KenPom 2019-2020 KenPom Rankings Thread

[Handy Johnson]

Just saw Penn St, Colorado & Creighton are all 75-1 to win the National Title...!

[49r]

5 hours ago, hhcmatt said:

Miles said on his podcast that he would screen shot KenPom every month

 

It's baffling to me to think about why that would even be worthwhile.  Did he go into any further details on that?

[49r]

53 minutes ago, Handy Johnson said:

Just saw Penn St, Colorado & Creighton are all 75-1 to win the National Title...!

 

In the modern era of the NCAA tournament (generally regarded as since 1979 on although an argument can be made for 1978 which is the first year seeding was used or 1985 when it went to 64 teams but I digress) the three teams mentioned there have combined for a grand total of 1 Sweet 16 appearance.  PSU in 2001.

 

Teams that claim "Sweet 16" or "Elite 8" appearances prior to that time are being a bit disingenuous, seeing as how the field prior to that time was so small a team could get a bye into the round of 16.  But again I digress.

 

It also must be acknowledged that no team west of the Mississippi has won a championship other than Kansas (2008) since Arizona did it 23 years ago.  And in the last 54 years only 5 schools west of the Mississippi has won it.  13 schools west of the Mississippi have ever done it.  And the 8 that did it last prior to 1967 was during a time when most of the east coast schools competed in the more prestigious (at the time) NIT tournament instead of the upstart NCAA tournament.

[Dead Dog Alley]

1 hour ago, Handy Johnson said:

Just saw Penn St, Colorado & Creighton are all 75-1 to win the National Title...!

 

So, if you were to put $10,000 on Creighton to win it all, and they did, and you won $750,000, would you still be pissed off because Creighton won?

 

I believe that I would be.

[Handy Johnson]

13 minutes ago, 49r said:

 

In the modern era of the NCAA tournament (generally regarded as since 1979 on although an argument can be made for 1978 which is the first year seeding was used or 1985 when it went to 64 teams but I digress) the three teams mentioned there have combined for a grand total of 1 Sweet 16 appearance.  PSU in 2001.

 

Teams that claim "Sweet 16" or "Elite 8" appearances prior to that time are being a bit disingenuous, seeing as how the field prior to that time was so small a team could get a bye into the round of 16.  But again I digress.

 

It also must be acknowledged that no team west of the Mississippi has won a championship other than Kansas (2008) since Arizona did it 23 years ago.  And in the last 54 years only 5 schools west of the Mississippi has won it.  13 schools west of the Mississippi have ever done it.  And the 8 that did it last prior to 1967 was during a time when most of the east coast schools competed in the more prestigious (at the time) NIT tournament instead of the upstart NCAA tournament.

SO... yer saying I should bet on Kansas?

[Handy Johnson]

*Editors note* I should mention I won the Tournament bracket in TWO different bars last year. In one of them I failed to pick the winner but accumulated so many points in the early rounds that I nipped my opponent @ the wire.... kidding aside, that is a fascinating “deep dive” you lay out there 49er, thanks  

[49r]

6 minutes ago, Handy Johnson said:

SO... yer saying I should bet on Kansas?

 

Nah...Bill Self is a notorious choker when it comes to the NCAA tourney.    

 

Oregon might be a better "west of the Mississippi" bet IMO.  Payton Pritchard is the kind of player that can take a team DEEP into the tourney, plus he's been to the Final 4 before already.

[hhcmatt]

1 hour ago, 49r said:

 

It's baffling to me to think about why that would even be worthwhile.  Did he go into any further details on that?

 

Historical reference I think

[49r]

11 hours ago, hhcmatt said:

 

Historical reference I think

 

 

Sure, but there's already a ton of historical data up on his site as it is.

[AuroranHusker]

13 hours ago, 49r said:

 

Sure, but there's already a ton of historical data up on his site as it is.

 

Miles liked to prove KenPom wrong.

 

 

[jimmykc]

Speaking of historic interest, 49er's post and the fact that I am presently reading a book on CCNY's NCAA championship (and scandal) in 1950 made me look up all of the NCAA winners since 1930. Of course that includes UCLA's Wooden era. Using that yardstick, West Coast teams outnumber Big !0 champions, 16-11. Brought back some memories too. I vaguely recall KU's Phog Allen and Clyde Lovellette team of 1952. The first game I remember listening to on the radio was the Tom Gola- led LaSalle team in 1954. The first game I saw on tv (since we didn't get one until 1957) was the triple overtime classic that year when North Carolina beat Wilt's KU team in triple overtime. It was only televised locally because it happened to be played at the old KC Municipal Auditorium (we could only get reception from Kansas City since we lived nearby). Didn't much matter because there were only three networks, anyway. Times seem to have changed a bit, but at least the ball is still round.  

[Cazzie22]

San Diego St, Gonzaga, Kansas and Baylor could all be possible #1 seeds West of the Mississippi River.  Won’t happen.  My earliest TV memory of NCAA Tourney is Don Haskins Texas Western group beating Pat Riley, Tommy Kron, Thad Jarasz, Larry Conley and Louis Dampier’s Kentucky squad.  

[jimmykc]

And don't forget that Moe Iba was the assistant on the 1966 Texas Western team. Interesting sidenotes: KU would have been playing in that game if instant replay had been available because JoJo White drained a game winning shot in overtime against them in the regionals but one of the two refs thought he had stepped out of bounds. Also, my brother-in-law attended the same high school in El Paso (Austin) as reserve guard David Palacio on that team.

[49r]

No major changes except Purdue shooting up about 15 spots and Maryland moves past Sparty for the top spot.

 

Here's today's KenPom update.

 

KenPom rankings as of 02-09-20
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B1G (2-10)
8. Maryland
10. Michigan State
11. Ohio State - L
13. Purdue - W
14. Penn State - L
18. Iowa - W, L
22. Michigan - L
27. Illinois
28. Rutgers - L, L
31. Minnesota
34. Wisconsin - L
46. Indiana - L, L
119. Northwestern - L
138. Nebraska

 

Non-Conference (5-6)
214. UC Riverside - L
133. Southern Utah - L
111. South Dakota State - W
305. Southern - W

 

---Cayman Islands Classic---
131. Washington State - W
171. George Mason - L
122. South Florida - W

 

---B1G/ACC Challenge---
85. @Georgia Tech - L

 

25. @Creighton - L
229. North Dakota - L
288. Texas A&M Corpus Christi - W

[Handy Johnson]

I’d ALMOST forgotten we lost to North Dakota (and it wasn’t a Hockey game)

[Chuck Taylor]

2 minutes ago, Handy Johnson said:

I’d ALMOST forgotten we lost to North Dakota (and it wasn’t a Hockey game)

The BIG season has been disappointing, to say the least, but we had a complete roster rebuild and the league is unbelievably strong. it's the noncon that I still can't fathom. We lost three at home to really bad teams. Could see maybe one game like that, but not three. Oh, well.

[Handy Johnson]

4 hours ago, Chuck Taylor said:

The BIG season has been disappointing, to say the least, but we had a complete roster rebuild and the league is unbelievably strong. it's the noncon that I still can't fathom. We lost three at home to really bad teams. Could see maybe one game like that, but not three. Oh, well.

That UC Riverside opener set an ominous tone...

[hskr4life]

It’s too bad we couldn’t have pulled off that upset over SUU.  

Edited February 9, 2020 by hskr4life

[AuroranHusker]

7 hours ago, hskr4life said:

It’s too bad we couldn’t have pulled off that upset over SUU.  

 

Nebraska had to go to overtime to defeat Southern. Any win this season is better than none. 

[hskr4life]

10 hours ago, AuroranHusker said:

 

Nebraska had to go to overtime to defeat Southern. Any win this season is better than none. 

 

It's just crazy to me to see SUU that high in the rankings.  

[hhcmatt]

In terms of 'worst KenPom ranking by a new Nebraska coach', Fred is walking the line

 

 

2013    136    Tim Miles

2020    132    Fred Hoiberg

2001    83    Barry Collier

2007    82    Doc Sadler

[Handy Johnson]

I’ve GOTTA believe we’ve got at least 2-3 wins left in us. Maybe a little run in the B1G ala last spring, end the season on a high note, then the “Big Payback” tour begins!

[AuroranHusker]

7 hours ago, Handy Johnson said:

I’ve GOTTA believe we’ve got at least 2-3 wins left in us. Maybe a little run in the B1G ala last spring, end the season on a high note, then the “Big Payback” tour begins!

 

Man, after that MD game, I'm still hoping for that 10+ win season for NU. GBR nonetheless

[49r]

On 2/12/2020 at 9:44 AM, hhcmatt said:

In terms of 'worst KenPom ranking by a new Nebraska coach', Fred is walking the line

 

 

2013    136    Tim Miles

2020    132    Fred Hoiberg

2001    83    Barry Collier

2007    82    Doc Sadler

 

Whenever I get a little worried about if Fred is gonna get this ship turned around, I just go take a peek at https://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/ and I can almost instantly find something over there that assures me that we'll be just fine. 

[hhcmatt]

2 minutes ago, 49r said:

 

Whenever I get a little worried about if Fred is gonna get this ship turned around, I just go take a peek at https://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/ and I can almost instantly find something over there that assures me that we'll be just fine. 

 

Not real sure I'm ready to commit to drinking any amount of Natty Light