often limited in nature (e.g., cover tuition but not room and board), rather that being equivalent to a "full ride" athletics scholarship.

 

That all seems very logical. Hope it works out well for NU in this situation.