Program Expectations

[hhcmatt]

3 minutes ago, AuroranHusker said:

 

Gotta be Rutttttgerrrrrzzzzzz

 

There is difference between not caring and ineptitude

[49r]

Rutgiz is actually investing heavily in their hoops program right now.  Wouldn't surprise me to see them pass PSU up (maybe Nebraska too) soon.

 

http://www.rutgersbigtenbuild.com

Edited March 13, 2017 by 49r

[AuroranHusker]

Just now, 49r said:

Rutgiz is actually investing heavily in their hoops program right now.  Wouldn't surprise me to see them pass PSU up (maybe Nebraska too) soon.

 

Well, I'm not referring to recent facility upgrades. For decades Rutgerz has been the swirl that rings the toilet whilst flushing.

[AuroranHusker]

Guess it's company at the bottom of the toilet that Nebraska wishes to escape. Whether it's RU or PSU, doesn't really matter. NU needs to pump it up to be in the middle-tier!!!

 

 

[49r]

2 minutes ago, AuroranHusker said:

Guess it's company at the bottom of the toilet that Nebraska wishes to escape. Whether it's RU or PSU, doesn't really matter. NU needs to pump it up to be in the middle-tier!!!

 

 

 

Well, it used to be four of us (RU, PSU and Northwestern) mired at futility level in the B1G...Northwestern has now left us in the dust with PSU and RU...

 

Getting out of the basement seems to become a more daunting task each year.

Edited March 13, 2017 by 49r

[AuroranHusker]

2 minutes ago, 49r said:

 

Well, it used to be three of us (RU, PSU and Northwestern) mired at futility level in the B1G...Northwestern has now left us in the dust with PSU and RU...

 

Getting out of the basement seems to become a more daunting task each year.

 

Would be great if Coach K would walk away, and the Dukies would steal Collins away from that other NU. Wishful thinking, I know...

 

But, yeah, in total agreement... the cellar dwellers in the lower realms of a 14-team league are literally spots that no one *wants* to fill (particularly on a regular basis).

 

 

Edited March 13, 2017 by AuroranHusker
*For clarity*

[uneblinstu]

2 minutes ago, 49r said:

 

Well, it used to be four of us (RU, PSU and Northwestern) mired at futility level in the B1G...Northwestern has now left us in the dust with PSU and RU...

 

Getting out of the basement seems to become a more daunting task each year.

They said the same thing when we made the tournament a few years ago.

[49r]

13 minutes ago, uneblinstu said:

They said the same thing when we made the tournament a few years ago.

 

I'm afraid Collins has got a sustainable program going though.  Trending in the right direction and all accounts are next year's team will be better still:

Season	Team	Overall	Conference	Standing	Postseason
Northwestern Wildcats (Big Ten Conference) (2013–present)
2013–14	Northwestern	14–19	6–12	T–10th
2014–15	Northwestern	15–17	6–12	T–10th
2015–16	Northwestern	20–12	8–10	9th
2016–17	Northwestern	23–10	10–8		NCAA
Northwestern:		72–58 (.550)	30–42 (.417)
Total:		70–58 (.547)

[uneblinstu]

4 minutes ago, 49r said:

 

I'm afraid Collins has got a sustainable program going though.  Trending in the right direction and all accounts are next year's team will be better still:

Season	Team	Overall	Conference	Standing	Postseason
Northwestern Wildcats (Big Ten Conference) (2013–present)
2013–14	Northwestern	14–19	6–12	T–10th
2014–15	Northwestern	15–17	6–12	T–10th
2015–16	Northwestern	20–12	8–10	9th
2016–17	Northwestern	23–10	10–8		NCAA
Northwestern:		72–58 (.550)	30–42 (.417)
Total:		70–58 (.547)

I don't disagree, just saying that things can change in sports, often quickly.

[Dead Dog Alley]

1 hour ago, 49r said:

 

But Miles doesn't get the same consideration by so many...why?

 

Penn State's Freshmen:

Player	GP	MIN	PPG	RPG	APG	SPG	BPG	TPG	FG%	FT%	3P%
Tony Carr	33	32.8	13.2	4.8	4.2	0.7	0.3	2.6	0.377	0.771	0.32
Lamar Stevens	33	27.8	12.7	5.5	1.7	0.8	0.6	2.2	0.429	0.767	0.344
Mike Watkins	33	23.8	9.7	8.1	0.6	0.8	2.7	1.3	0.59	0.643	0
Nazeer Bostick	18	6.7	1.3	0.7	0.3	0.4	0.2	0.6	0.31	1	0

 

 

Nebraska's Sophomores:

Player	GP	MIN	PPG	RPG	APG	SPG	BPG	TPG	FG%	FT%	3P%
Glynn Watson Jr.	31	31.6	13	3	2.6	1.6	0.1	1.5	0.417	0.81	0.397
Ed Morrow	24	23.4	9.4	7.5	0.3	0.3	1.1	2	0.514	0.612	0
Jack McVeigh	30	22.9	7.5	2.5	0.6	0.5	0.3	0.7	0.372	0.78	0.338
Michael Jacobson	31	24	6	6.2	1.1	0.7	0.9	0.9	0.391	0.64	0.174

[HF_]

Thank you for posting, Dead Dog Alley.

 

This huge "upgrade in talent" that is going on at Nebraska is only on paper, in terms of more shiny stars.  My eyeballs tell me, stars don't matter and we are in the bottom 2-3 teams in talent in this conference.

 

Case in point - across the board, a lot of Big Ten teams have groups of freshman that are outperforming not only our own group of freshman, but also our sophomores.

 

My expectation is that we consistently compete for a top-half finish in the conference and make it to the NCAA every 2 or 3 years and start winning occasionally when we make it.  This is not going to happen when we are a bottom 2-3 team in talent.

[hskr4life]

Just now, HF_ said:

Thank you for posting, Dead Dog Alley.

 

This huge "upgrade in talent" that is going on at Nebraska is only on paper, in terms of more shiny stars.  My eyeballs tell me, stars don't matter and we are in the bottom 2-3 teams in talent in this conference.

 

Case in point - across the board, a lot of Big Ten teams have groups of freshman that are outperforming not only our own group of freshman, but also our sophomores.

 

My expectation is that we consistently compete for a top-half finish in the conference and make it to the NCAA every 2 or 3 years and start winning occasionally when we make it.  This is not going to happen when we are a bottom 2-3 team in talent.

 

While I am not 100 percent sold on stars either... there is a reason that these guys have those stars.  Having talent is one thing.  I believe that we have a lot of talent on our team honestly.  Now reaching and achieving that talent consistently on a nightly basis is another thing.  I think herein lies the problem.  I do not think you need to look any further than wins against Purdue, Maryland, Dayton, Indiana, an OT loss to Wisconsin, and strong spurts against KU and UCLA to see that we have talent on the roster.  That's just my 2 cents.

[49r]

I don't see much of a difference between their frosh and our sophs.  Not sure why we're so hard on our own guys and giving the PSU guys a complete pass here.  Besides, didn't we humiliate them in Lincoln?  And take them to OT in the BTT?

 

Here's the complete breakdown:

GAME STATISTICS
Player	GP	MIN	PPG	RPG	APG	SPG	BPG	TPG	FG%	FT%	3P%
Tony Carr	33	32.8	13.2	4.8	4.2	0.7	0.3	2.6	.377	.771	.320
Lamar Stevens	33	27.8	12.7	5.5	1.7	0.8	0.6	2.2	.429	.767	.344
Shep Garner	33	32.1	12.0	2.8	2.4	1.2	0.1	1.8	.379	.762	.357
Payton Banks	32	26.7	10.4	2.2	1.0	0.4	0.3	0.9	.361	.817	.361
Mike Watkins	33	23.8	9.7	8.1	0.6	0.8	2.7	1.3	.590	.643	.000
Josh Reaves	28	27.1	7.7	4.0	2.1	2.1	0.8	1.9	.448	.708	.322
Terrence Samuel	28	16.7	3.9	2.3	1.8	0.6	0.0	0.8	.407	.727	.333
Julian Moore	32	14.9	2.8	3.0	0.3	0.3	0.8	0.8	.461	.704	.000
Nazeer Bostick	18	6.7	1.3	0.7	0.3	0.4	0.2	0.6	.310	1.000	.000
Deividas Zemgulis	18	6.2	0.8	0.7	0.1	0.1	0.1	0.4	.250	.500	.231
Isaiah Washington	17	5.0	0.7	0.4	0.1	0.1	0.0	0.3	.214	.750	.250
Grant Hazle	5	0.4	0.4	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	.500	.000	.000
Alex Zhao	4	1.3	0.0	0.3	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	.000	.000	.000
Totals	33	--	72	35	14	7	6	13	.414	.745	.339

 

GAME STATISTICS
Player	GP	MIN	PPG	RPG	APG	SPG	BPG	TPG	FG%	FT%	3P%
Tai Webster	31	34.7	17.0	5.1	4.0	1.4	0.1	3.2	.421	.744	.294
Glynn Watson Jr.	31	31.6	13.0	3.0	2.6	1.6	0.1	1.5	.417	.810	.397
Ed Morrow	24	23.4	9.4	7.5	0.3	0.3	1.1	2.0	.514	.612	.000
Jack McVeigh	30	22.9	7.5	2.5	0.6	0.5	0.3	0.7	.372	.780	.338
Michael Jacobson	31	24.0	6.0	6.2	1.1	0.7	0.9	0.9	.391	.649	.174
Evan Taylor	31	24.4	5.2	2.9	1.2	0.9	0.1	1.2	.413	.730	.240
Jordy Tshimanga	31	12.5	5.0	4.0	0.3	0.5	0.5	1.5	.449	.625	.000
Jeriah Horne	29	11.8	4.3	1.9	0.4	0.2	0.1	0.8	.405	.667	.333
Anton Gill	12	17.3	3.8	1.9	0.5	0.3	0.0	0.9	.271	.625	.276
Isaiah Roby	30	15.2	3.1	2.9	0.7	0.5	0.8	1.2	.394	.762	.200
Nick Fuller	15	5.7	1.1	1.1	0.3	0.1	0.0	0.1	.667	.714	.000
Mohammad Elradi	2	1.5	1.0	0.5	0.5	0.0	0.0	0.0	1.000	.000	.000
Malcolm Laws	5	2.2	0.4	0.2	0.0	0.2	0.0	0.0	.167	.000	.000
Tanner Borchardt	1	1.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	.000	.000	.000
Jason Shultis	2	1.5	0.0	1.5	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	.000	.000	.000
Totals	31	--	70	38	11	7	4	13	.416	.710	.320

 

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@HF_ Posts like yours read like this to me:

 

"Recruiting rankings don't matter as it applies to the Huskers...clearly the guys we have are/were overrated"

 

"The rest of the Big Ten is recruiting very well...look at their recruiting rankings"

[Chuck Taylor]

37 minutes ago, Dead Dog Alley said:

 

Penn State's Freshmen:

Player	GP	MIN	PPG	RPG	APG	SPG	BPG	TPG	FG%	FT%	3P%
Tony Carr	33	32.8	13.2	4.8	4.2	0.7	0.3	2.6	0.377	0.771	0.32
Lamar Stevens	33	27.8	12.7	5.5	1.7	0.8	0.6	2.2	0.429	0.767	0.344
Mike Watkins	33	23.8	9.7	8.1	0.6	0.8	2.7	1.3	0.59	0.643	0
Nazeer Bostick	18	6.7	1.3	0.7	0.3	0.4	0.2	0.6	0.31	1	0

 

 

Nebraska's Sophomores:

Player	GP	MIN	PPG	RPG	APG	SPG	BPG	TPG	FG%	FT%	3P%
Glynn Watson Jr.	31	31.6	13	3	2.6	1.6	0.1	1.5	0.417	0.81	0.397
Ed Morrow	24	23.4	9.4	7.5	0.3	0.3	1.1	2	0.514	0.612	0
Jack McVeigh	30	22.9	7.5	2.5	0.6	0.5	0.3	0.7	0.372	0.78	0.338
Michael Jacobson	31	24	6	6.2	1.1	0.7	0.9	0.9	0.391	0.64	0.174

That's the problem with using "young talent" as a reason for this season. PSU's talent is in its freshmen, while ours are sophs. Minnesota has talented sophomores, and they're in the NCAA. We should have been trending up at the end of this season. One year to fix it.

Edited March 13, 2017 by Chuck Taylor

[HF_]

Talking nothing about rankings in terms to comparing freshman.

 

PSU has 3 freshman who were extremely productive, more so than all of our sophomores.  We had zero freshman who were productive, outside of 2-3 glimpses of hope all year.  I think we are falling behind, not catching up or passing these teams in our similar lower tier predicament.

 

 

 

 

[HF_]

2 minutes ago, Chuck Taylor said:

That's the problem with using "young talent" as a reason for this season. PSU's talent is in its freshmen, while ours are sophs. Minnesota has talented sophomores, and they're in the NCAA. We should have been trending up at the end of this season. One year to fix it.

 

My post was in reply to 49r.  I agree with Chuck Taylor.  One year to fix it.  Don't see it happening based on the current roster.

 

[hhcmatt]

3 minutes ago, HF_ said:

PSU has 3 freshman who were extremely productive, more so than all of our sophomores.

 

For the sake of clarification, Watkins was a redshirt freshman

[49r]

2 minutes ago, HF_ said:

Talking nothing about rankings in terms to comparing freshman.

 

PSU has 3 freshman who were extremely productive, more so than all of our sophomores.  We had zero freshman who were productive, outside of 2-3 glimpses of hope all year.  I think we are falling behind, not catching up or passing these teams in our similar lower tier predicament.

 

 

 

 

 

Still not quite sure where you're coming up with this stuff.

 

Their roster ranks 337th in experience, ours is 289th.  Not a terribly significant difference despite them having more Fresmen and us having more Sophs,

 

PSU also didn't have a Tai Webster going for 17 PPG, they also didn't play as deep a rotation as we did.  Ed Morrow missed a significant portion of the year with a foot injury, and never returned to previous form.  In the end they only averaged 72 PPG to our 70.

 

I still fail to see a whole lot of difference between the two teams.

[49r]

In other words, the PSU freshmen were slightly more productive because they had to be.  They still finished below us in the standings.

[HF_]

One has 3 first year players who were major contributors.  One has 3 first year players who were essentially non-factors outside of a few games or plays all year.  

 

I don't mean to veer off topic, but Dimes posted that Watkins was a redshirt freshman.

 

I can't for the life of me remember a time when we we had the depth/luxury to redshirt a somewhat promising guy who just needed to mature a bit.  Anybody remember the last time we had a productive/successful career from a guy who redshirted as a freshman?

 

[HuskerFever]

6 minutes ago, HF_ said:

One has 3 first year players who were major contributors.  One has 3 first year players who were essentially non-factors outside of a few games or plays all year.  

 

I don't mean to veer off topic, but Dimes posted that Watkins was a redshirt freshman.

 

I can't for the life of me remember a time when we we had the depth/luxury to redshirt a somewhat promising guy who just needed to mature a bit.  Anybody remember the last time we had a productive/successful career from a guy who redshirted as a freshman?

 

 

Here's the list of redshirt freshman over the past two coaching tenures:

 

Under Miles:

Mohammad Elradi

Nick Fuller

 

Under Sadler:

Trevor Menke

Kye Kurkowski

Eshaunte Jones

Jorge Brian Diaz

Mike Fox

Brandon Richardson

Alonzo Edwards

Toney McCray

Andrew Wicklund

Mike Smith

Chris Balham

[brfrad]

2 minutes ago, HF_ said:

One has 3 first year players who were major contributors.  One has 3 first year players who were essentially non-factors outside of a few games or plays all year.  

 

I don't mean to veer off topic, but Dimes posted that Watkins was a redshirt freshman.

 

I can't for the life of me remember a time when we we had the depth/luxury to redshirt a somewhat promising guy who just needed to mature a bit.  Anybody remember the last time we had a productive/successful career from a guy who redshirted as a freshman?

 

Here's an item you don't seem to post.  Our sophomores' numbers were against one of the nation's toughest schedules.  Playing non conference games against Dayton, UCLA, Virginia Tech, Kansas, and Creighton probably are going to have some effect on numbers. 

 

Our team has talent.  Most of the Big 10 teams have talent, also.  You are forgetting Copeland, who will be a Junior, if he gets his medical hardship.  He avg. 11.1 PPG, 5.4 RPG, 2.0 APG, 1.6 TOPG, shot 42.9% from the floor, 77.2 % from the free throw line as a sophomore for Georgetown.

[HF_]

Ahh Diaz.  There you go.  That one paid off, at least for a couple years.  Outside of that, pretty rough group.  

 

It seems like we have had guys like Ubel, Wilkinson and Tai in recent history, who got to their senior year and you were like "damn...I wish we could've redshirted him instead of burning their freshman year because we had no other options other than to play them."

 

[Norm Peterson]

2 minutes ago, HuskerFever said:

 

Here's the list of redshirt freshman over the past two coaching tenures:

 

Under Miles:

Mohammad Elradi

Nick Fuller

 

Under Sadler:

Trevor Menke

Kye Kurkowski

Eshaunte Jones

Jorge Brian Diaz

Mike Fox

Brandon Richardson

Alonzo Edwards

Toney McCray

Andrew Wicklund

Mike Smith

Chris Balham

 

Don't count walk-ons.  Redshirting a walk-on isn't terribly meaningful.

 

And Smith and Balham were Collier recruits.

 

I don't remember Bear Jones redshirting; Diaz only did so because admissions said he wasn't eligible for enrolment until he passed a language test, which delayed him for a semester, at which point Doc decided to have him sit the rest of the year.

 

I think Brandon, Alonzo and Toney were a redshirt experiment that Doc decided didn't work out so well.

 

And Ray Gallegos should have been on the list under Sadler.

[HF_]

1 minute ago, brfrad said:

Here's an item you don't seem to post.  Our sophomores' numbers were against one of the nation's toughest schedules.  Playing non conference games against Dayton, UCLA, Virginia Tech, Kansas, and Creighton probably are going to have some effect on numbers. 

 

Our team has talent.  Most of the Big 10 teams have talent, also.  You are forgetting Copeland, who will be a Junior, if he gets his medical hardship.  He avg. 11.1 PPG, 5.4 RPG, 2.0 APG, 1.6 TOPG, shot 42.9% from the floor, 77.2 % from the free throw line as a sophomore for Georgetown.

 

Oddly enough I think as a whole their numbers/play were a lot better against that tough non-con schedule than they were in conference