KenPom 2013-2014 KenPom Rankings Thread

[hskr4life]

 

 

 

Is Iowa really #13?  Wow. 

 

No better way to prepare possibly the best team you've put together than by lining them up with the 347th hardest schedule in the NCAA!

 

 

Right?  I guess that's Fran's MO.  Create the most pillow-soft non con schedule possible and hope your guys can sneak out enough conference wins to make the post season.

 

I'm glad he's not our coach.

 

 

So Lets say we sneak out of the Non Con with 3 losses and Iowa sneaks out with 0 to 1.  If we are both right there come March do we get the nod or Iowa?  Just wondering how much of a factor it really is.

[49r]

 

 

 

 

Is Iowa really #13?  Wow. 

 

No better way to prepare possibly the best team you've put together than by lining them up with the 347th hardest schedule in the NCAA!

 

 

Right?  I guess that's Fran's MO.  Create the most pillow-soft non con schedule possible and hope your guys can sneak out enough conference wins to make the post season.

 

I'm glad he's not our coach.

 

 

So Lets say we sneak out of the Non Con with 3 losses and Iowa sneaks out with 0 to 1.  If we are both right there come March do we get the nod or Iowa?  Just wondering how much of a factor it really is.

 

 

Well, hypothetically speaking, we would get the nod easily.  It's been proven time and time again that schedule strength will always get one team in over another who, all things considered, are equal in every other aspect.

 

Mind you that's only hypothetically speaking because in reality Iowa is much much better than us right now.  They will finish in the 20-30-ish range in the RPI.  We'll be very lucky to finish in the 60's or higher.

[throwback]

So Lets say we sneak out of the Non Con with 3 losses and Iowa sneaks out with 0 to 1.  If we are both right there come March do we get the nod or Iowa?  Just wondering how much of a factor it really is.

 

Iowa was 9-9 in the league last season and won 7 of its last 10 and was still left out of the NCAAs - that's almost an NCAA gimme for most power conference teams ... especially considering how strong the Big Ten was last year. Illinois and Minnesota both got in with 8-10 conference marks last year. Minny lost 7 of its last 10, Illinois lost 4 of its last 6. Both teams lost to Iowa in the final few weeks of the regular season, yet both got in ahead of Iowa.

 

Part of the problem for Iowa was its Big Ten single plays were some of the league's stronger teams so their league schedule was deemed weak, But a weak out of league schedule cost them last year.

[49r]

Time for a KenPom refresh.  It looks like Minnesota is beginning their fall from grace already.  Here is the Black Friday KenPom update:

 

Kenpom rankings as of 11-29-13.
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B1G (0-0):
4. Ohio State
6. Michigan State
14. Wisconsin
16. Iowa
26. Michigan
28. Indiana
34. Illinois
39. Minnesota
74. Purdue
77. Penn State

99. Nebraska
112. Northwestern

Non-Conference (4-2):
185. Florida Gulf Coast - W
291. Western Illinois - W
347. South Carolina State - W

---Charleston Classic---
25. UMass - L
120. UAB - L
175. Georgia - W

329. Northern Illinois

---B1G/ACC Challenge---
124. Miami

9. @Creighton
207. Arkansas State
342. The Citadel
31. @Cincinnati

Other teams of interest:
40. Maryland (4-2)
213. Rutgers (4-4)
201. Omaha (4-3)

[hskr4life]

Creightons loss will drop them... UMASS still going strong.  Big 10 looking tough on paper, but I think we will be able to hang.  If we can stay above 100 that would be great!

[49r]

Creighton only dropped to #16, fwiw.

[Chuck Taylor]

The NIU win dropped us to 116. More interesting are our offensive/defensive ratings. Despite all the talk about our offensive issues, KenPom points to our bigger deficiency as being defense. Of course, the offensive lapses are more noticeable than somebody who's slow rotating on defense.

[hhcmatt]

The NIU win dropped us to 116. More interesting are our offensive/defensive ratings. Despite all the talk about our offensive issues, KenPom points to our bigger deficiency as being defense. Of course, the offensive lapses are more noticeable than somebody who's slow rotating on defense.

 

This could be our best offense and worst defense in recent years.

[49r]

Don't look now, but Omaha is only 77 spots behind us.  That should tell you all you need to know about what a "bad win" is.  Yesterday was a bad win.  Here is today's KenPom update:

 

Kenpom rankings as of 12-1-13.
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B1G (0-0):
2. Ohio State
5. Michigan State
9. Iowa
16. Wisconsin
21. Michigan
29. Indiana
45. Minnesota
47. Illinois

72. Penn State

112. Purdue

116. Nebraska

117. Northwestern

Non-Conference (5-2):
186. Florida Gulf Coast - W
295. Western Illinois - W
348. South Carolina State - W

---Charleston Classic---
26. UMass - L
124. UAB - L
167. Georgia - W

324. Northern Illinois - W

---B1G/ACC Challenge---
128. Miami

17. @Creighton
204. Arkansas State
343. The Citadel
32. @Cincinnati

Other teams of interest:
42. Maryland (5-2)
206. Rutgers (4-4)
193. Omaha (5-3)

[tcp]

it's weird how quickly the team that came out for the opener disappeared. I miss that team.

 

these guys are probably going to be all over the map for awhile.

[HuskerActuary]

Back in the top 100

[Norm Peterson]

it's weird how quickly the team that came out for the opener disappeared. I miss that team.

 

these guys are probably going to be all over the map for awhile.

They were back last night.  I have a feeling we'll see more of them.  And better.

[49r]

North Carolina beating Michigan State last night may have helped us more than beating Miami did.  UAB is a sub-100 team now, presumably because of that.  Fortunately now, so are we.  Here is today's KenPom update:

 

Kenpom rankings as of 12-5-13.
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B1G (0-0):
2. Ohio State
9. Wisconsin
12. Michigan State
16. Iowa
27. Michigan
36. Minnesota
41. Indiana
51. Illinois

70. Penn State

92. Purdue

94. Nebraska

144. Northwestern

Non-Conference (6-2):
209. Florida Gulf Coast - W
245. Western Illinois - W
348. South Carolina State - W

---Charleston Classic---
26. UMass - L
95. UAB - L
139. Georgia - W

318. Northern Illinois - W

---B1G/ACC Challenge---
121. Miami - W

24. @Creighton
178. Arkansas State
339. The Citadel
21. @Cincinnati

Other teams of interest:
45. Maryland (5-3)
185. Rutgers (4-5)
189. Omaha (6-3)

[tcp]

things in our conference have a way of sorting themselves out. our non conf rpi will probably get stronger as the season goes by because some of those teams are rated too low right now. What we need, though, is an upset like we had last year with Valpo. That could still be FGCU over time, but barring that, stealing one from CU or Cincy would position us extremely well for a run at the postseason. I think we can find 7 wins in the B1G this year if the stars line up.

[49r]

No comments today.  Here is today's KenPom update:

 

Kenpom rankings as of 12-9-13.
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B1G (0-0):
2. Ohio State
9. Wisconsin
10. Michigan State
13. Iowa
20. Michigan
38. Indiana
40. Minnesota
46. Illinois

69. Penn State

93. Purdue

97. Nebraska

117. Northwestern

Non-Conference (6-3):
209. Florida Gulf Coast - W
245. Western Illinois - W
348. South Carolina State - W

---Charleston Classic---
24. UMass - L
85. UAB - L
138. Georgia - W

306. Northern Illinois - W

---B1G/ACC Challenge---
120. Miami - W

18. @Creighton - L
182. Arkansas State
342. The Citadel
31. @Cincinnati

Other teams of interest:
49. Maryland (5-4)
198. Rutgers (4-6)
199. Omaha (6-3)

[49r]

Here is the "I hate Christmas shopping like no other" or "How the heck did Penn State not drop after losing an ugly one to Princeton" or "Wow, look at how far Cincinnati dropped" edition of the KenPom Rankings:

 

Kenpom rankings as of 12-15-13.
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B1G (0-0):
2. Ohio State
7. Wisconsin
13. Iowa
15. Michigan State
25. Michigan
36. Minnesota
39. Indiana
56. Illinois

69. Penn State

87. Purdue

90. Nebraska

114. Northwestern

Non-Conference (7-3):
205. Florida Gulf Coast - W
246. Western Illinois - W
349. South Carolina State - W

---Charleston Classic---
23. UMass - L
84. UAB - L
145. Georgia - W

303. Northern Illinois - W

---B1G/ACC Challenge---
119. Miami - W

18. @Creighton - L
183. Arkansas State - W
342. The Citadel
55. @Cincinnati

Other teams of interest:
54. Maryland (7-4)
197. Rutgers (5-7)
200. Omaha (8-3)

[Sgt Lincoln Osiris]

Surprised Omaha didn't get a bump after the Nevada win last night.

[Norm Peterson]

We should get a pretty good bump when we beat Cincinnati, I would think.

[49r]

Not as big as the bump we'll get for beating Michigan on the 9th!

[PimpMario]

Ohio State doesn't look that tough!

[49r]

Ohio State doesn't look that tough!

 

Are you high?

 

The top five B1G teams scare the bejeezus outta me!

[GoBigRed]

Is KenPom more accurate than the ESPN RPI updated daily by Joe Lunardi? Do they both try and determine the same thing, i.e. predicting the rankings the committee would use to determine the field?

 

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/page/1/sort/RPI

 

ESPN:

1 Wisconsin

12 Ohio State

21 Illinois

24 Iowa

30 Michigan State

51 Minnesota

53 Nebraska

70 Indiana

75 Penn State

95 Purdue

96 Creighton

120 Northwestern

131 Nebraska-Omaha

143 Michigan

 

KenPom:

2. Ohio St.

7. Wisconsin

14. Iowa

15. Michigan State

18. Creighton

23. Michigan

36. Minnesota

38. Indiana

54. Illinois

73. Penn State

82. Purdue

92. Nebraska

115. Northwestern

195. Nebraska-Omaha

 

I think I like ESPN's better.

[hhctony]

Miles -- KenPom is more a predictor and his numbers are not used by the NCAA. He also adds in measures like offensive and defensive efficiency. The ESPN number that Lunardi presents is the actual RPI that the NCAA uses to determine the bracket. That said, Joe's number for Nebraska is wrong. Our actual RPI is in the low 90s.

[49r]

Here are a couple others that I look at periodically.  I personally don't like any of them as well as KenPom though.

 

http://www.rpiforecast.com/confs/B10.html

 

http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_big10_Men.html

[Norm Peterson]

Thanks, 49r, you rock.  But you knew that. 

 

So, realtimerpi.  Mmmm.  They have us right now at 9th in the league, just one spot behind Indiana and 8 spots behind #7 Penn State.  That's a bit ahead of where we were picked, if those numbers stay consistent.