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49r

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Well seeing as how there are approximately a month's worth of games between Prairie View and Michigan State, I'd say you won't have a whole lot to worry about.  At least not yet.

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jimmykc
jimmykc

Fact is, we need both of them.

aphilso1
aphilso1

I noticed the same thing.  So now a guy you respect AND an anonymous message board poster have told you that.

HuskerFever
HuskerFever

I'm going to wait until Rosenthal tweets it.

uneblinstu

uneblinstu

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Well, if Tai's injury is serious enough, a couple weeks off before conference play might be just what the doctor ordered. You see oblique injuries in baseball quite a bit, they can be tough to get healed all the way and are easy to reaggravate. Not sure how that will impact playing basketball. 

uneblinstu

uneblinstu

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Andrew White has made 27 3s this year and every single one of them involved an assist. How many of those is Watson responsible for? If he's one of the main catalysts of White that would be to me a very good reason to start those two together.

 

The answer is 4: 2 vs. Abeline, 1 vs. Arkansas Pine-Bluff, 1 vs. Delaware St. 

 

I didn't keep track of how many across the roster led to 3's but it's a bunch of 'em, including yesterday when he assisted Benny's fateful 3 at the end of yesterday's game.

Hooper

Hooper

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While I understand that total minutes are more important than who starts a game, I believe that those who maintain that the make-up of the starting personnel isn't that big a deal are undervaluing the importance of getting off to a good start. Too often this team comes out and quickly finds itself at a substantial deficit. That is not the time to have Glynn come off the bench in my opinion. Rather, the time for Glynn to come off the bench is before the game even starts.

 

Is it not important to get off to a fast start? Is it not important to put your best players on the court at critical times in the game? Why are the opening few minutes of a game not important enough to warrant the best players being on the court? 

 

When Glynn is on the court, he elevates everyone else's game. Benny does not. I'm for the best players playing. If you're a senior and you're upset because a freshman is starting ahead of you, then play better.

hskr4life

hskr4life

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While I understand that total minutes are more important than who starts a game, I believe that those who maintain that the make-up of the starting personnel isn't that big a deal are undervaluing the importance of getting off to a good start. Too often this team comes out and quickly finds itself at a substantial deficit. That is not the time to have Glynn come off the bench in my opinion. Rather, the time for Glynn to come off the bench is before the game even starts.

 

Is it not important to get off to a fast start? Is it not important to put your best players on the court at critical times in the game? Why are the opening few minutes of a game not important enough to warrant the best players being on the court? 

 

When Glynn is on the court, he elevates everyone else's game. Benny does not. I'm for the best players playing. If you're a senior and you're upset because a freshman is starting ahead of you, then play better.

 

Who said Benny would be upset by coming off the bench?  Who said Benny wants the starting role?  Benny is a team guy... always has been.  When everyone was calling for his head after his freshman year, he proved them wrong by earning more playing time.  He has fought and earned every minute of playing time that he gets.  Obviously the man we pay millions of dollars a year thinks that the best option right now is to start Benny.  I have faith in that decision.  Every person on our team has flaws... including Watson.  If Miles feels that Benny is the one to start then I have faith in that decision.  Don't come in though and make judgements or assumptions about a kid who has poured his heart and soul into this program.

Hooper

Hooper

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Not going to elaborate on a public forum, but I'm confident the decision is based on a perception of the negative impact a demotion would have on the psyche of the player. I'm going to leave it at that.

 

I was around in 2013-2014, and know how that played out. That season seems to have created the perception among fans that BP is so carefree that he literally doesn't care about starting, his minutes, etc. I don't believe that currently represents reality. Does that mean BP is some type of malcontent or something? Absolutely not. It means he's human.

Hooper

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Benny will take what Benny gets. No whiners allowed. Sheesh, I'm not buying this implication of dissension in the 'starting' PG ranks.

 

No way am I implying that there's anything close to dissention among any of the players. What I'm saying is that the decision to bench Benny as a starter in favor of Glynn could have negative consequences on BP's mindset and performance for the remainder of the season. He's a normal human being with normal emotions. He's not an emotionless robot who doesn't care who starts, how many MPG he gets, etc. That's all I'm trying to say. In no way does that mean he's not a team-first guy.

 

These are the challenges of managing a group of humans on a sports team as opposed to managing players in a video game, which is often how fans (including me) view personnel decisions.

AuroranHusker

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Benny will take what Benny gets. No whiners allowed. Sheesh, I'm not buying this implication of dissension in the 'starting' PG ranks.

 

No way am I implying that there's anything close to dissention among any of the players. What I'm saying is that the decision to bench Benny as a starter in favor of Glynn could have negative consequences on BP's mindset and performance for the remainder of the season. He's a normal human being with normal emotions. He's not an emotionless robot who doesn't care who starts, how many MPG he gets, etc. That's all I'm trying to say. In no way does that mean he's not a team-first guy.

 

These are the challenges of managing a group of humans on a sports team as opposed to managing players in a video game, which is often how fans (including me) view personnel decisions.

 

 

I did not mention dissension among players. Re-read it. It's about Benny; he should be glad he's playing at a major Div. 1 program. He has no reason whatsoever to complain & it's ridiculous to assume that BP wouldn't take the demotion like a man. C'mon now, it's big-time basketball. NU is not coddling a guy... The condescending tone implied in your post is a bit 'over the top.'   ;)   :)   :D

Red Rum

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I sincerely doubt there will be any dissention or sulking on Benny's part if he's replaced as the starter. I have zero "insider" knowledge but based off of that one time when he was basically told that he may never play here and it might be in his best interest to leave.......and he stayed......that's all I'm saying.

AuroranHusker

AuroranHusker

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I sincerely doubt there will be any dissention or sulking on Benny's part if he's replaced as the starter. I have zero "insider" knowledge but based off of that one time when he was basically told that he may never play here and it might be in his best interest to leave.......and he stayed......that's all I'm saying.

 

Exactly.

Norm Peterson

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Benny will take what Benny gets. No whiners allowed. Sheesh, I'm not buying this implication of dissension in the 'starting' PG ranks.

 

No way am I implying that there's anything close to dissention among any of the players. What I'm saying is that the decision to bench Benny as a starter in favor of Glynn could have negative consequences on BP's mindset and performance for the remainder of the season. He's a normal human being with normal emotions. He's not an emotionless robot who doesn't care who starts, how many MPG he gets, etc. That's all I'm trying to say. In no way does that mean he's not a team-first guy.

 

These are the challenges of managing a group of humans on a sports team as opposed to managing players in a video game, which is often how fans (including me) view personnel decisions.

 

 

I did not mention dissension among players. Re-read it. It's about Benny; he should be glad he's playing at a major Div. 1 program. He has no reason whatsoever to complain & it's ridiculous to assume that BP wouldn't take the demotion like a man. C'mon now, it's big-time basketball. NU is not coddling a guy... The condescending tone implied in your post is a bit 'over the top.'   ;)  :)  :D

 

It appears as though you might possibly have inadvertently omitted some wink/smiley emojis at the end of your post, so I added some for you.  :huh:  -_-  ;)  :D  :)  :mellow:

FredsSlacks

FredsSlacks

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i'm ok with glynn coming off the bench because we don't have a lot of scorers on our bench.

 

What i do think needs to change are his minutes. he should playing the same amount of minutes as shields and white.

 

There's nothing wrong with coming off the bench. several nba players have made the all star game as 6th men.

49r

49r

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FWIW, Hooper, I get your point.  Benny is a senior and he's paid his dues so to speak and that in and of itself is not worth nothing.  He deserves at least a little respect in this regard.  Not to mention he and Shavon have really good chemistry on the court - they've been together now at NU for all 4 years - and just tossing Benny aside might not go over well with Shavon either.

 

OTOH, it is obvious that Glynn is a major upgrade at the PG spot and he will not be denied the opportunity to start either.  You can't just let the obviously better talent sit and "wait his turn" as that isn't fair to him either.  Plus, you don't want to have another Tarin Smith situation.

 

So, IMO, you need to proceed with these two with plenty of caution.  You can't rush Glynn, and don't just toss Benny aside.  It needs to be made clear that they are in contention for that starting role (and probably will be all season) and they need to both be given ample opportunity to prove they deserve to be the man.  I have faith it will all work itself out, hopefully without effecting the team's chemistry.

AuroranHusker

AuroranHusker

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Guys, didn't mean to be condescending. Just trying to have a discussion here. Sorry if I came off that way.  :)

 

Oh, we're good Hoop. Sorry for the excess earlier; I misread the emphasis. I do doubt that any of the coaches/players/admin are in a mood for any 'excuse' type stuff at NU, and fans sense that from afar.

AuroranHusker

AuroranHusker

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Benny will take what Benny gets. No whiners allowed. Sheesh, I'm not buying this implication of dissension in the 'starting' PG ranks.

 

No way am I implying that there's anything close to dissention among any of the players. What I'm saying is that the decision to bench Benny as a starter in favor of Glynn could have negative consequences on BP's mindset and performance for the remainder of the season. He's a normal human being with normal emotions. He's not an emotionless robot who doesn't care who starts, how many MPG he gets, etc. That's all I'm trying to say. In no way does that mean he's not a team-first guy.

 

These are the challenges of managing a group of humans on a sports team as opposed to managing players in a video game, which is often how fans (including me) view personnel decisions.

 

 

I did not mention dissension among players. Re-read it. It's about Benny; he should be glad he's playing at a major Div. 1 program. He has no reason whatsoever to complain & it's ridiculous to assume that BP wouldn't take the demotion like a man. C'mon now, it's big-time basketball. NU is not coddling a guy... The condescending tone implied in your post is a bit 'over the top.'   ;)  :)  :D

 

It appears as though you might possibly have inadvertently omitted some wink/smiley emojis at the end of your post, so I added some for you.  :huh:  -_-  ;)  :D  :)  :mellow:

 

 

Sorry, Normy. I have no idea what you're referring to with that. They're already there, big guy.  :P

ajb5856

ajb5856

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Fact is, we need both of them.

And how great it is to have more than 1 viable starting option at a position. How quickly we forget. Only a half decade ago our starting 5 consisted of only 1.5 players who deserved to see a division 1 basketball court. It was like, if you're wearing a jersey get in there. After the starting 5 with jerseys...it was like WHOA, bring in the student manager! He might be 6th man! And that's a true story. Just ask Nick Krenk.

AuroranHusker

AuroranHusker

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here are some debates you can start thinking about for next year.

sg: anton or tai?

who takes over for shields? morrow, roby, horne, mcveigh?

who starts at center? jacobson, hammond, or potential unnamed big man recruit?

 

All GREAT B1G issues/problems/challenges to have for Miles & Co. LOVE it! Time to get while the gettin' remains good. GBR

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