Tim's T's

[HB]

 

 

There's a fine line between standing up for your team to where it helps your cause and doing your team harm. To me Miles is getting close to that borderline. Someone like Bo Pelini was WAY over that line just for the sake of example. I've starting growing a little concerned about Miles's propensity for technicals, but nothing major. I just see most of his frustration coming from the fact his team is less athletic, smaller rather than the fact they don't seem to be getting a fair shake.

I also am tiring of our fans' reactions to the officiating. It seems to have become more extreme in the last few years. I suppose nothing like a few bad calls to get any fanbase into a game, but we also seem to be on the extreme end of that spectrum. I think we had a 3 game streak of booing the refs off the court at halftime at one point

I just think people are frustrated ... we seem to be RIGHT there on getting over the precipice of success yet recruiting misses especially in the area of true power forwards/centers have left us at a disadvantage.

I disagree.

 

I don't think we complain more about the refs now than we ever did.  And I think when we complain about officiating, it's because officials have blown some crucial calls.

 

Refs get called out on message boards across the country.  I doubt we're any more guilty of this than any other fan base.  And I don't think there's anything wrong with complaining about bad officiating or inconsistent officiating.

 

Because players and coaches can't comment, officials get a free pass.  Why is that?

 

And we can criticize the coach or the players and no one seems to object and say that the players and coaches are off limits.  But you seem to think officials should get a free pass.  Why is that?

 

If officials are never held to public scrutiny and criticism, is there any incentive for them to not repeatedly do stupid stuff like that Eades guy?

 

I'm not down on the floor so I don't know how Miles' behavior is any different than any other coach.  There was a time in the Maryland game, though, where Turgeon's assistants had to haul him back to the bench and he was being very demonstrative in showing up the official.  That should have been a T, no question.  But they didn't call it.

 

I question whether the Ts are being handed out equally. 

 

It's like hanging on the rim.  Sometimes it's a technical and sometimes it's obvious.  But sometimes it's called in situations that are indistinguishable from thousands of other dunks where it wasn't called.

 

Or moving screens.  They don't call it 90% of the time and then, suddenly, the last minute of a close game, one of our players will get whistled for it and it's a turnover.

 

All I'm asking for is consistency.  And when I don't see it, you're damn right I'm going to complain about it.  Just like we complain about Husker players who don't seem to give full effort or Husker coaches who don't seem to make adjustments.

 

Why are you suggesting that officials should be off limits?

 

 

 

 

I think if you look close you'll see I never said referees were off limits. They are human. In my experience how you handle adversity is more important to the long term success than who was at fault. I think if you start to develop a reputation for going off and/or booing officials it affects the calls you get so it's eventually doubly bad for a coach or fan base.

Take Bo Pelini ... it wasn't always what he did in the moment but often the build up of petty complaints the entire time before. I wonder if that's part of why it seems to us Miles is getting picked on. 

There hasn't been one game this year where I felt we were screwed. We play in a league where most other teams are much longer than us at EVERY position. That puts us at a huge disadvantage.

I do think we're worse than some schools when it comes to complaining about the refs. I have been to quite a lot of college hoops games in my life and I don't recall the refs getting booed off the court at half as many times as I have the past 3 years.

 

 

Well, all I know is they called a little touch foul on Tai with 9 seconds left (which had nothing to do with anyone being longer than us at any position), and then ignored a timeout attempt and an arm grab on Glynn.  Whether that counts as being "screwed" is the question, I guess.  

 

As for Miles, your post makes it sound like he's considerably different than other coaches in the league.  The video montage posted yesterday shows that's he's tame by comparison of some.  And comparing him to Bo is absurd.   Our fans aren't any worse than other places, so we just disagree on that.   If for some reason Miles and/or our fan base have some  reputation for being a problem, that's BS.  Spend 5 minutes watching Fran McCaffray, Frank Martin, Roy Williams, Coach K, and a zillion other examples.  

[HB]

"There hasn't been one game this year where I felt we were screwed. We play in a league where most other teams are much longer than us at EVERY position. That puts us at a huge disadvantage."

 

That's what she said.

 

[hhcmatt]

And comparing him to Bo is absurd. 

 

Absurd topics call for absurd comparisons. At least we've moved past comparing people on the team to Taylor Martinez.

[Husker4theSpurs]

 

 

 

There's a fine line between standing up for your team to where it helps your cause and doing your team harm. To me Miles is getting close to that borderline. Someone like Bo Pelini was WAY over that line just for the sake of example. I've starting growing a little concerned about Miles's propensity for technicals, but nothing major. I just see most of his frustration coming from the fact his team is less athletic, smaller rather than the fact they don't seem to be getting a fair shake.

I also am tiring of our fans' reactions to the officiating. It seems to have become more extreme in the last few years. I suppose nothing like a few bad calls to get any fanbase into a game, but we also seem to be on the extreme end of that spectrum. I think we had a 3 game streak of booing the refs off the court at halftime at one point

I just think people are frustrated ... we seem to be RIGHT there on getting over the precipice of success yet recruiting misses especially in the area of true power forwards/centers have left us at a disadvantage.

I disagree.

 

I don't think we complain more about the refs now than we ever did.  And I think when we complain about officiating, it's because officials have blown some crucial calls.

 

Refs get called out on message boards across the country.  I doubt we're any more guilty of this than any other fan base.  And I don't think there's anything wrong with complaining about bad officiating or inconsistent officiating.

 

Because players and coaches can't comment, officials get a free pass.  Why is that?

 

And we can criticize the coach or the players and no one seems to object and say that the players and coaches are off limits.  But you seem to think officials should get a free pass.  Why is that?

 

If officials are never held to public scrutiny and criticism, is there any incentive for them to not repeatedly do stupid stuff like that Eades guy?

 

I'm not down on the floor so I don't know how Miles' behavior is any different than any other coach.  There was a time in the Maryland game, though, where Turgeon's assistants had to haul him back to the bench and he was being very demonstrative in showing up the official.  That should have been a T, no question.  But they didn't call it.

 

I question whether the Ts are being handed out equally. 

 

It's like hanging on the rim.  Sometimes it's a technical and sometimes it's obvious.  But sometimes it's called in situations that are indistinguishable from thousands of other dunks where it wasn't called.

 

Or moving screens.  They don't call it 90% of the time and then, suddenly, the last minute of a close game, one of our players will get whistled for it and it's a turnover.

 

All I'm asking for is consistency.  And when I don't see it, you're damn right I'm going to complain about it.  Just like we complain about Husker players who don't seem to give full effort or Husker coaches who don't seem to make adjustments.

 

Why are you suggesting that officials should be off limits?

 

 

 

 

I think if you look close you'll see I never said referees were off limits. They are human. In my experience how you handle adversity is more important to the long term success than who was at fault. I think if you start to develop a reputation for going off and/or booing officials it affects the calls you get so it's eventually doubly bad for a coach or fan base.

Take Bo Pelini ... it wasn't always what he did in the moment but often the build up of petty complaints the entire time before. I wonder if that's part of why it seems to us Miles is getting picked on. 

There hasn't been one game this year where I felt we were screwed. We play in a league where most other teams are much longer than us at EVERY position. That puts us at a huge disadvantage.

I do think we're worse than some schools when it comes to complaining about the refs. I have been to quite a lot of college hoops games in my life and I don't recall the refs getting booed off the court at half as many times as I have the past 3 years.

 

 

Well, all I know is they called a little touch foul on Tai with 9 seconds left (which had nothing to do with anyone being longer than us at any position), and then ignored a timeout attempt and an arm grab on Glynn.  Whether that counts as being "screwed" is the question, I guess.  

 

As for Miles, your post makes it sound like he's considerably different than other coaches in the league.  The video montage posted yesterday shows that's he's tame by comparison of some.  And comparing him to Bo is absurd.   Our fans aren't any worse than other places, so we just disagree on that.   If for some reason Miles and/or our fan base have some  reputation for being a problem, that's BS.  Spend 5 minutes watching Fran McCaffray, Frank Martin, Roy Williams, Coach K, and a zillion other examples.  

 

 

That was more than a touch foul on Tai. We couldn't stop them going to the hoop late ... period. Over and over and over. Maybe that didn't have anything to do with being longer, but it was about being stronger at a minimum. I did not compare Tim to Bo just because I mentioned them in the same sentence. I referenced Pelini as someone who is WAY over the line. My point was that I said Miles was getting CLOSE to the line where his behavior on the T's he gets are harming rather than helping. I didn't say he was over the line yet. A technical once in a great while can help you eventually get calls or when used strategically. Push the line too much too often and you do yourself harm regarding calls. We don't know what words Miles uses and like I said one outburst by another coach might not be enough to get a T while constantly complaining by another person might achieve a Technical by accumulation practically.

It's amazing how overblown most on here have made this ... I'm not saying Miles is Pelini. I used that for reference's sake. People are here are hypersensitive to any criticism of anyone it seems. All I said was I was starting to get concerned that Miles is pushing the line too much and might not be doing us any favors.

[HB]

 

 

 

 

There's a fine line between standing up for your team to where it helps your cause and doing your team harm. To me Miles is getting close to that borderline. Someone like Bo Pelini was WAY over that line just for the sake of example. I've starting growing a little concerned about Miles's propensity for technicals, but nothing major. I just see most of his frustration coming from the fact his team is less athletic, smaller rather than the fact they don't seem to be getting a fair shake.

I also am tiring of our fans' reactions to the officiating. It seems to have become more extreme in the last few years. I suppose nothing like a few bad calls to get any fanbase into a game, but we also seem to be on the extreme end of that spectrum. I think we had a 3 game streak of booing the refs off the court at halftime at one point

I just think people are frustrated ... we seem to be RIGHT there on getting over the precipice of success yet recruiting misses especially in the area of true power forwards/centers have left us at a disadvantage.

I disagree.

 

I don't think we complain more about the refs now than we ever did.  And I think when we complain about officiating, it's because officials have blown some crucial calls.

 

Refs get called out on message boards across the country.  I doubt we're any more guilty of this than any other fan base.  And I don't think there's anything wrong with complaining about bad officiating or inconsistent officiating.

 

Because players and coaches can't comment, officials get a free pass.  Why is that?

 

And we can criticize the coach or the players and no one seems to object and say that the players and coaches are off limits.  But you seem to think officials should get a free pass.  Why is that?

 

If officials are never held to public scrutiny and criticism, is there any incentive for them to not repeatedly do stupid stuff like that Eades guy?

 

I'm not down on the floor so I don't know how Miles' behavior is any different than any other coach.  There was a time in the Maryland game, though, where Turgeon's assistants had to haul him back to the bench and he was being very demonstrative in showing up the official.  That should have been a T, no question.  But they didn't call it.

 

I question whether the Ts are being handed out equally. 

 

It's like hanging on the rim.  Sometimes it's a technical and sometimes it's obvious.  But sometimes it's called in situations that are indistinguishable from thousands of other dunks where it wasn't called.

 

Or moving screens.  They don't call it 90% of the time and then, suddenly, the last minute of a close game, one of our players will get whistled for it and it's a turnover.

 

All I'm asking for is consistency.  And when I don't see it, you're damn right I'm going to complain about it.  Just like we complain about Husker players who don't seem to give full effort or Husker coaches who don't seem to make adjustments.

 

Why are you suggesting that officials should be off limits?

 

 

 

 

I think if you look close you'll see I never said referees were off limits. They are human. In my experience how you handle adversity is more important to the long term success than who was at fault. I think if you start to develop a reputation for going off and/or booing officials it affects the calls you get so it's eventually doubly bad for a coach or fan base.

Take Bo Pelini ... it wasn't always what he did in the moment but often the build up of petty complaints the entire time before. I wonder if that's part of why it seems to us Miles is getting picked on. 

There hasn't been one game this year where I felt we were screwed. We play in a league where most other teams are much longer than us at EVERY position. That puts us at a huge disadvantage.

I do think we're worse than some schools when it comes to complaining about the refs. I have been to quite a lot of college hoops games in my life and I don't recall the refs getting booed off the court at half as many times as I have the past 3 years.

 

 

Well, all I know is they called a little touch foul on Tai with 9 seconds left (which had nothing to do with anyone being longer than us at any position), and then ignored a timeout attempt and an arm grab on Glynn.  Whether that counts as being "screwed" is the question, I guess.  

 

As for Miles, your post makes it sound like he's considerably different than other coaches in the league.  The video montage posted yesterday shows that's he's tame by comparison of some.  And comparing him to Bo is absurd.   Our fans aren't any worse than other places, so we just disagree on that.   If for some reason Miles and/or our fan base have some  reputation for being a problem, that's BS.  Spend 5 minutes watching Fran McCaffray, Frank Martin, Roy Williams, Coach K, and a zillion other examples.  

 

 

That was more than a touch foul on Tai. We couldn't stop them going to the hoop late ... period. Over and over and over. Maybe that didn't have anything to do with being longer, but it was about being stronger at a minimum. I did not compare Tim to Bo just because I mentioned them in the same sentence. I referenced Pelini as someone who is WAY over the line. My point was that I said Miles was getting CLOSE to the line where his behavior on the T's he gets are harming rather than helping. I didn't say he was over the line yet. A technical once in a great while can help you eventually get calls or when used strategically. Push the line too much too often and you do yourself harm regarding calls. We don't know what words Miles uses and like I said one outburst by another coach might not be enough to get a T while constantly complaining by another person might achieve a Technical by accumulation practically.

It's amazing how overblown most on here have made this ... I'm not saying Miles is Pelini. I used that for reference's sake. People are here are hypersensitive to any criticism of anyone it seems. All I said was I was starting to get concerned that Miles is pushing the line too much and might not be doing us any favors.

 

 

Do you really think we get the two calls Penn  State got in the last 23 seconds if we were at home?  I don't.  I flat out don't.  Anyway, we'll just have to disagree on what you think is a problem or very close to  it.  Not even close to any line.  

[AuroranHusker]

I have a hard time with the foul called at 23.7 sec (and 4 on the shot clock). The announcers said it was on AW-III. I'm seriously wondering how the refs bailed out a guy who is fumbling the ball with no clue as to how much time is left to shoot. That was the one that 'won' the game for PSU. Sucked big time. It was a horrible way to lose after coming back from 18 down with a heavy dose of resiliency. Tough break at the very end. It did look like Shavon was planning to get fouled. My question is: why is Tai slowly bringing the ball up the court. The time is running out, no time to "take your time". Drive to the rim, and let the chips fall where they may...

[Husker4theSpurs]

 

 

 

 

 

There's a fine line between standing up for your team to where it helps your cause and doing your team harm. To me Miles is getting close to that borderline. Someone like Bo Pelini was WAY over that line just for the sake of example. I've starting growing a little concerned about Miles's propensity for technicals, but nothing major. I just see most of his frustration coming from the fact his team is less athletic, smaller rather than the fact they don't seem to be getting a fair shake.

I also am tiring of our fans' reactions to the officiating. It seems to have become more extreme in the last few years. I suppose nothing like a few bad calls to get any fanbase into a game, but we also seem to be on the extreme end of that spectrum. I think we had a 3 game streak of booing the refs off the court at halftime at one point

I just think people are frustrated ... we seem to be RIGHT there on getting over the precipice of success yet recruiting misses especially in the area of true power forwards/centers have left us at a disadvantage.

I disagree.

 

I don't think we complain more about the refs now than we ever did.  And I think when we complain about officiating, it's because officials have blown some crucial calls.

 

Refs get called out on message boards across the country.  I doubt we're any more guilty of this than any other fan base.  And I don't think there's anything wrong with complaining about bad officiating or inconsistent officiating.

 

Because players and coaches can't comment, officials get a free pass.  Why is that?

 

And we can criticize the coach or the players and no one seems to object and say that the players and coaches are off limits.  But you seem to think officials should get a free pass.  Why is that?

 

If officials are never held to public scrutiny and criticism, is there any incentive for them to not repeatedly do stupid stuff like that Eades guy?

 

I'm not down on the floor so I don't know how Miles' behavior is any different than any other coach.  There was a time in the Maryland game, though, where Turgeon's assistants had to haul him back to the bench and he was being very demonstrative in showing up the official.  That should have been a T, no question.  But they didn't call it.

 

I question whether the Ts are being handed out equally. 

 

It's like hanging on the rim.  Sometimes it's a technical and sometimes it's obvious.  But sometimes it's called in situations that are indistinguishable from thousands of other dunks where it wasn't called.

 

Or moving screens.  They don't call it 90% of the time and then, suddenly, the last minute of a close game, one of our players will get whistled for it and it's a turnover.

 

All I'm asking for is consistency.  And when I don't see it, you're damn right I'm going to complain about it.  Just like we complain about Husker players who don't seem to give full effort or Husker coaches who don't seem to make adjustments.

 

Why are you suggesting that officials should be off limits?

 

 

 

 

I think if you look close you'll see I never said referees were off limits. They are human. In my experience how you handle adversity is more important to the long term success than who was at fault. I think if you start to develop a reputation for going off and/or booing officials it affects the calls you get so it's eventually doubly bad for a coach or fan base.

Take Bo Pelini ... it wasn't always what he did in the moment but often the build up of petty complaints the entire time before. I wonder if that's part of why it seems to us Miles is getting picked on. 

There hasn't been one game this year where I felt we were screwed. We play in a league where most other teams are much longer than us at EVERY position. That puts us at a huge disadvantage.

I do think we're worse than some schools when it comes to complaining about the refs. I have been to quite a lot of college hoops games in my life and I don't recall the refs getting booed off the court at half as many times as I have the past 3 years.

 

 

Well, all I know is they called a little touch foul on Tai with 9 seconds left (which had nothing to do with anyone being longer than us at any position), and then ignored a timeout attempt and an arm grab on Glynn.  Whether that counts as being "screwed" is the question, I guess.  

 

As for Miles, your post makes it sound like he's considerably different than other coaches in the league.  The video montage posted yesterday shows that's he's tame by comparison of some.  And comparing him to Bo is absurd.   Our fans aren't any worse than other places, so we just disagree on that.   If for some reason Miles and/or our fan base have some  reputation for being a problem, that's BS.  Spend 5 minutes watching Fran McCaffray, Frank Martin, Roy Williams, Coach K, and a zillion other examples.  

 

 

That was more than a touch foul on Tai. We couldn't stop them going to the hoop late ... period. Over and over and over. Maybe that didn't have anything to do with being longer, but it was about being stronger at a minimum. I did not compare Tim to Bo just because I mentioned them in the same sentence. I referenced Pelini as someone who is WAY over the line. My point was that I said Miles was getting CLOSE to the line where his behavior on the T's he gets are harming rather than helping. I didn't say he was over the line yet. A technical once in a great while can help you eventually get calls or when used strategically. Push the line too much too often and you do yourself harm regarding calls. We don't know what words Miles uses and like I said one outburst by another coach might not be enough to get a T while constantly complaining by another person might achieve a Technical by accumulation practically.

It's amazing how overblown most on here have made this ... I'm not saying Miles is Pelini. I used that for reference's sake. People are here are hypersensitive to any criticism of anyone it seems. All I said was I was starting to get concerned that Miles is pushing the line too much and might not be doing us any favors.

 

 

Do you really think we get the two calls Penn  State got in the last 23 seconds if we were at home?  I don't.  I flat out don't.  Anyway, we'll just have to disagree on what you think is a problem or very close to  it.  Not even close to any line.  

 

You fail to see the point but that's OK. The point is he is getting close to the line where his behavior and drawing techs does not result in helping us get calls. Not that he's close to crossing some morality line or something.

Agree to disagree for sure.

[hhcmatt]

It's amazing how overblown most on here have made this ... I'm not saying Miles is Pelini. I used that for reference's sake. People are here are hypersensitive to any criticism of anyone it seems

 

You're referencing a football coach who was a fear based human anger machine. It's simply a poor comparison point.

[AuroranHusker]

 

It's amazing how overblown most on here have made this ... I'm not saying Miles is Pelini. I used that for reference's sake. People are here are hypersensitive to any criticism of anyone it seems

 

You're referencing a football coach who was a fear based human anger machine. It's simply a poor comparison point.

 

 

 

That would make a great YSU tee shirt:

 

FEAR-BASED HUMAN ANGER MACHINE. Go Penguins!

[HB]

 

 

 

 

 

 

There's a fine line between standing up for your team to where it helps your cause and doing your team harm. To me Miles is getting close to that borderline. Someone like Bo Pelini was WAY over that line just for the sake of example. I've starting growing a little concerned about Miles's propensity for technicals, but nothing major. I just see most of his frustration coming from the fact his team is less athletic, smaller rather than the fact they don't seem to be getting a fair shake.

I also am tiring of our fans' reactions to the officiating. It seems to have become more extreme in the last few years. I suppose nothing like a few bad calls to get any fanbase into a game, but we also seem to be on the extreme end of that spectrum. I think we had a 3 game streak of booing the refs off the court at halftime at one point

I just think people are frustrated ... we seem to be RIGHT there on getting over the precipice of success yet recruiting misses especially in the area of true power forwards/centers have left us at a disadvantage.

I disagree.

 

I don't think we complain more about the refs now than we ever did.  And I think when we complain about officiating, it's because officials have blown some crucial calls.

 

Refs get called out on message boards across the country.  I doubt we're any more guilty of this than any other fan base.  And I don't think there's anything wrong with complaining about bad officiating or inconsistent officiating.

 

Because players and coaches can't comment, officials get a free pass.  Why is that?

 

And we can criticize the coach or the players and no one seems to object and say that the players and coaches are off limits.  But you seem to think officials should get a free pass.  Why is that?

 

If officials are never held to public scrutiny and criticism, is there any incentive for them to not repeatedly do stupid stuff like that Eades guy?

 

I'm not down on the floor so I don't know how Miles' behavior is any different than any other coach.  There was a time in the Maryland game, though, where Turgeon's assistants had to haul him back to the bench and he was being very demonstrative in showing up the official.  That should have been a T, no question.  But they didn't call it.

 

I question whether the Ts are being handed out equally. 

 

It's like hanging on the rim.  Sometimes it's a technical and sometimes it's obvious.  But sometimes it's called in situations that are indistinguishable from thousands of other dunks where it wasn't called.

 

Or moving screens.  They don't call it 90% of the time and then, suddenly, the last minute of a close game, one of our players will get whistled for it and it's a turnover.

 

All I'm asking for is consistency.  And when I don't see it, you're damn right I'm going to complain about it.  Just like we complain about Husker players who don't seem to give full effort or Husker coaches who don't seem to make adjustments.

 

Why are you suggesting that officials should be off limits?

 

 

 

 

I think if you look close you'll see I never said referees were off limits. They are human. In my experience how you handle adversity is more important to the long term success than who was at fault. I think if you start to develop a reputation for going off and/or booing officials it affects the calls you get so it's eventually doubly bad for a coach or fan base.

Take Bo Pelini ... it wasn't always what he did in the moment but often the build up of petty complaints the entire time before. I wonder if that's part of why it seems to us Miles is getting picked on. 

There hasn't been one game this year where I felt we were screwed. We play in a league where most other teams are much longer than us at EVERY position. That puts us at a huge disadvantage.

I do think we're worse than some schools when it comes to complaining about the refs. I have been to quite a lot of college hoops games in my life and I don't recall the refs getting booed off the court at half as many times as I have the past 3 years.

 

 

Well, all I know is they called a little touch foul on Tai with 9 seconds left (which had nothing to do with anyone being longer than us at any position), and then ignored a timeout attempt and an arm grab on Glynn.  Whether that counts as being "screwed" is the question, I guess.  

 

As for Miles, your post makes it sound like he's considerably different than other coaches in the league.  The video montage posted yesterday shows that's he's tame by comparison of some.  And comparing him to Bo is absurd.   Our fans aren't any worse than other places, so we just disagree on that.   If for some reason Miles and/or our fan base have some  reputation for being a problem, that's BS.  Spend 5 minutes watching Fran McCaffray, Frank Martin, Roy Williams, Coach K, and a zillion other examples.  

 

 

That was more than a touch foul on Tai. We couldn't stop them going to the hoop late ... period. Over and over and over. Maybe that didn't have anything to do with being longer, but it was about being stronger at a minimum. I did not compare Tim to Bo just because I mentioned them in the same sentence. I referenced Pelini as someone who is WAY over the line. My point was that I said Miles was getting CLOSE to the line where his behavior on the T's he gets are harming rather than helping. I didn't say he was over the line yet. A technical once in a great while can help you eventually get calls or when used strategically. Push the line too much too often and you do yourself harm regarding calls. We don't know what words Miles uses and like I said one outburst by another coach might not be enough to get a T while constantly complaining by another person might achieve a Technical by accumulation practically.

It's amazing how overblown most on here have made this ... I'm not saying Miles is Pelini. I used that for reference's sake. People are here are hypersensitive to any criticism of anyone it seems. All I said was I was starting to get concerned that Miles is pushing the line too much and might not be doing us any favors.

 

 

Do you really think we get the two calls Penn  State got in the last 23 seconds if we were at home?  I don't.  I flat out don't.  Anyway, we'll just have to disagree on what you think is a problem or very close to  it.  Not even close to any line.  

 

You fail to see the point but that's OK. The point is he is getting close to the line where his behavior and drawing techs does not result in helping us get calls. Not that he's close to crossing some morality line or something.

Agree to disagree for sure.

 

 

It isn't about  seeing the point, it's that your observations are clearly wrong.  There is no "behavior" issue there.

[Husker4theSpurs]

 

It's amazing how overblown most on here have made this ... I'm not saying Miles is Pelini. I used that for reference's sake. People are here are hypersensitive to any criticism of anyone it seems

 

You're referencing a football coach who was a fear based human anger machine. It's simply a poor comparison point.

 

 

As I said and as stated in my first post ... the point was to make the example of how I felt Miles was getting close to the point where his T's have not achieved the desired result. I said for example Bo was WAY over that line. It's not a comparison point, it was to establish a reference point.

[Husker4theSpurs]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There's a fine line between standing up for your team to where it helps your cause and doing your team harm. To me Miles is getting close to that borderline. Someone like Bo Pelini was WAY over that line just for the sake of example. I've starting growing a little concerned about Miles's propensity for technicals, but nothing major. I just see most of his frustration coming from the fact his team is less athletic, smaller rather than the fact they don't seem to be getting a fair shake.

I also am tiring of our fans' reactions to the officiating. It seems to have become more extreme in the last few years. I suppose nothing like a few bad calls to get any fanbase into a game, but we also seem to be on the extreme end of that spectrum. I think we had a 3 game streak of booing the refs off the court at halftime at one point

I just think people are frustrated ... we seem to be RIGHT there on getting over the precipice of success yet recruiting misses especially in the area of true power forwards/centers have left us at a disadvantage.

I disagree.

 

I don't think we complain more about the refs now than we ever did.  And I think when we complain about officiating, it's because officials have blown some crucial calls.

 

Refs get called out on message boards across the country.  I doubt we're any more guilty of this than any other fan base.  And I don't think there's anything wrong with complaining about bad officiating or inconsistent officiating.

 

Because players and coaches can't comment, officials get a free pass.  Why is that?

 

And we can criticize the coach or the players and no one seems to object and say that the players and coaches are off limits.  But you seem to think officials should get a free pass.  Why is that?

 

If officials are never held to public scrutiny and criticism, is there any incentive for them to not repeatedly do stupid stuff like that Eades guy?

 

I'm not down on the floor so I don't know how Miles' behavior is any different than any other coach.  There was a time in the Maryland game, though, where Turgeon's assistants had to haul him back to the bench and he was being very demonstrative in showing up the official.  That should have been a T, no question.  But they didn't call it.

 

I question whether the Ts are being handed out equally. 

 

It's like hanging on the rim.  Sometimes it's a technical and sometimes it's obvious.  But sometimes it's called in situations that are indistinguishable from thousands of other dunks where it wasn't called.

 

Or moving screens.  They don't call it 90% of the time and then, suddenly, the last minute of a close game, one of our players will get whistled for it and it's a turnover.

 

All I'm asking for is consistency.  And when I don't see it, you're damn right I'm going to complain about it.  Just like we complain about Husker players who don't seem to give full effort or Husker coaches who don't seem to make adjustments.

 

Why are you suggesting that officials should be off limits?

 

 

 

 

I think if you look close you'll see I never said referees were off limits. They are human. In my experience how you handle adversity is more important to the long term success than who was at fault. I think if you start to develop a reputation for going off and/or booing officials it affects the calls you get so it's eventually doubly bad for a coach or fan base.

Take Bo Pelini ... it wasn't always what he did in the moment but often the build up of petty complaints the entire time before. I wonder if that's part of why it seems to us Miles is getting picked on. 

There hasn't been one game this year where I felt we were screwed. We play in a league where most other teams are much longer than us at EVERY position. That puts us at a huge disadvantage.

I do think we're worse than some schools when it comes to complaining about the refs. I have been to quite a lot of college hoops games in my life and I don't recall the refs getting booed off the court at half as many times as I have the past 3 years.

 

 

Well, all I know is they called a little touch foul on Tai with 9 seconds left (which had nothing to do with anyone being longer than us at any position), and then ignored a timeout attempt and an arm grab on Glynn.  Whether that counts as being "screwed" is the question, I guess.  

 

As for Miles, your post makes it sound like he's considerably different than other coaches in the league.  The video montage posted yesterday shows that's he's tame by comparison of some.  And comparing him to Bo is absurd.   Our fans aren't any worse than other places, so we just disagree on that.   If for some reason Miles and/or our fan base have some  reputation for being a problem, that's BS.  Spend 5 minutes watching Fran McCaffray, Frank Martin, Roy Williams, Coach K, and a zillion other examples.  

 

 

That was more than a touch foul on Tai. We couldn't stop them going to the hoop late ... period. Over and over and over. Maybe that didn't have anything to do with being longer, but it was about being stronger at a minimum. I did not compare Tim to Bo just because I mentioned them in the same sentence. I referenced Pelini as someone who is WAY over the line. My point was that I said Miles was getting CLOSE to the line where his behavior on the T's he gets are harming rather than helping. I didn't say he was over the line yet. A technical once in a great while can help you eventually get calls or when used strategically. Push the line too much too often and you do yourself harm regarding calls. We don't know what words Miles uses and like I said one outburst by another coach might not be enough to get a T while constantly complaining by another person might achieve a Technical by accumulation practically.

It's amazing how overblown most on here have made this ... I'm not saying Miles is Pelini. I used that for reference's sake. People are here are hypersensitive to any criticism of anyone it seems. All I said was I was starting to get concerned that Miles is pushing the line too much and might not be doing us any favors.

 

 

Do you really think we get the two calls Penn  State got in the last 23 seconds if we were at home?  I don't.  I flat out don't.  Anyway, we'll just have to disagree on what you think is a problem or very close to  it.  Not even close to any line.  

 

You fail to see the point but that's OK. The point is he is getting close to the line where his behavior and drawing techs does not result in helping us get calls. Not that he's close to crossing some morality line or something.

Agree to disagree for sure.

 

 

It isn't about  seeing the point, it's that your observations are clearly wrong.  There is no "behavior" issue there.

 

 

I never said there was a behavior issue ...

[HB]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There's a fine line between standing up for your team to where it helps your cause and doing your team harm. To me Miles is getting close to that borderline. Someone like Bo Pelini was WAY over that line just for the sake of example. I've starting growing a little concerned about Miles's propensity for technicals, but nothing major. I just see most of his frustration coming from the fact his team is less athletic, smaller rather than the fact they don't seem to be getting a fair shake.

I also am tiring of our fans' reactions to the officiating. It seems to have become more extreme in the last few years. I suppose nothing like a few bad calls to get any fanbase into a game, but we also seem to be on the extreme end of that spectrum. I think we had a 3 game streak of booing the refs off the court at halftime at one point

I just think people are frustrated ... we seem to be RIGHT there on getting over the precipice of success yet recruiting misses especially in the area of true power forwards/centers have left us at a disadvantage.

I disagree.

 

I don't think we complain more about the refs now than we ever did.  And I think when we complain about officiating, it's because officials have blown some crucial calls.

 

Refs get called out on message boards across the country.  I doubt we're any more guilty of this than any other fan base.  And I don't think there's anything wrong with complaining about bad officiating or inconsistent officiating.

 

Because players and coaches can't comment, officials get a free pass.  Why is that?

 

And we can criticize the coach or the players and no one seems to object and say that the players and coaches are off limits.  But you seem to think officials should get a free pass.  Why is that?

 

If officials are never held to public scrutiny and criticism, is there any incentive for them to not repeatedly do stupid stuff like that Eades guy?

 

I'm not down on the floor so I don't know how Miles' behavior is any different than any other coach.  There was a time in the Maryland game, though, where Turgeon's assistants had to haul him back to the bench and he was being very demonstrative in showing up the official.  That should have been a T, no question.  But they didn't call it.

 

I question whether the Ts are being handed out equally. 

 

It's like hanging on the rim.  Sometimes it's a technical and sometimes it's obvious.  But sometimes it's called in situations that are indistinguishable from thousands of other dunks where it wasn't called.

 

Or moving screens.  They don't call it 90% of the time and then, suddenly, the last minute of a close game, one of our players will get whistled for it and it's a turnover.

 

All I'm asking for is consistency.  And when I don't see it, you're damn right I'm going to complain about it.  Just like we complain about Husker players who don't seem to give full effort or Husker coaches who don't seem to make adjustments.

 

Why are you suggesting that officials should be off limits?

 

 

 

 

I think if you look close you'll see I never said referees were off limits. They are human. In my experience how you handle adversity is more important to the long term success than who was at fault. I think if you start to develop a reputation for going off and/or booing officials it affects the calls you get so it's eventually doubly bad for a coach or fan base.

Take Bo Pelini ... it wasn't always what he did in the moment but often the build up of petty complaints the entire time before. I wonder if that's part of why it seems to us Miles is getting picked on. 

There hasn't been one game this year where I felt we were screwed. We play in a league where most other teams are much longer than us at EVERY position. That puts us at a huge disadvantage.

I do think we're worse than some schools when it comes to complaining about the refs. I have been to quite a lot of college hoops games in my life and I don't recall the refs getting booed off the court at half as many times as I have the past 3 years.

 

 

Well, all I know is they called a little touch foul on Tai with 9 seconds left (which had nothing to do with anyone being longer than us at any position), and then ignored a timeout attempt and an arm grab on Glynn.  Whether that counts as being "screwed" is the question, I guess.  

 

As for Miles, your post makes it sound like he's considerably different than other coaches in the league.  The video montage posted yesterday shows that's he's tame by comparison of some.  And comparing him to Bo is absurd.   Our fans aren't any worse than other places, so we just disagree on that.   If for some reason Miles and/or our fan base have some  reputation for being a problem, that's BS.  Spend 5 minutes watching Fran McCaffray, Frank Martin, Roy Williams, Coach K, and a zillion other examples.  

 

 

That was more than a touch foul on Tai. We couldn't stop them going to the hoop late ... period. Over and over and over. Maybe that didn't have anything to do with being longer, but it was about being stronger at a minimum. I did not compare Tim to Bo just because I mentioned them in the same sentence. I referenced Pelini as someone who is WAY over the line. My point was that I said Miles was getting CLOSE to the line where his behavior on the T's he gets are harming rather than helping. I didn't say he was over the line yet. A technical once in a great while can help you eventually get calls or when used strategically. Push the line too much too often and you do yourself harm regarding calls. We don't know what words Miles uses and like I said one outburst by another coach might not be enough to get a T while constantly complaining by another person might achieve a Technical by accumulation practically.

It's amazing how overblown most on here have made this ... I'm not saying Miles is Pelini. I used that for reference's sake. People are here are hypersensitive to any criticism of anyone it seems. All I said was I was starting to get concerned that Miles is pushing the line too much and might not be doing us any favors.

 

 

Do you really think we get the two calls Penn  State got in the last 23 seconds if we were at home?  I don't.  I flat out don't.  Anyway, we'll just have to disagree on what you think is a problem or very close to  it.  Not even close to any line.  

 

You fail to see the point but that's OK. The point is he is getting close to the line where his behavior and drawing techs does not result in helping us get calls. Not that he's close to crossing some morality line or something.

Agree to disagree for sure.

 

 

It isn't about  seeing the point, it's that your observations are clearly wrong.  There is no "behavior" issue there.

 

 

I never said there was a behavior issue ...

 

 

Uh, except that part where you said "he is getting close to the line where his behavior and drawing techs does not result in helping us get calls"..  

[Husker4theSpurs]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There's a fine line between standing up for your team to where it helps your cause and doing your team harm. To me Miles is getting close to that borderline. Someone like Bo Pelini was WAY over that line just for the sake of example. I've starting growing a little concerned about Miles's propensity for technicals, but nothing major. I just see most of his frustration coming from the fact his team is less athletic, smaller rather than the fact they don't seem to be getting a fair shake.

I also am tiring of our fans' reactions to the officiating. It seems to have become more extreme in the last few years. I suppose nothing like a few bad calls to get any fanbase into a game, but we also seem to be on the extreme end of that spectrum. I think we had a 3 game streak of booing the refs off the court at halftime at one point

I just think people are frustrated ... we seem to be RIGHT there on getting over the precipice of success yet recruiting misses especially in the area of true power forwards/centers have left us at a disadvantage.

I disagree.

 

I don't think we complain more about the refs now than we ever did.  And I think when we complain about officiating, it's because officials have blown some crucial calls.

 

Refs get called out on message boards across the country.  I doubt we're any more guilty of this than any other fan base.  And I don't think there's anything wrong with complaining about bad officiating or inconsistent officiating.

 

Because players and coaches can't comment, officials get a free pass.  Why is that?

 

And we can criticize the coach or the players and no one seems to object and say that the players and coaches are off limits.  But you seem to think officials should get a free pass.  Why is that?

 

If officials are never held to public scrutiny and criticism, is there any incentive for them to not repeatedly do stupid stuff like that Eades guy?

 

I'm not down on the floor so I don't know how Miles' behavior is any different than any other coach.  There was a time in the Maryland game, though, where Turgeon's assistants had to haul him back to the bench and he was being very demonstrative in showing up the official.  That should have been a T, no question.  But they didn't call it.

 

I question whether the Ts are being handed out equally. 

 

It's like hanging on the rim.  Sometimes it's a technical and sometimes it's obvious.  But sometimes it's called in situations that are indistinguishable from thousands of other dunks where it wasn't called.

 

Or moving screens.  They don't call it 90% of the time and then, suddenly, the last minute of a close game, one of our players will get whistled for it and it's a turnover.

 

All I'm asking for is consistency.  And when I don't see it, you're damn right I'm going to complain about it.  Just like we complain about Husker players who don't seem to give full effort or Husker coaches who don't seem to make adjustments.

 

Why are you suggesting that officials should be off limits?

 

 

 

 

I think if you look close you'll see I never said referees were off limits. They are human. In my experience how you handle adversity is more important to the long term success than who was at fault. I think if you start to develop a reputation for going off and/or booing officials it affects the calls you get so it's eventually doubly bad for a coach or fan base.

Take Bo Pelini ... it wasn't always what he did in the moment but often the build up of petty complaints the entire time before. I wonder if that's part of why it seems to us Miles is getting picked on. 

There hasn't been one game this year where I felt we were screwed. We play in a league where most other teams are much longer than us at EVERY position. That puts us at a huge disadvantage.

I do think we're worse than some schools when it comes to complaining about the refs. I have been to quite a lot of college hoops games in my life and I don't recall the refs getting booed off the court at half as many times as I have the past 3 years.

 

 

Well, all I know is they called a little touch foul on Tai with 9 seconds left (which had nothing to do with anyone being longer than us at any position), and then ignored a timeout attempt and an arm grab on Glynn.  Whether that counts as being "screwed" is the question, I guess.  

 

As for Miles, your post makes it sound like he's considerably different than other coaches in the league.  The video montage posted yesterday shows that's he's tame by comparison of some.  And comparing him to Bo is absurd.   Our fans aren't any worse than other places, so we just disagree on that.   If for some reason Miles and/or our fan base have some  reputation for being a problem, that's BS.  Spend 5 minutes watching Fran McCaffray, Frank Martin, Roy Williams, Coach K, and a zillion other examples.  

 

 

That was more than a touch foul on Tai. We couldn't stop them going to the hoop late ... period. Over and over and over. Maybe that didn't have anything to do with being longer, but it was about being stronger at a minimum. I did not compare Tim to Bo just because I mentioned them in the same sentence. I referenced Pelini as someone who is WAY over the line. My point was that I said Miles was getting CLOSE to the line where his behavior on the T's he gets are harming rather than helping. I didn't say he was over the line yet. A technical once in a great while can help you eventually get calls or when used strategically. Push the line too much too often and you do yourself harm regarding calls. We don't know what words Miles uses and like I said one outburst by another coach might not be enough to get a T while constantly complaining by another person might achieve a Technical by accumulation practically.

It's amazing how overblown most on here have made this ... I'm not saying Miles is Pelini. I used that for reference's sake. People are here are hypersensitive to any criticism of anyone it seems. All I said was I was starting to get concerned that Miles is pushing the line too much and might not be doing us any favors.

 

 

Do you really think we get the two calls Penn  State got in the last 23 seconds if we were at home?  I don't.  I flat out don't.  Anyway, we'll just have to disagree on what you think is a problem or very close to  it.  Not even close to any line.  

 

You fail to see the point but that's OK. The point is he is getting close to the line where his behavior and drawing techs does not result in helping us get calls. Not that he's close to crossing some morality line or something.

Agree to disagree for sure.

 

 

It isn't about  seeing the point, it's that your observations are clearly wrong.  There is no "behavior" issue there.

 

 

I never said there was a behavior issue ...

 

 

Uh, except that part where you said "he is getting close to the line where his behavior and drawing techs does not result in helping us get calls"..  

 

I didn't say it was a problem in my initial post which made the original point ... I said I was starting to get concerned about whether his technicals were getting close to that line. I also said "nothing major."

The full quote or where you quoted which was a response to the first overreaction - "My point was that I said Miles was getting CLOSE to the line where his behavior on the T's he gets are harming rather than helping."

Full original quote - "There's a fine line between standing up for your team to where it helps your cause and doing your team harm. To me Miles is getting close to that borderline. Someone like Bo Pelini was WAY over that line just for the sake of example. I've starting growing a little concerned about Miles's propensity for technicals, but nothing major."

I will bow out as the discussion has become childish. Some people just don't seem to be able handle any hint of concern or criticism about one's own.

[HuskerFever]

Could we cut down all the quotes, please? It's getting a little hard to follow. Besides, it's a cheap way to turn this into a 10-page garbage thread

[Ron Mexico]

There's a fine line between standing up for your team to where it helps your cause and doing your team harm. To me Miles is getting close to that borderline. Someone like Bo Pelini was WAY over that line just for the sake of example. I've starting growing a little concerned about Miles's propensity for technicals, but nothing major. I just see most of his frustration coming from the fact his team is less athletic, smaller rather than the fact they don't seem to be getting a fair shake.

I also am tiring of our fans' reactions to the officiating. It seems to have become more extreme in the last few years. I suppose nothing like a few bad calls to get any fanbase into a game, but we also seem to be on the extreme end of that spectrum. I think we had a 3 game streak of booing the refs off the court at halftime at one point

I just think people are frustrated ... we seem to be RIGHT there on getting over the precipice of success yet recruiting misses especially in the area of true power forwards/centers have left us at a disadvantage.

There is nothing about anything you've said that I agree with. 

1. Miles isn't close to any make believe line. Bo Pelini wasn't even as bad as the BS legend about his "behavior". It's all crap where a hyper-sensitive fan base that has large inferiority complex and like a child needs to be told how great they are by some bogus idea of the "Greatest Fans" which is complete and utter fiction which has been completely exposed since 1999. Honestly, I'm sick of it. "Our coach made an angry face and yelled and now I'm sad". If you don't like it then quit watching sports.

2. Jean Peck would be proud of you. Who gives a crap how our fans react to refs. i don't. At least they are showing and are involved. 

3. I've been very happy with recruiting and it is significantly better under Miles than our previous 2 coaches. I don't want him taking a flyer on a 7 footer who sucks. Big 10 quality centers don't grow on trees and as for me I'm happy Miles isn't taking any reaches. Despite our lack of size and youth(there have been several games this year where we have started 3 true freshman) we have stayed in ever game in this conference this season. We are one of the fastest and most athletic teams in the conference. We are going to be at full strength come Big 10 tournament time. Even if we lose in the 1st or 2nd round I feel great about our future with Miles at the helm. I did not feel this confident about the future of Husker Basketball going into our previous 2 coaches 5th years.

[brfrad]

There's a fine line between standing up for your team to where it helps your cause and doing your team harm. To me Miles is getting close to that borderline. Someone like Bo Pelini was WAY over that line just for the sake of example. I've starting growing a little concerned about Miles's propensity for technicals, but nothing major. I just see most of his frustration coming from the fact his team is less athletic, smaller rather than the fact they don't seem to be getting a fair shake.

I also am tiring of our fans' reactions to the officiating. It seems to have become more extreme in the last few years. I suppose nothing like a few bad calls to get any fanbase into a game, but we also seem to be on the extreme end of that spectrum. I think we had a 3 game streak of booing the refs off the court at halftime at one point

I just think people are frustrated ... we seem to be RIGHT there on getting over the precipice of success yet recruiting misses especially in the area of true power forwards/centers have left us at a disadvantage.

3. I've been very happy with recruiting and it is significantly better under Miles than our previous 2 coaches. I don't want him taking a flyer on a 7 footer who sucks. Big 10 quality centers don't grow on trees and as for me I'm happy Miles isn't taking any reaches. Despite our lack of size and youth(there have been several games this year where we have started 3 true freshman) we have stayed in ever game in this conference this season. We are one of the fastest and most athletic teams in the conference. We are going to be at full strength come Big 10 tournament time. Even if we lose in the 1st or 2nd round I feel great about our future with Miles at the helm. I did not feel this confident about the future of Husker Basketball going into our previous 2 coaches 5th years.

You could really say the last 3 coaches. Nee was coming off a 10 - 18 season and picked by a wide margin to finish last in the Big 8.

[Cazzie22]

I think we probably don't boo enough.  Iowa State fans have a reputation as being the hardest on refs, to the point that they get ridiculed pretty harshly by other fanbases for it.   Heck, the Phog has game threads for games NOT involving the Jayhawks, and for any game involving ISU the thread title will always say something like "BOOOOOO! vs. Kansas State - game thread".  And good for Iowa State.  Make them notice you.

 

Here's an article explaining why Iowa State fans should NEVER apologizing for booing (click the link or the image for the full article):

 

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How the Passion of Iowa State Fans Fuels Hilton Magic - Wide Right & Natty Lite

 

http://www.widerightnattylite.com/2016/1/19/10791158/how-the-passion-of-iowa-state-cyclones-fans-fuels-hilton-magic

 

 

CBS Sports college basketball analyst Doug Gottlieb tweeted last night that, "Hilton is awesome, pretty basic arena, no frills..people make the place." You might take a look at that tweet and second guess yourself for a moment, but it's actually a huge compliment to Iowa State fans.

 

People make the place.

 

Yes, all of that cheering, and booing, that ISU fans exude throughout the length of a game inside Hilton is what fuels Hilton Magic. It's part of what boosts greats like Hoiberg, Fizer, Ejim and Niang to make plays and lead the Cyclones to victory.

 

It's funny, whenever I go on Twitter after a nationally televised Iowa State basketball game, I see people pointing out how much ISU fans boo. Some, notably Iowa and Kansas fans, seem to think that's some grand insult. They think it should offend us and cause us to be ashamed. But I'm not going to stop, and nor should you if you're a Cyclone fan.

 

Here's why.

 

In my opinion, 25% of the booing is because we legitimately believe that the refs got a call wrong. See a hand check called on a Cyclone player that didn't get called on the other end? Damn right I'm going to voice my displeasure about it. Bias and all, I'm going to let my opinion be known if I believe something's out of place.

 

Another 25% of it is due to history. ISU has had calls like the Georges Niang block/charge at the end of regulation against Kansas in 2013 go against them and directly influence the outcome of big games. Speaking of big games, many fans are still bitter about the way Iowa State's Elite Eight game against Michigan State in 2000 was called in the Palace of Auburn Hills. There's tons of other more specific examples I could throw out there, but I'd prefer to keep this article from becoming a full-length novel.

 

The final 50% belongs to one characteristic that most Cyclone basketball fans hold.

 

Pure passion.

 

You hear that word, passion, tossed around a lot in cases where it isn't warranted. The definition of passion is "strong and barely controllable emotion." Think about that for a second. If you're a Kansas fan and you're saying you're better than Iowa State fans because you don't boo, you're just saying that you're not as passionate about your team as Cyclone Nation. ISU fans are so incredibly invested in our team that our emotion comes bursting out at all times, whether it's cheering or booing.

 

Oh, and that "barely controllable" part of the definition? The "controlled" part for us is our ability to stop ourselves from walking down to the court and giving the referees a knuckle sandwich.

 

Sounds harsh, but it's true.

I agree, the Cyclones were hosed in Auburn Hills. CBS wanted Michigan St. in the Finals.  I cannot blame Eustachy for going nuts as the foul on Marcus Fizer for setting a screen was bogus at the least.  I didn't have much sympathy for MSU fans whining that Texas in 2003 was playing in San Antonio to advance to the Final Four.  

[49r]

Anybody else watching Michigan State vs. Penn State right now?

[ShortDust]

I heard about chambers, but wanna see it on a replay or something.

Edit, found it. Typical Higgins and eades. Oh and the birdo on the call, what an awful crew for a game.

[hskr4life]

I heard about chambers, but wanna see it on a replay or something.

Edit, found it. Typical Higgins and eades. Oh and the birdo on the call, what an awful crew for a game.

http://youtu.be/vTfH6OGrAKY

Where is this on the Bo Pelini scale?

[HB]

More evidence of why Spurs' perspective is way out of whack.