A Little Normy Vent

[Bugeaters1]

 

 

Complaining about the refs is the legitimate right of any fan. Complaining about them by players or coaches is never a good thing however merited it may be. Since the referees are the appointed authorities in the sport, participants in the sport who do not treat them with a modicum of respect invite the same response as those who decide to resist arrest. If I am pulled over for some traffic issue I think is bogus, I always heap praise on the diligence of officer and thank him for the service he does for the community. I've never regretted this approach.

OK, I'm going to highjack my own thread in a way that only I can.

 

There is one smoking hawt lady cop in Lincoln who just has to be, far and away, the best looking female police officer in the free world.  Kind of a ginger.  Dark ginger?  Maybe some of you know who she is.  I'd say she looks a lot like Patricia Heaton except probably younger.  And reddish, auburnish hair.

 

She pulled me over one time.  This was maybe two years ago.  Gave me a verbal warning.  In a very pleasant tone of voice.  I was incapable of saying anything remotely coherent, let alone able to heap praise on her diligence.  I mean I tried.  But I got a little tongue-tied and words just failed.

 

I drove away thinking that was the absolute most pleasant experience I've had with a cop, ever.  Ever.

 

Shortly thereafter, I got caught in a speed trap by a guy who was a jerk.  So, it balanced out.

See Norm it does pay to unbutton a few buttons and show off that chest some, it just ain't for females any more.

 

My wife tried that once, She still got a ticket and hates the cop to this today.

[Bugeaters1]

 

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Nope not her, She is Ray's mom

[Huskerpapa]

 

 

 

I think it's safe to say she's been...enhanced some

And she gave me a VERBAL warning!

 

Might you call that an "oral" warning?

 

Not to be crass, but now I remember her...but not them, if you know what I mean.  Methinks she changed...somehow, someway.

[Norm Peterson]

 

 

 

 

I think it's safe to say she's been...enhanced some

And she gave me a VERBAL warning!

 

Might you call that an "oral" warning?

 

Not to be crass, but now I remember her...but not them, if you know what I mean.  Methinks she changed...somehow, someway.

 

You're talking about the longer earings?

[GATA]

I was one of those who dismissed the notion of a moral victory, and I stand by it completely. It's great that we didn't roll over, but unfortunately we built ourselves such a freaking hole because of how utterly incompetent we played in the first 30 minutes it was all but impossible to win.

Sorry, but the story of this game wasn't a valiant comeback, it was playing ugly basketball until the game was all but lost.

As for the refs, I'm cool with complaining about them in a game where they mattered. What annoys me is when people complain and complain and complain when we get beat by 20 points.

[hal9000]

2.  What's wrong with applauding effort in a game we lose?  Saw some of that yesterday.  No moral victories.  And I get that, but on the other hand, would you rather they rolled over?

And by all of the Leavey McLeaversons bolting early for the exits they send the message (IMO) to they players that they do not wish to applaud their efforts, win or lose.

[AuroranHusker]

 

How in the hell did they score 13 in the first half, then turn around and drop 42 in the second?  Wisconsin at least balanced it out a little better going 27 then 38.

 

It's baffling to me.

It's what frustrates the hell out of me.  They show that they can score with anyone and yet look so offensively challenged so often. 

 

And Norm, spot on.

 

 

Agreed, on all counts.

[49r]

 

 

 

 

 

I think it's safe to say she's been...enhanced some

And she gave me a VERBAL warning!

 

Might you call that an "oral" warning?

 

Not to be crass, but now I remember her...but not them, if you know what I mean.  Methinks she changed...somehow, someway.

 

You're talking about the longer earings?

 

pssst....

 

he's talking about BOOBS, Norm...

[Cazzie22]

1.  I don't want anyone telling people on here that we shouldn't complain about the officials or that only losers complain about the officials or that the officials didn't cause us to lose the game or any of that other garbage.

 

What's so special about officials that we, on a message board, shouldn't complain about them?  We complain about the players, the coaches, the student section, the concessions, and people from the lower bowl streaming to the exits with 5 minutes to go.  Heck, we even complain about the announcers calling the game.

 

Are the officials above reproach?  Do they never make mistakes?  Do they never have bad games?  Must we eat whatever little crap sandwich they decide to make for us and act like we're enjoying it?  "Thank you sir, may I have another?"

 

Anyone who says don't complain about the officials better not ever complain about how well some college kid, out there busting his butt to try to win, is playing.  Anyone who says don't complain about the officials better never make comments about Terran Petteway's body language or Benny Parker's stature or Tai Webster's shooting percentage or Moses Abraham's stone hands or Walt Pitchford's lack of rebounding. 

 

Fair warning:  Next time someone tries to tell me not to criticize officials, gloves are off and I'm coming back after you for the hypocrisy of criticizing people because they criticized other people.

 

 

2.  What's wrong with applauding effort in a game we lose?  Saw some of that yesterday.  No moral victories.  And I get that, but on the other hand, would you rather they rolled over?

 

It is a legitimate point to say that the team upped their game and fought back in the face of long odds last night.  That's praiseworthy.  And I don't think there's anything wrong with pointing it out.  Sure, we still lost.  And, yes, we dug too deep of a hole to begin with and it would have been better had we not left ourselves with so high of a hill to climb.  But would you have preferred the team just phone it in for the second half?

 

If you want to drown yourself in misery following a loss and have no capacity to look for any bright side, then suffer by yourself.  We all complain about the stuff that went wrong and no one says you can't do that.  We do it all the time (except for the refs, who enjoy a special "kid gloves" status, according to some around here.)  But don't bash people who found a legitimate positive in all the negative last night.

 

They didn't phone it in for the second half.  They fought back hard.  They got within striking distance enough to make Wisconsin sweat it out a bit.  And that showed some character.  For all you people bitching about Terran Petteway's body language, I sure hope you gave the kid props for fighting all the way to the bitter freaking end.

 

 

Peace, out.

I cannot disagree with anything you said.  However, I still stand by my belief that last night's outcome was not decided by the officiating.  It was our lack of execution and the inability to knock down shots. 

[Norm Peterson]

Yeah, I think we lose anyway, Cazzie.  Agree with you there.  But sometimes officials' calls are just so jacked up that I can't help but get a little bit angry about it.  I expect more out of college officials than junior high refs, but I've seen junior high refs that would call a better game than some of those calls last night.

 

It's what CWG said:  You know when refs have done a great job because you don't notice them.  I've noticed them in a bad way in wins and losses and it pisses me off either way.  Maybe it pisses me off most in those occasions where we're getting blown out and in now way, shape or form did it affect the outcome because in those games just the titanic unfairness of the refs piling on to a bad situation just outrages me.

 

I don't always complain about reffing.  I don't even always complain about reffing when we lose.  (I'm not sure but did I complain about reffing after we lost to Indiana?  Incarnate Word?  Creighton?)  But when they do a bad job, they should be called out for it.  Otherwise, there's no public accountability.  Because the players and coaches sure can't say anything.

[Silverbacked1]

I damn near died at the bad reffing of theIncarnate Word. Remember the two bag calls at the end were the kid jumped into two of our guys and got the three freethrows after he had fallen down the play before and they said that Shavon hit him when the replay showed Shavon wasn't even close. That was the worst I had seen in my life. I actually made me sick because it was so bad.

[Norm Peterson]

I damn near died at the bad reffing of theIncarnate Word. Remember the two bag calls at the end were the kid jumped into two of our guys and got the three freethrows after he had fallen down the play before and they said that Shavon hit him when the replay showed Shavon wasn't even close. That was the worst I had seen in my life. I actually made me sick because it was so bad.

Oh, yeah.  Crap, how could I forget that?  I guess I did complain at those.  What about Creighton?  Was I OK with that one?

[HuskerFever]

 

I think it's safe to say she's been...enhanced some

 

[tuxino]

Shesh Norm. Not to downplay your post because I agree. B1G officials leave a lot to be desired. Wish there was a way to ferret them out. Having said that somehow a good team has to find ways to overcome bad officiating. Ours hasn't, yet. I guess my point is would we be having this discussion if we were on a ten game winning streak? Loosing sure makes a man look inward and when you don't see that your efforts to change meet any success theres always outside. Boo refs! Honestly at this point I will be happy if the Huskers get to some kind of postseason play and take a run. Sure I would take a B1G tournament championship, but this season doesn't have to be over until its over.  Thanks for posting this. I believe the B1G can afford better refs. tux

[Norm Peterson]

Shesh Norm. Not to downplay your post because I agree. B1G officials leave a lot to be desired. Wish there was a way to ferret them out. Having said that somehow a good team has to find ways to overcome bad officiating. Ours hasn't, yet. I guess my point is would we be having this discussion if we were on a ten game winning streak? Loosing sure makes a man look inward and when you don't see that your efforts to change meet any success theres always outside. Boo refs! Honestly at this point I will be happy if the Huskers get to some kind of postseason play and take a run. Sure I would take a B1G tournament championship, but this season doesn't have to be over until its over.  Thanks for posting this. I believe the B1G can afford better refs. tux

Tux, I'm not sure my point came across clearly if that's your take.  I agree that good teams have to find a way of overcoming bad officiating.

 

Having said that, it bugs me to no end that officials seem to get a pass when everyone else connected with a game is viewed under a microscope of criticism. 

 

We cuss at the student section.  We cuss at the fans who leave early.  We cuss at the band for not playing the kind of music we like (we had a thread on this last season.)  We cuss at the play-by-play guy.  We cuss at the security people who told someone next to us to sit down or not hang their coat over the railing.  We cuss at opposing players and coaches.  We cuss at our own coach for being "out-coached" and not knowing "Xs and Os" and not subbing the right players at the right time and not starting the guys we think should start.  We cuss at the players on our own team for being too short or being too emotional or being too inconsistent or being too slow or being too soft or too rough or too flat on their shots or not flat enough or not having their elbows in or not passing the ball enough or not standing up to cheer their teammates enough when they're on the bench or not doing any number of other things.

 

But, according to some, we should NEVER cuss the refs.

 

Because cussing the refs is for losers.

 

Even though the refs sometimes do more things to piss us off in a single game than Aaron Craft did in his entire career.

 

But don't criticize the refs.  Far be it for refs to have any sort of public accountability.

 

They're untouchable.

 

They should simply be allowed to continue to mess up with impunity.

 

And no one should ever call them out.

 

Because.  Just because.

 

Because good teams should be able to figure out how to win in spite of lazy, incompetent and inconsistent officials.

[49r]

The guys on sports talk radio here in KC this morning (Border Patrol on 810, for those who want to know) were whining around about Big 12 refs...same things we complain about here.  It's not a loser thing to do, EVERYBODY hates basketball refs.  Biggest complaint?  Consistency of calls, and I agree, that's the absolute most difficult thing to do is make consistent calls.  Especially when there are hundreds of games and hundreds of refs.

 

It's one of the most frustrating things about the game, but I dare say, perhaps part of the charm too.

[hskr4life]

I think the biggest beef is that they will blow blow blow blow in one half... and swallow swallow swallow in the next half.

[Silverbacked1]

I think the biggest beef is that they will blow blow blow blow in one half... and swallow swallow swallow in the next half.

That's what she said, or I guess he said in this case.

[Silverbacked1]

I think basketball is also different in that it is played indoors where the pressure rises. We are closer to the floor. And it is in the crappiest season where you can't get out and blow,off some steam. The indoor thing also doesn't allow for the noise to dissapper like out side sporting adventures do.

[tuxino]

 

Shesh Norm. Not to downplay your post because I agree. B1G officials leave a lot to be desired. Wish there was a way to ferret them out. Having said that somehow a good team has to find ways to overcome bad officiating. Ours hasn't, yet. I guess my point is would we be having this discussion if we were on a ten game winning streak? Loosing sure makes a man look inward and when you don't see that your efforts to change meet any success theres always outside. Boo refs! Honestly at this point I will be happy if the Huskers get to some kind of postseason play and take a run. Sure I would take a B1G tournament championship, but this season doesn't have to be over until its over.  Thanks for posting this. I believe the B1G can afford better refs. tux

Tux, I'm not sure my point came across clearly if that's your take.  I agree that good teams have to find a way of overcoming bad officiating.

 

Having said that, it bugs me to no end that officials seem to get a pass when everyone else connected with a game is viewed under a microscope of criticism. 

 

We cuss at the student section.  We cuss at the fans who leave early.  We cuss at the band for not playing the kind of music we like (we had a thread on this last season.)  We cuss at the play-by-play guy.  We cuss at the security people who told someone next to us to sit down or not hang their coat over the railing.  We cuss at opposing players and coaches.  We cuss at our own coach for being "out-coached" and not knowing "Xs and Os" and not subbing the right players at the right time and not starting the guys we think should start.  We cuss at the players on our own team for being too short or being too emotional or being too inconsistent or being too slow or being too soft or too rough or too flat on their shots or not flat enough or not having their elbows in or not passing the ball enough or not standing up to cheer their teammates enough when they're on the bench or not doing any number of other things.

 

But, according to some, we should NEVER cuss the refs.

 

Because cussing the refs is for losers.

 

Even though the refs sometimes do more things to piss us off in a single game than Aaron Craft did in his entire career.

 

But don't criticize the refs.  Far be it for refs to have any sort of public accountability.

 

They're untouchable.

 

They should simply be allowed to continue to mess up with impunity.

 

And no one should ever call them out.

 

Because.  Just because.

 

Because good teams should be able to figure out how to win in spite of lazy, incompetent and inconsistent officials.

 

Norm, I used to be a referee. Refs need to try and make a game more exciting. Cardinal sin number one is to stop a rally. I really believe I could do better, honestly. They seem to be inconsistent this year. They don't want us to have a consistent game. Maybe that is on us but I firmly believe we could get better refs. Sad to think you felt I was not agreeing with you. Scoring droughts can be reversed with a few trips to the line. Blatant fouls are called and if repeated technical fouls, and if no other resort benching of player. I am not a conspiracy person but they seem to call fouls according to league rank. As I said we could do a lot better. It does lead to players being tentative if too many fouls are called. tux

[Norm Peterson]

Tux, don't be sad. We're all good here.

[Cazzie22]

Yeah, I think we lose anyway, Cazzie.  Agree with you there.  But sometimes officials' calls are just so jacked up that I can't help but get a little bit angry about it.  I expect more out of college officials than junior high refs, but I've seen junior high refs that would call a better game than some of those calls last night.

 

It's what CWG said:  You know when refs have done a great job because you don't notice them.  I've noticed them in a bad way in wins and losses and it pisses me off either way.  Maybe it pisses me off most in those occasions where we're getting blown out and in now way, shape or form did it affect the outcome because in those games just the titanic unfairness of the refs piling on to a bad situation just outrages me.

 

I don't always complain about reffing.  I don't even always complain about reffing when we lose.  (I'm not sure but did I complain about reffing after we lost to Indiana?  Incarnate Word?  Creighton?)  But when they do a bad job, they should be called out for it.  Otherwise, there's no public accountability.  Because the players and coaches sure can't say anything.

To be fair Norm, I was more frustrated with how we were playing and probably didn't pay as much attention to the officiating.  I agree, the officiating is inconsistent, more so in the Women's game than the Men's.  I watched on TV and if you saw the game in person you had a better overall view.

[PimpMario]

Norm I have not seen a good officiated big 10 game. Seriously they just don't happen. Which is why I chose not to waste energy talking about it or worrying about it. Guess what next game will be poorly officiated.

I attend the games with people who get so upset and boo at the officials they sometimes let the negativity affect there positivity for cheering for the team