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Agreed on new thread, thank you. 

I'll be honest - I'm not 100% in love with the idea of this match-up zone stuff. It sounds gimmicky. I'd prefer defense to always be about basic man to man, effort, intensity, and passion. Not scheme. Then if you have some other little wrinkles and gimmicks you want to throw in there, it always works out nicely. 

But we'll see - might have just ran that stuff out of necessity there, who knows? 

26 minutes ago, basketballjones said:

Agreed on new thread, thank you. 

 

I'll be honest - I'm not 100% in love with the idea of this match-up zone stuff. It sounds gimmicky. I'd prefer defense to always be about basic man to man, effort, intensity, and passion. Not scheme. Then if you have some other little wrinkles and gimmicks you want to throw in there, it always works out nicely. 

But we'll see - might have just ran that stuff out of necessity there, who knows? 

I guess I didn't know that effort, intensity, and passion were limited to basic man-to-man defense.

I’m game for a pressure zone.  Try something new.  Maybe it gets us there, maybe it doesn’t.

But insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.  So I’m good with doing something different.

I'm a fan of this honestly. Zone pressure defense can work, just need to fill in the right personnel now. I wonder if they adopt a similar principal to what Michigan did last year, zone before the FT line, and once the ball crosses the FT line switch to man. Just a thought, not expecting it. 

But he's had a hand in developing some good post defenders (vernado was very good) and if executed properly, his scheme could work. 

55 minutes ago, atskooc said:

I guess I didn't know that effort, intensity, and passion were limited to basic man-to-man defense.

They aren’t - but from experience, when you start your stuff based off of scheme first, not basic-fundamental principles, you lose on the intangible stuff. 
 

also, see: husker football under frost

You have a point tho - all those things can be taught while implementing anything. I’ve just found that guys who come in with, “well I run this scheme,” don’t last long. Just my opinion.

1 hour ago, basketballjones said:

Agreed on new thread, thank you. 

 

I'll be honest - I'm not 100% in love with the idea of this match-up zone stuff. It sounds gimmicky. I'd prefer defense to always be about basic man to man, effort, intensity, and passion. Not scheme. Then if you have some other little wrinkles and gimmicks you want to throw in there, it always works out nicely. 

But we'll see - might have just ran that stuff out of necessity there, who knows? 

A match up zone can be way more effective than playing man if you run it correctly.  It's not gimmicky.  It can be very effective as your main defense.  It basically like playing man to man but you just play it against the person when they are in your zone. 

Just interesting that you see some coaches in the Big Ten who stay away from zone like it's the plague and do everything they can to avoid it. While others are embracing it.

Just now, HuskerFever said:

Just interesting that you see some coaches in the Big Ten who stay away from zone like it's the plague and do everything they can to avoid it. While others are embracing it.

It's honestly interesting. You see it for spurts with some teams, usually the good ones (probably because they can run it effectively). I think matchup zones are good if you mix it up throughout the game. 

I like teams that play multiple defenses.   

Welcome Coach Howard. 

Not sure how it will work out but we have an assistant who is able to put their scheme into use and who can recruit. 

I just want us to be able to close out on 3's.  

This is sort of a risk given some of the history.  But I am sure he has been fully vetted and the hire means lots of wins.

1 minute ago, Huskerpapa said:

I just want us to be able to close out on 3's.  

This is sort of a risk given some of the history.  But I am sure he has been fully vetted and the hire means lots of wins.

A couple is two.
A few is three or four.
Several is up to five.
A number of is indeterminate.
A lot of is more than five and less than infinity.

So between 15-40 wins.

2 minutes ago, jayschool said:

A couple is two.
A few is three or four.
Several is up to five.
A number of is indeterminate.
A lot of is more than five and less than infinity.

 

So between 15-40 wins.

I would be happy with 15 more than this year's win total...

1 minute ago, Huskerpapa said:

I would be happy with 15 more than this year's win total...

I'd be happy with 1 more if we finish with an 11-game winning streak.

5 minutes ago, Huskerpapa said:

I would be happy with 15 more than this year's wins total...

Fixed that for ya.

3 hours ago, basketballjones said:

They aren’t - but from experience, when you start your stuff based off of scheme first, not basic-fundamental principles, you lose on the intangible stuff. 
 

also, see: husker football under frost

You have a point tho - all those things can be taught while implementing anything. I’ve just found that guys who come in with, “well I run this scheme,” don’t last long. Just my opinion.

Think you are overstating the difference between a match up zone and man to man a bit much.   A good man to man defense looks like a match up zone defense and a good match up zone certainly looks like a good man to man.  One pro is that it can be a little harder to initiate pick and rolls against a match up zone from what I have seen.  It is probably slightly more difficult to box out and rebound out of a match up zone though, as there are times when nobody ends up in your zone down lone, whereas a man to man you should be accounting for somebody obviously.  

I also think so many of the big ten teams play a similar style and the same type of sets tend to relied on to score in this league.  Something that is a little bit different can be a good thing, and you don't lose the ball pressure element.  

Howard was an assistant for Donnie Tyndall and his testimony is what the NCAA used to bury him.

Tyndall name drops Howard as slanderous whenever anyone talks to him about it.

A former administrator from Southern Miss had no problems hiring Howard

Someone else speaks off the record for 60 minutes on Showtime about Tyndall 'masterminding' the academic fraud

By all accounts Donnie Tyndall is a heck of a basketball coach and for the most part is quite likable.  However, it also seems like he was the driver of all the NCAA violations. Howard chose to ride along with Tyndall the first seven years of his career and the cost is Tyndall gets brought up anytime he moves. Looks like he's six years past and has been ok at Troy St and South Alabama.

2 hours ago, hhcmatt said:

Howard was an assistant for Donnie Tyndall and his testimony is what the NCAA used to bury him.

 

Tyndall name drops Howard as slanderous whenever anyone talks to him about it.

A former administrator from Southern Miss had no problems hiring Howard

Someone else speaks off the record for 60 minutes on Showtime about Tyndall 'masterminding' the academic fraud

 

By all accounts Donnie Tyndall is a heck of a basketball coach and for the most part is quite likable.  However, it also seems like he was the driver of all the NCAA violations. Howard chose to ride along with Tyndall the first seven years of his career and the cost is Tyndall gets brought up anytime he moves. Looks like he's six years past and has been ok at Troy St and South Alabama.

Didn't really recall the details of this, so I read up on it last week. Seems like Tyndall got caught and tried to use Howard as his fall guy. Another asst. came out later and confirmed Tyndall was the one behind the scheme. Beyond that Tyndall got caught deleting emails that were evidence and do we really think an asst. coach is gonna plan an elaborate academic fraud scheme without the head guy knowing about it? 

1 minute ago, The Polish Rifle said:

Didn't really recall the details of this, so I read up on it last week. Seems like Tyndall got caught and tried to use Howard as his fall guy. Another asst. came out later and confirmed Tyndall was the one behind the scheme. Beyond that Tyndall got caught deleting emails that were evidence and do we really think an asst. coach is gonna plan an elaborate academic fraud scheme without the head guy knowing about it? 

I did the same thing and basically came to the same conclusion. I'm looking at the fact that he was able to get back into college coaching, albeit at mid majors, after all that and has success in doing so

2 minutes ago, thrasher31 said:

I did the same thing and basically came to the same conclusion. I'm looking at the fact that he was able to get back into college coaching, albeit at mid majors, after all that and has success in doing so

Yeah seems like Howard has paid his dues post Tennessee, and earned the opportunity - hope he makes the most of it! I'm sure he's hungry now that he's getting a 2nd shot at coaching at the P5 level. 

watching Bama vs S. Alabama first half the defense was a man to man with some switching heavy concepts.  Certainly not a match up zone.  Will look forward to watching more deep dives, but there was nothing here to identify any sort of defensive mastermind type qualities.  Reasonably solid but non differentiating type of play.  This was a  later November game against a good team with such bad color commentary I struggled to watch any more of it.  

5 hours ago, royalfan said:

watching Bama vs S. Alabama first half the defense was a man to man with some switching heavy concepts.  Certainly not a match up zone.  Will look forward to watching more deep dives, but there was nothing here to identify any sort of defensive mastermind type qualities.  Reasonably solid but non differentiating type of play.  This was a  later November game against a good team with such bad color commentary I struggled to watch any more of it.  

"@royalfan: Watching the Marist/Delaware State games, so you don't have to."

17 hours ago, hhcmatt said:

Not sure how it will work out but we have an assistant who is able to put their scheme into use and who can recruit. 

Matt you may have answered my biggest question.  Can he recruit?  I don't care what defense we run as long as it leads to us having at least one more point at the end of the game.  I know folks say boxing out is harder with a zone but hell we can't get worse than we were in man to man.