uneblinstu's post game chatter vol 8, no 29: The Shining

[nustudent]

 

 

 

 

I wouldn't exactly say the PBA has been packed. I'm not whining about the fans, I'm describing who they are.

 

Nebraska basketball fans are unbelievably loyal. Nebraska won 19 games two years ago and it was like a religious revival. 

 

Nebraska is 11-22 in the Big Ten the last two years. That there is 9,000 fans in that arena, much less 14,000 fans, is a testament to the arena and the fans who fill it. Not the product on the court. 

 

I'll disagree slightly that it's not about the product on the floor.  Everything is relative.  If you look at the quality of basketball, the product on the court this year is light years ahead of the last couple years under Doc.  I loved Doc but the basketball was nearly unwatchable.  Slow, grind it out games and no real athleticism on the court.  This year the quality of basketball was fairly good, the offensive flow was better than the last few years (including the NCAA team two years ago).  The W/L results aren't what we want them to be and if that's the only way you judge the quality of the product on the court, then the quality isn't good.  However, most of the games we have played have been fun to watch and the level of play and athleticism is significantly higher than the past few years (except for two years ago).

 

I find it funny to hear all the gnashing of teeth going on about a team that essentially lived up to the preseason expectations.  Nobody expected us to be in the NCAA's this year and everyone predicted us to be about a .500 team.  I don't remember anyone saying the freshmen were "Fab 5" types and going to be the saviors of the program.  They were definitely the most heralded class we have had in years but I don't think any of them were Top 50 players in their class (except if you include Andrew).  It's comical seeing the writers comment about how the class didn't live up to the hype and how the season has been a disappointment.  

 

At the end of the day, we brought in a solid group of freshmen, played to expectations and appear to have a solid nucleus of players coming back.  We clearly need more and better big men and to continue to improve but the foundation appears to have been laid for the future.  Are we exactly where we want to be at this very moment - NO! Should we settle for what the results are today? ABSOLUTELY NOT! But I don't see why people are so upset/surprised by where we are right now.  Maybe I'm just missing something. 

 

This is pretty spot on

[huskerbaseball13]

 

 

 

 

I wouldn't exactly say the PBA has been packed. I'm not whining about the fans, I'm describing who they are.

 

Nebraska basketball fans are unbelievably loyal. Nebraska won 19 games two years ago and it was like a religious revival. 

 

Nebraska is 11-22 in the Big Ten the last two years. That there is 9,000 fans in that arena, much less 14,000 fans, is a testament to the arena and the fans who fill it. Not the product on the court. 

 

I'll disagree slightly that it's not about the product on the floor.  Everything is relative.  If you look at the quality of basketball, the product on the court this year is light years ahead of the last couple years under Doc.  I loved Doc but the basketball was nearly unwatchable.  Slow, grind it out games and no real athleticism on the court.  This year the quality of basketball was fairly good, the offensive flow was better than the last few years (including the NCAA team two years ago).  The W/L results aren't what we want them to be and if that's the only way you judge the quality of the product on the court, then the quality isn't good.  However, most of the games we have played have been fun to watch and the level of play and athleticism is significantly higher than the past few years (except for two years ago).

 

I find it funny to hear all the gnashing of teeth going on about a team that essentially lived up to the preseason expectations.  Nobody expected us to be in the NCAA's this year and everyone predicted us to be about a .500 team.  I don't remember anyone saying the freshmen were "Fab 5" types and going to be the saviors of the program.  They were definitely the most heralded class we have had in years but I don't think any of them were Top 50 players in their class (except if you include Andrew).  It's comical seeing the writers comment about how the class didn't live up to the hype and how the season has been a disappointment.  

 

At the end of the day, we brought in a solid group of freshmen, played to expectations and appear to have a solid nucleus of players coming back.  We clearly need more and better big men and to continue to improve but the foundation appears to have been laid for the future.  Are we exactly where we want to be at this very moment - NO! Should we settle for what the results are today? ABSOLUTELY NOT! But I don't see why people are so upset/surprised by where we are right now.  Maybe I'm just missing something. 

 

 

 

People see us getting beat by a rented mule down low and thus far we don't have solution for that going forward.  If we can sign a big man that can help next year(5th year transfer)...I think that will calm alot of fears going forward.  We will likely be predicted to finish anywhere from 10th-13th in the Big Ten next year....will that make it okay since that's where people expected us to be?  Not for me...we should at the very least be on the bubble this time next year and at the very worst...make the NIT. 

 

Sam's point remains no matter what the style of play is...most schools with Nebrasketball history and a team that is 11-25 the past two years in conference play is likely not close to selling out their building.     

[Buglem]

 

 

 

 

 

I wouldn't exactly say the PBA has been packed. I'm not whining about the fans, I'm describing who they are.

 

Nebraska basketball fans are unbelievably loyal. Nebraska won 19 games two years ago and it was like a religious revival. 

 

Nebraska is 11-22 in the Big Ten the last two years. That there is 9,000 fans in that arena, much less 14,000 fans, is a testament to the arena and the fans who fill it. Not the product on the court. 

 

I'll disagree slightly that it's not about the product on the floor.  Everything is relative.  If you look at the quality of basketball, the product on the court this year is light years ahead of the last couple years under Doc.  I loved Doc but the basketball was nearly unwatchable.  Slow, grind it out games and no real athleticism on the court.  This year the quality of basketball was fairly good, the offensive flow was better than the last few years (including the NCAA team two years ago).  The W/L results aren't what we want them to be and if that's the only way you judge the quality of the product on the court, then the quality isn't good.  However, most of the games we have played have been fun to watch and the level of play and athleticism is significantly higher than the past few years (except for two years ago).

 

I find it funny to hear all the gnashing of teeth going on about a team that essentially lived up to the preseason expectations.  Nobody expected us to be in the NCAA's this year and everyone predicted us to be about a .500 team.  I don't remember anyone saying the freshmen were "Fab 5" types and going to be the saviors of the program.  They were definitely the most heralded class we have had in years but I don't think any of them were Top 50 players in their class (except if you include Andrew).  It's comical seeing the writers comment about how the class didn't live up to the hype and how the season has been a disappointment.  

 

At the end of the day, we brought in a solid group of freshmen, played to expectations and appear to have a solid nucleus of players coming back.  We clearly need more and better big men and to continue to improve but the foundation appears to have been laid for the future.  Are we exactly where we want to be at this very moment - NO! Should we settle for what the results are today? ABSOLUTELY NOT! But I don't see why people are so upset/surprised by where we are right now.  Maybe I'm just missing something. 

 

 

 

People see us getting beat by a rented mule down low and thus far we don't have solution for that going forward.  If we can sign a big man that can help next year(5th year transfer)...I think that will calm alot of fears going forward.  We will likely be predicted to finish anywhere from 10th-13th in the Big Ten next year....will that make it okay since that's where people expected us to be?  Not for me...we should at the very least be on the bubble this time next year and at the very worst...make the NIT. 

 

Sam's point remains no matter what the style of play is...most schools with Nebrasketball history and a team that is 11-25 the past two years in conference play is likely not close to selling out their building.     

 

Absolutely agree with Sam's point about how great our fan support is.  Only thing I was challenging was the quality of play comment.  Without a doubt our fans are awesome and support the team better than most would with similar results!

[hhcmatt]

 

 

 

I wouldn't exactly say the PBA has been packed. I'm not whining about the fans, I'm describing who they are.

 

Nebraska basketball fans are unbelievably loyal. Nebraska won 19 games two years ago and it was like a religious revival. 

 

Nebraska is 11-22 in the Big Ten the last two years. That there is 9,000 fans in that arena, much less 14,000 fans, is a testament to the arena and the fans who fill it. Not the product on the court. 

 

 

There were about 2500 people last night watching Northwestern at Penn St.

[49r]

That's nothing.

 

Top-20 Baylor can't even sell out their 10,000 seat arena.  They got 8,200 for their last home game...against #1 Kansas.

 

Their previous few home games weren't any better:

 

5,500 for Iowa State

7,500 for Texas Tech

6,000 for Texas

[hhcmatt]

That's nothing.

 

Top-20 Baylor can't even sell out their 10,000 seat arena.  They got 8,200 for their last home game...against #1 Kansas.

 

Their previous few home games weren't any better:

 

5,500 for Iowa State

7,500 for Texas Tech

6,000 for Texas

 

This is the sort of stuff people are referring to when calling Nebraska fans "the greatest fans"

[swmckewon]

 

 

 

 

I wouldn't exactly say the PBA has been packed. I'm not whining about the fans, I'm describing who they are.

 

Nebraska basketball fans are unbelievably loyal. Nebraska won 19 games two years ago and it was like a religious revival. 

 

Nebraska is 11-22 in the Big Ten the last two years. That there is 9,000 fans in that arena, much less 14,000 fans, is a testament to the arena and the fans who fill it. Not the product on the court. 

 

I'll disagree slightly that it's not about the product on the floor.  Everything is relative.  If you look at the quality of basketball, the product on the court this year is light years ahead of the last couple years under Doc.  I loved Doc but the basketball was nearly unwatchable.  Slow, grind it out games and no real athleticism on the court.  This year the quality of basketball was fairly good, the offensive flow was better than the last few years (including the NCAA team two years ago).  The W/L results aren't what we want them to be and if that's the only way you judge the quality of the product on the court, then the quality isn't good.  However, most of the games we have played have been fun to watch and the level of play and athleticism is significantly higher than the past few years (except for two years ago).

 

I find it funny to hear all the gnashing of teeth going on about a team that essentially lived up to the preseason expectations.  Nobody expected us to be in the NCAA's this year and everyone predicted us to be about a .500 team.  I don't remember anyone saying the freshmen were "Fab 5" types and going to be the saviors of the program.  They were definitely the most heralded class we have had in years but I don't think any of them were Top 50 players in their class (except if you include Andrew).  It's comical seeing the writers comment about how the class didn't live up to the hype and how the season has been a disappointment.  

 

At the end of the day, we brought in a solid group of freshmen, played to expectations and appear to have a solid nucleus of players coming back.  We clearly need more and better big men and to continue to improve but the foundation appears to have been laid for the future.  Are we exactly where we want to be at this very moment - NO! Should we settle for what the results are today? ABSOLUTELY NOT! But I don't see why people are so upset/surprised by where we are right now.  Maybe I'm just missing something. 

 

I wasn't surprised by the season, although I expected 16-17 wins. 

 

The point is that a nearly sold-out building -- 14,000-15,000 fans -- is not related to a team's sterling product, because the product isn't sterling. It's mediocre. That's what the record says. That's what the RPI and KenPom says. Nebraska's fans, on the other hand, are not mediocre. They're sterling. 

 

Are there reasons why Nebraska fans show up so well? Sure. The building helps. The location of the building helps. Tim Miles, a guy who most people get a kick out of and like watching on the sidelines, helps. But, generally, it's just Nebraskans being excellent, consistent fans. 

[Buglem]

I wouldn't exactly say the PBA has been packed. I'm not whining about the fans, I'm describing who they are.

Nebraska basketball fans are unbelievably loyal. Nebraska won 19 games two years ago and it was like a religious revival. 

 

Nebraska is 11-22 in the Big Ten the last two years. That there is 9,000 fans in that arena, much less 14,000 fans, is a testament to the arena and the fans who fill it. Not the product on the court.

I'll disagree slightly that it's not about the product on the floor.  Everything is relative.  If you look at the quality of basketball, the product on the court this year is light years ahead of the last couple years under Doc.  I loved Doc but the basketball was nearly unwatchable.  Slow, grind it out games and no real athleticism on the court.  This year the quality of basketball was fairly good, the offensive flow was better than the last few years (including the NCAA team two years ago).  The W/L results aren't what we want them to be and if that's the only way you judge the quality of the product on the court, then the quality isn't good.  However, most of the games we have played have been fun to watch and the level of play and athleticism is significantly higher than the past few years (except for two years ago).

 

I find it funny to hear all the gnashing of teeth going on about a team that essentially lived up to the preseason expectations.  Nobody expected us to be in the NCAA's this year and everyone predicted us to be about a .500 team.  I don't remember anyone saying the freshmen were "Fab 5" types and going to be the saviors of the program.  They were definitely the most heralded class we have had in years but I don't think any of them were Top 50 players in their class (except if you include Andrew).  It's comical seeing the writers comment about how the class didn't live up to the hype and how the season has been a disappointment.  

 

At the end of the day, we brought in a solid group of freshmen, played to expectations and appear to have a solid nucleus of players coming back.  We clearly need more and better big men and to continue to improve but the foundation appears to have been laid for the future.  Are we exactly where we want to be at this very moment - NO! Should we settle for what the results are today? ABSOLUTELY NOT! But I don't see why people are so upset/surprised by where we are right now.  Maybe I'm just missing something.

I wasn't surprised by the season, although I expected 16-17 wins. 

 

The point is that a nearly sold-out building -- 14,000-15,000 fans -- is not related to a team's sterling product, because the product isn't sterling. It's mediocre. That's what the record says. That's what the RPI and KenPom says. Nebraska's fans, on the other hand, are not mediocre. They're sterling. 

 

Are there reasons why Nebraska fans show up so well? Sure. The building helps. The location of the building helps. Tim Miles, a guy who most people get a kick out of and like watching on the sidelines, helps. But, generally, it's just Nebraskans being excellent, consistent fans.

Sounds like we are in agreement, our fans are amazing!

[atskooc]

I wouldn't exactly say the PBA has been packed. I'm not whining about the fans, I'm describing who they are.

Nebraska basketball fans are unbelievably loyal. Nebraska won 19 games two years ago and it was like a religious revival. 

 

Nebraska is 11-22 in the Big Ten the last two years. That there is 9,000 fans in that arena, much less 14,000 fans, is a testament to the arena and the fans who fill it. Not the product on the court.

I'll disagree slightly that it's not about the product on the floor.  Everything is relative.  If you look at the quality of basketball, the product on the court this year is light years ahead of the last couple years under Doc.  I loved Doc but the basketball was nearly unwatchable.  Slow, grind it out games and no real athleticism on the court.  This year the quality of basketball was fairly good, the offensive flow was better than the last few years (including the NCAA team two years ago).  The W/L results aren't what we want them to be and if that's the only way you judge the quality of the product on the court, then the quality isn't good.  However, most of the games we have played have been fun to watch and the level of play and athleticism is significantly higher than the past few years (except for two years ago).

 

I find it funny to hear all the gnashing of teeth going on about a team that essentially lived up to the preseason expectations.  Nobody expected us to be in the NCAA's this year and everyone predicted us to be about a .500 team.  I don't remember anyone saying the freshmen were "Fab 5" types and going to be the saviors of the program.  They were definitely the most heralded class we have had in years but I don't think any of them were Top 50 players in their class (except if you include Andrew).  It's comical seeing the writers comment about how the class didn't live up to the hype and how the season has been a disappointment.  

 

At the end of the day, we brought in a solid group of freshmen, played to expectations and appear to have a solid nucleus of players coming back.  We clearly need more and better big men and to continue to improve but the foundation appears to have been laid for the future.  Are we exactly where we want to be at this very moment - NO! Should we settle for what the results are today? ABSOLUTELY NOT! But I don't see why people are so upset/surprised by where we are right now.  Maybe I'm just missing something.

I wasn't surprised by the season, although I expected 16-17 wins. 

 

The point is that a nearly sold-out building -- 14,000-15,000 fans -- is not related to a team's sterling product, because the product isn't sterling. It's mediocre. That's what the record says. That's what the RPI and KenPom says. Nebraska's fans, on the other hand, are not mediocre. They're sterling. 

 

Are there reasons why Nebraska fans show up so well? Sure. The building helps. The location of the building helps. Tim Miles, a guy who most people get a kick out of and like watching on the sidelines, helps. But, generally, it's just Nebraskans being excellent, consistent fans.

Except when they leave early and get berated by fellow fans.

[Ron Mexico]

That's nothing.

 

Top-20 Baylor can't even sell out their 10,000 seat arena.  They got 8,200 for their last home game...against #1 Kansas.

 

Their previous few home games weren't any better:

 

5,500 for Iowa State

7,500 for Texas Tech

6,000 for Texas

Comparing ourselves to Baylor, a private Baptist school 

How do we compare with our biggest competitor in the state.   Perhaps there is more at play here than the "awesomeness" of Husker fans.

[Ron Mexico]

 

 

 

 

I wouldn't exactly say the PBA has been packed. I'm not whining about the fans, I'm describing who they are.

 

Nebraska basketball fans are unbelievably loyal. Nebraska won 19 games two years ago and it was like a religious revival. 

 

Nebraska is 11-22 in the Big Ten the last two years. That there is 9,000 fans in that arena, much less 14,000 fans, is a testament to the arena and the fans who fill it. Not the product on the court. 

 

 

This is true. Any other comparable university and the attendance is probably somewhere around 4,000-7,000 fans.

 

How do we compare with other D1 schools, in large population cities, where there are no other P5 schools or professional sports teams? Creighton joined the Big East in 2013.

 

I went back starting with the year 2000 and took a look at the data and here is what I found.

• The combined population of Ames and Iowa City is 100K+ less than Lincoln, with Omaha being the largest.
• All 3 arenas are relatively the same size now, with CU being the largest, although they moved into the Qwest/Link from the Civic in 2003.
• While Nebraska had 3 different coaches during that time period so did Iowa; and Iowa State had 4 different coaches, while CU had 2.
• Regular season attendance average had Nebraska in last place by almost 25%. CU had the largest attendance average including the Civic attendance.
• Regular season record saw Nebraska 1 game above 50%, with Iowa at 55% and ISU at 58%. CU has a nearly won 70% of their games including their time in the Mo Valley.

What does all this have to do with Nebraska fans? Well it shows that there is nothing special about our fan base when compared to our most comparable competitors.

[Ron Mexico]

 

 

 

 

I wouldn't exactly say the PBA has been packed. I'm not whining about the fans, I'm describing who they are.

 

Nebraska basketball fans are unbelievably loyal. Nebraska won 19 games two years ago and it was like a religious revival. 

 

Nebraska is 11-22 in the Big Ten the last two years. That there is 9,000 fans in that arena, much less 14,000 fans, is a testament to the arena and the fans who fill it. Not the product on the court. 

 

 

 

So what you are saying is that they are loyal when we are winning. I agree.

[huskerbaseball13]

I wouldn't exactly say the PBA has been packed. I'm not whining about the fans, I'm describing who they are.

Nebraska basketball fans are unbelievably loyal. Nebraska won 19 games two years ago and it was like a religious revival.

Nebraska is 11-22 in the Big Ten the last two years. That there is 9,000 fans in that arena, much less 14,000 fans, is a testament to the arena and the fans who fill it. Not the product on the court.

So what you are saying is that they are loyal when we are winning. I agree.

You may want to read his post again. In your mind a 11-25 Big Ten record the past two years may be winning but most would beg to differ. Yet...the fans continue to show up in large numbers. It would seem we are pretty loyal thru thick and thin. Must be tough to feel so much disdain for a great fanbase and yet still and try to root for the athletic programs. Very sad.

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[huskerbaseball13]

I wouldn't exactly say the PBA has been packed. I'm not whining about the fans, I'm describing who they are.

Nebraska basketball fans are unbelievably loyal. Nebraska won 19 games two years ago and it was like a religious revival.

Nebraska is 11-22 in the Big Ten the last two years. That there is 9,000 fans in that arena, much less 14,000 fans, is a testament to the arena and the fans who fill it. Not the product on the court.

This is true. Any other comparable university and the attendance is probably somewhere around 4,000-7,000 fans.

How do we compare with other D1 schools, in large population cities, where there are no other P5 schools or professional sports teams? Creighton joined the Big East in 2013.

I went back starting with the year 2000 and took a look at the data and here is what I found.

• The combined population of Ames and Iowa City is 100K+ less than Lincoln, with Omaha being the largest.
• All 3 arenas are relatively the same size now, with CU being the largest, although they moved into the Qwest/Link from the Civic in 2003.
• While Nebraska had 3 different coaches during that time period so did Iowa; and Iowa State had 4 different coaches, while CU had 2.
• Regular season attendance average had Nebraska in last place by almost 25%. CU had the largest attendance average including the Civic attendance.
• Regular season record saw Nebraska 1 game above 50%, with Iowa at 55% and ISU at 58%. CU has a nearly won 70% of their games including their time in the Mo Valley.

What does all this have to do with Nebraska fans? Well it shows that there is nothing special about our fan base when compared to our most comparable competitors.

And had the above sucked like we have and for as long non would come close to selling out the building. Why start in 2000? How about 1990? How about 1980? You can keep trying to discredit our fanbase because your feelings got hurt when Mark was canned but we will continue to show up in droves to watch mediocre products. If we can ever get back to winning again....watch out. But remember the next time you whine about the AD and Riley...try to step down off your high horse and come down to the level of the "entitled" fans.

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[49r]

What I want to know is how Baylor (a private baptist school) is not an adequate comparison to Nebraska for analysis of attendance numbers, but Creighton (a private jesuit school) is?

[Silverbacked1]

less baptists in the world

[49r]

Oh, and just FWIW, Baylor's enrollment (along with their endowment) is almost exactly double Creighton's.

 

Also, Waco's metro population is just a few thousand less than Lincoln.  Not to mention there are approximately 18 million people within about a 3 hour drive of Waco.

[jimmykc]

 I wonder how many Bluejay fans would show up at Baylor if they switched teams? Remember, they do not allow cocktail drinking in the concourse in Waco.

[swmckewon]

 

 

 

 

 

I wouldn't exactly say the PBA has been packed. I'm not whining about the fans, I'm describing who they are.

 

Nebraska basketball fans are unbelievably loyal. Nebraska won 19 games two years ago and it was like a religious revival. 

 

Nebraska is 11-22 in the Big Ten the last two years. That there is 9,000 fans in that arena, much less 14,000 fans, is a testament to the arena and the fans who fill it. Not the product on the court. 

 

 

This is true. Any other comparable university and the attendance is probably somewhere around 4,000-7,000 fans.

 

How do we compare with other D1 schools, in large population cities, where there are no other P5 schools or professional sports teams? Creighton joined the Big East in 2013.

 

I went back starting with the year 2000 and took a look at the data and here is what I found.

• The combined population of Ames and Iowa City is 100K+ less than Lincoln, with Omaha being the largest.
• All 3 arenas are relatively the same size now, with CU being the largest, although they moved into the Qwest/Link from the Civic in 2003.
• While Nebraska had 3 different coaches during that time period so did Iowa; and Iowa State had 4 different coaches, while CU had 2.
• Regular season attendance average had Nebraska in last place by almost 25%. CU had the largest attendance average including the Civic attendance.
• Regular season record saw Nebraska 1 game above 50%, with Iowa at 55% and ISU at 58%. CU has a nearly won 70% of their games including their time in the Mo Valley.

What does all this have to do with Nebraska fans? Well it shows that there is nothing special about our fan base when compared to our most comparable competitors.

 

 

Nebraska had the worst product on the court (by far), and, until recently, played in an arena so epically bland that it almost had a bizarre power all its own. It was like visiting an arena from 1983 Soviet-era Europe or something. 

 

Hey, you think Nebraska fans aren't all that, OK. There's massive evidence to the contrary, but, hey, to each their own. 

[49r]

 I wonder how many Bluejay fans would show up at Baylor if they switched teams? Remember, they do not allow cocktail drinking in the concourse in Waco.

 

The more important question is, how many baptist Baylor Bear fans would show up if they played games at Clink where the beer flows freely like wine!

[Ron Mexico]

 

 

 

 

I wouldn't exactly say the PBA has been packed. I'm not whining about the fans, I'm describing who they are.

Nebraska basketball fans are unbelievably loyal. Nebraska won 19 games two years ago and it was like a religious revival.

Nebraska is 11-22 in the Big Ten the last two years. That there is 9,000 fans in that arena, much less 14,000 fans, is a testament to the arena and the fans who fill it. Not the product on the court.

This is true. Any other comparable university and the attendance is probably somewhere around 4,000-7,000 fans.

How do we compare with other D1 schools, in large population cities, where there are no other P5 schools or professional sports teams? Creighton joined the Big East in 2013.

I went back starting with the year 2000 and took a look at the data and here is what I found.

• The combined population of Ames and Iowa City is 100K+ less than Lincoln, with Omaha being the largest.
• All 3 arenas are relatively the same size now, with CU being the largest, although they moved into the Qwest/Link from the Civic in 2003.
• While Nebraska had 3 different coaches during that time period so did Iowa; and Iowa State had 4 different coaches, while CU had 2.
• Regular season attendance average had Nebraska in last place by almost 25%. CU had the largest attendance average including the Civic attendance.
• Regular season record saw Nebraska 1 game above 50%, with Iowa at 55% and ISU at 58%. CU has a nearly won 70% of their games including their time in the Mo Valley.

What does all this have to do with Nebraska fans? Well it shows that there is nothing special about our fan base when compared to our most comparable competitors.

And had the above sucked like we have and for as long non would come close to selling out the building. Why start in 2000? How about 1990? How about 1980? You can keep trying to discredit our fanbase because your feelings got hurt when Mark was canned but we will continue to show up in droves to watch mediocre products. If we can ever get back to winning again....watch out. But remember the next time you whine about the AD and Riley...try to step down off your high horse and come down to the level of the "entitled" fans.

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Why the year 2000, because 15yrs should be enough data. The numbers don't lie. As for football the clock is ticking on the Accidental AD and Smiling Mike. A couple of more years and all the media hype in the world won't be able to save them. 

[jimmykc]

Always good to have one of the ink stained minions of the fourth estate stop by but if Sam thinks the old BDSC had no panache he is obviously too young to have experienced the "good old" Danny Nee years or even the Moe Iba era when the old Bob was packed to the rafters. My personal feeling is that Nebraska fans are simply fans and turn out to any event which is more entertaining than any alternative. And, yes, it is more pleasant to watch the home team win.

[Ron Mexico]

What I want to know is how Baylor (a private baptist school) is not an adequate comparison to Nebraska for analysis of attendance numbers, but Creighton (a private jesuit school) is?

Why, because they aren't the only P5 school in the state, with lots of other professional sports team and things to do other than go to a basketball game. That's why it isn't an adequate comparison.

[AuroranHusker]

 

 

 

 

 

I wouldn't exactly say the PBA has been packed. I'm not whining about the fans, I'm describing who they are.

Nebraska basketball fans are unbelievably loyal. Nebraska won 19 games two years ago and it was like a religious revival.

Nebraska is 11-22 in the Big Ten the last two years. That there is 9,000 fans in that arena, much less 14,000 fans, is a testament to the arena and the fans who fill it. Not the product on the court.

This is true. Any other comparable university and the attendance is probably somewhere around 4,000-7,000 fans.

How do we compare with other D1 schools, in large population cities, where there are no other P5 schools or professional sports teams? Creighton joined the Big East in 2013.

I went back starting with the year 2000 and took a look at the data and here is what I found.

• The combined population of Ames and Iowa City is 100K+ less than Lincoln, with Omaha being the largest.
• All 3 arenas are relatively the same size now, with CU being the largest, although they moved into the Qwest/Link from the Civic in 2003.
• While Nebraska had 3 different coaches during that time period so did Iowa; and Iowa State had 4 different coaches, while CU had 2.
• Regular season attendance average had Nebraska in last place by almost 25%. CU had the largest attendance average including the Civic attendance.
• Regular season record saw Nebraska 1 game above 50%, with Iowa at 55% and ISU at 58%. CU has a nearly won 70% of their games including their time in the Mo Valley.

What does all this have to do with Nebraska fans? Well it shows that there is nothing special about our fan base when compared to our most comparable competitors.

And had the above sucked like we have and for as long non would come close to selling out the building. Why start in 2000? How about 1990? How about 1980? You can keep trying to discredit our fanbase because your feelings got hurt when Mark was canned but we will continue to show up in droves to watch mediocre products. If we can ever get back to winning again....watch out. But remember the next time you whine about the AD and Riley...try to step down off your high horse and come down to the level of the "entitled" fans.

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Why the year 2000, because 15yrs should be enough data. The numbers don't lie. As for football the clock is ticking on the Accidental AD and Smiling Mike. A couple of more years and all the media hype in the world won't be able to save them. 

 

 

Still seems arbitrary. Try 25 years and then get back to us. Thanks in advance, RM.

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What I want to know is how Baylor (a private baptist school) is not an adequate comparison to Nebraska for analysis of attendance numbers, but Creighton (a private jesuit school) is?

Why, because they aren't the only P5 school in the state, with lots of other professional sports team and things to do other than go to a basketball game. That's why it isn't an adequate comparison.

 

 

In an area with 10 times the population of the state of Nebraska, one would expect there are enough folks looking for things to do to go around amongst the 5 P5 schools, 1 NHL and 3 NBA teams.  Besides, you originally seemed only concerned about the "private baptist school" thing as the differentiating factor between Nebraska and Baylor, and now you've moved the goalpost.  So, okay, no problem.  I'll play.

 

By the way, did you know that Baylor has 14,000 undergrad students (not exactly tiny)?  Nebraska has 20,000 (not exactly what you'd call a public colossus) and Creighton has 7,000 (a less appropriate comparison to Nebraska than Baylor).  Only one of those three schools plays in an arena that seats 10,000 people.  Only one of those schools has a basketball team that has spent the majority (if not the entirety) of the season ranked in the top 25.  And only one of those schools has trouble getting their arena over half full most nights.

 

Baylor.

 

But, sure, maybe a more appropriate comparison would be Mizzou.  Unlike Nebraska they have 30,000 undergrads.  They are the only P5 school in their state with a mid-major jesuit school down the road (like Nebraska), they do have the St. Louis Blues as pro competition in winter sports (but that could be offset by the 6 million population of the state compared to Nebraska's 1.8), they have a 15,000 seat arena (like Nebraska).  And despite the fact that they are near or at the bottom of their league, one should expect them to be filling their arena to 90% capacity every night like Nebraska does too, right?

 

No?  They don't?  Weird.  I mean if Nebraska fans are no more loyal than any other school's fans then how do you explain it?  Mizzou with a large, non-dulited-by-pro-sports-and-P5-schools population base and Baylor with a huge population base nearby and a highly successful program to boot.

 

I guess it's not because Nebraska fans are particularly loyal and dedicated to their team or anything.  Nope, certainly couldn't be that.