uneblinstu's post game chatter vol 8, no 32: The Scarlet Pawns

[Norm Peterson]

So you're saying that because Benny Parker is Top 10 all time for steals in our "illustrious" program history makes him a great player?

 

/\/\/\/\/\ STRAWMAN ARGUMENT ALERT /\/\/\/\/\/\/\

 

No, that's not what I said or what I'm saying.

 

I said that you contradicted yourself when you claimed, on the one hand, that our freshman class was not what they were cracked up to be and then, on the other hand, claimed that the worst of the five freshmen was a better point guard than a guy who has not only started 75 games in his Husker career but cracked the all-time top10 in career steals.

 

If the second of those statements is true, then the first one cannot be true.

 

If Bakari is better than Benny, then that freshman class is all it was cracked up to be and then some.

 

Both of your statements could be false, but they cannot both be true.

[big red22]

One thing us fans tend to do is get too high after a win and too low after a loss. The huskers won tonight, they should have won. Rutgers is an awful basketball team. Nebraska didn't all of a sudden become a tourney team in 3 days. Still have the same players, same coaches. We will go out and play tomorrow. Badgers are favored and playing well. Although Nebraska got the win tonight, I wouldn't say they are playing well. This team has issues, lots of them. Talent being #1. Needs to be fixed or mr smiles won't be around much longer. If the freshman were what everyone cracked them up to be, you would not be getting swept by Northwestern. Don't let tonight's game against maybe the worst power 5 team outside BC hide the mess

Wrong in so many ways!!!

 

Talent is there... You saying Watson, White, Morrow, Shields don't have talent?  

 

We may be playing bad for multiple reasons, and Talent is not one of them

 

1.  Shields getting injured changed the feel of the team

2.  A team with an athletic Big man will kill us every time, and that has nothing to do with talent, it has to do with Height

3.  We have 4 freshman playing significant minutes(See number 1)... These are not 1 and done freshman either

4.  A team with no talent can't go on the road and win @ Michigan State with no Talent

[Norm Peterson]

Our problem isn't talent, per se.  It's the distribution of talent. 

 

We have very good to fantastic players at 4 out of 5 positions on the floor.

 

That 5th position is our Achilles' heal.  (That's pronounced uh-KILL-eze for those who are bad at Wheel of Fortune.)

 

If you ranked our roster from top to bottom in terms of talent, there's a glaring weakness.  Fix that, and we win a lot more games.

[HoiBall]

 

 

 

One thing us fans tend to do is get too high after a win and too low after a loss. The huskers won tonight, they should have won. Rutgers is an awful basketball team. Nebraska didn't all of a sudden become a tourney team in 3 days. Still have the same players, same coaches. We will go out and play tomorrow. Badgers are favored and playing well. Although Nebraska got the win tonight, I wouldn't say they are playing well. This team has issues, lots of them. Talent being #1. Needs to be fixed or mr smiles won't be around much longer. If the freshman were what everyone cracked them up to be, you would not be getting swept by Northwestern. Don't let tonight's game against maybe the worst power 5 team outside BC hide the mess

SkerBall, you're cracking me up this morning. I've always been a fan of straight-faced comedy and you, dude, must be a master.

So, I've learned in the last few hours from reading your posts that Husker hoops fans don't know anything about basketball (where have I heard that before? Oh yeah, from Bluejay fans) and that our freshman class wasn't what they were cracked up to be.

YET ...

I'll say it. Bakeri Evelyn is a better point guard than Benny Parker. Way too much being made about Benny "shutting down" Sanders imo

So, let me get this straight:

The freshman class wasn't as good as it was cracked up to be ...

BUT ...

Bakari Evelyn, a true freshman who garnered 88 minutes on the season while shooting 2 for 15 from deep, is better than Benny Parker, a senior with 75 career starts and top 10 all-time in career steals for Nebraska.

If the least of our 5 freshman recruits is better than a senior starter, then I'm not tracking with you on the freshman class not being as good as it's cracked up to be.

Perhaps I just don't know the "inner workings" of the program like you do.

OR ...

Maybe this is just some great, straight-faced comedy.

That's brilliant, dude. I'm am cracking up laughing right now. Funny stuff.

So you're saying that because Benny Parker is Top 10 all time for steals in our "illustrious" program history makes him a great player? Benny played the past couple seasons for the mere fact that our PG recruiting had been so poor that Miles had no other choice. I guarantee that if you asked Tim Miles if he would rather have Benny Parker for 4 years or someone with the talent of Bakari Evelyn (I've seen his legit talent, coached against the kid in AAU) I would put my life savings on him saying Bakari. If you ask any basketball mind they would tell you that Benny Parker is a great inspirational story, but you don't win big with him. Maybe that's where we are off here. I'm about getting and playing guys that can bring more than just one thing to the table.

Now to your point of me bagging the freshman. I want better for this program. I want kids that can flat out play basketball, not players that are so one dimensional that if the opposing team takes one thing away they are not effective. We always tout how this team is so much more talented than teams of the past even with the inexperience. Well I guess for some playing average talent is sufficient but I'd like to believe Nebraska basketball could be better. I dislike Creighton just as much as the next guy on this board, but one thing I will say is that Mac gets "basketball players" that have skill sets far beyond anyone we bring in. Creighton isn't sniffing the tourney this year and they have much more talent than we do. That just shows how large of a gap there continues to be between Nebraska and relevancy. Not saying Glynn, Ed, Jack, Michael, and Bakari can't get there, but this group isn't going to do it by themselves. We need more talent, you're going to be disappointed if you count on last years class to take you to the promised land.

You lost me with the "Creighton has more talent than us" quote. They may have beat us, but they don't have more talent than us.

 

I don't care how much you dislike Creighton, anyone can tell you they have better basketball players currently

[HoiBall]

Our problem isn't talent, per se.  It's the distribution of talent. 

 

We have very good to fantastic players at 4 out of 5 positions on the floor.

 

That 5th position is our Achilles' heal.  (That's pronounced uh-KILL-eze for those who are bad at Wheel of Fortune.)

 

If you ranked our roster from top to bottom in terms of talent, there's a glaring weakness.  Fix that, and we win a lot more games.

You're telling me that we have "fantastic" talent at 4 out of 5 positions and all we could muster is a 14-17 regular season? That doesn't add up. One position doesn't make that big of a difference if the other 4 positions are "that" good.

[Silverbacked1]

Sker you about got us in the boat better get somebody to get you a net.

[Swan88]

Our problem the past two years is, in large part, injuries.

If one of the bigs stays healthy last season, we are a much better team: e.g., in the only game Leslee Smith played 31 minutes, we beat Michigan St.

This season, Shavon and Ed (and Andrew for a time) are hurt at he same time. Ed is still suffering. If those guys are healthy, the results of our last games are significantly different.

[Norm Peterson]

 

Our problem isn't talent, per se.  It's the distribution of talent. 

 

We have very good to fantastic players at 4 out of 5 positions on the floor.

 

That 5th position is our Achilles' heal.  (That's pronounced uh-KILL-eze for those who are bad at Wheel of Fortune.)

 

If you ranked our roster from top to bottom in terms of talent, there's a glaring weakness.  Fix that, and we win a lot more games.

You're telling me that we have "fantastic" talent at 4 out of 5 positions and all we could muster is a 14-17 regular season? That doesn't add up. One position doesn't make that big of a difference if the other 4 positions are "that" good.

 

You better read it again.

 

I said "very good to fantastic."

 

Fantastic is All-Conference 1st or 2nd team.  That's Shields.

 

White is close to that.

 

Glynn and Tai are both very good.

[Ron Mexico]

 

 you're going to be disappointed if you count on last years class to take you to the promised land.

[49r]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, I'm afraid it might be a LOOOOONG offseason...

[khoock]

I don't get how any husker fan can say we don't have talent when next year, on paper, could be the most talented team in school history and for sure 20ish years. The best thing is that our talent is young. Morrow and Watson are both Top 100 recruits. Jacobson and McVeigh are gonna be four-year contributors and will be legit secondary scorers in the future. We will have to see what Evelyn turns into but I doubt he is a slouch. Then you have Roby and Horne coming in who are top 150 players by atleast one recruiting service. Some ppl have Roby as the best prospect in Illinois. AND next year you will have two upperclassmen transfers eligible to play for you who were top 50 recruits out of high school. Seems like that's a huge talent upgrade for Nebraska basketball.

[Cazzie22]

Will NU defend well enough to compete with Bucky Badger tonight?

[HoiBall]

I don't get how any husker fan can say we don't have talent when next year, on paper, could be the most talented team in school history and for sure 20ish years. The best thing is that our talent is young. Morrow and Watson are both Top 100 recruits. Jacobson and McVeigh are gonna be four-year contributors and will be legit secondary scorers in the future. We will have to see what Evelyn turns into but I doubt he is a slouch. Then you have Roby and Horne coming in who are top 150 players by atleast one recruiting service. Some ppl have Roby as the best prospect in Illinois. AND next year you will have two upperclassmen transfers eligible to play for you who were top 50 recruits out of high school. Seems like that's a huge talent upgrade for Nebraska basketball.

I agree. I am excited to see what this years class can do with the addition of next years recruits. Roby is a player, Horne should be a nice PF. I have high hopes for Anton Gill off the bench. If that talent is good enough to compete for a upper division finish in the B1G is still debatable. Adding three players (2 freshmen and 1 transfer who hasn't played a competitive game in over a year) doesn't necessarily mean a huge increase in wins after what happened this season

[jason2486]

I don't get how any husker fan can say we don't have talent when next year, on paper, could be the most talented team in school history and for sure 20ish years. The best thing is that our talent is young. Morrow and Watson are both Top 100 recruits. Jacobson and McVeigh are gonna be four-year contributors and will be legit secondary scorers in the future. We will have to see what Evelyn turns into but I doubt he is a slouch. Then you have Roby and Horne coming in who are top 150 players by atleast one recruiting service. Some ppl have Roby as the best prospect in Illinois. AND next year you will have two upperclassmen transfers eligible to play for you who were top 50 recruits out of high school. Seems like that's a huge talent upgrade for Nebraska basketball.

I agree. I am excited to see what this years class can do with the addition of next years recruits. Roby is a player, Horne should be a nice PF. I have high hopes for Anton Gill off the bench. If that talent is good enough to compete for a upper division finish in the B1G is still debatable. Adding three players (2 freshmen and 1 transfer who hasn't played a competitive game in over a year) doesn't necessarily mean a huge increase in wins after what happened this season

They will be a bit raw, and Gill will need some time to adjust, but don't forget that this year's freshmen will be one year stronger and have had a year of B1G competition under their belts. Also, they will have another offseason of strength training, conditioning, and skill development! Plus, White, although maybe not dramatically, should get a little better off the bounce. He looks improved off the dribble from his Kansas days, so hopefully he can create a little more for himself his senior year!

[Norm Peterson]

 

I don't get how any husker fan can say we don't have talent when next year, on paper, could be the most talented team in school history and for sure 20ish years. The best thing is that our talent is young. Morrow and Watson are both Top 100 recruits. Jacobson and McVeigh are gonna be four-year contributors and will be legit secondary scorers in the future. We will have to see what Evelyn turns into but I doubt he is a slouch. Then you have Roby and Horne coming in who are top 150 players by atleast one recruiting service. Some ppl have Roby as the best prospect in Illinois. AND next year you will have two upperclassmen transfers eligible to play for you who were top 50 recruits out of high school. Seems like that's a huge talent upgrade for Nebraska basketball.

I agree. I am excited to see what this years class can do with the addition of next years recruits. Roby is a player, Horne should be a nice PF. I have high hopes for Anton Gill off the bench. If that talent is good enough to compete for a upper division finish in the B1G is still debatable. Adding three players (2 freshmen and 1 transfer who hasn't played a competitive game in over a year) doesn't necessarily mean a huge increase in wins after what happened this season

 

You have intimate inside knowledge of the program and you have Anton Gill coming off the bench next year?

 

Interesting.

 

You might want to ask to see the credentials of your inside sources.  Just sayin

[Silverbacked1]

I see the bobber going under and then coming back up. Set the hook Sker set the hook!

[Bugeaters1]

 

I don't get how any husker fan can say we don't have talent when next year, on paper, could be the most talented team in school history and for sure 20ish years. The best thing is that our talent is young. Morrow and Watson are both Top 100 recruits. Jacobson and McVeigh are gonna be four-year contributors and will be legit secondary scorers in the future. We will have to see what Evelyn turns into but I doubt he is a slouch. Then you have Roby and Horne coming in who are top 150 players by atleast one recruiting service. Some ppl have Roby as the best prospect in Illinois. AND next year you will have two upperclassmen transfers eligible to play for you who were top 50 recruits out of high school. Seems like that's a huge talent upgrade for Nebraska basketball.

I agree. I am excited to see what this years class can do with the addition of next years recruits. Roby is a player, Horne should be a nice PF. I have high hopes for Anton Gill off the bench. If that talent is good enough to compete for a upper division finish in the B1G is still debatable. Adding three players (2 freshmen and 1 transfer who hasn't played a competitive game in over a year) doesn't necessarily mean a huge increase in wins after what happened this season

 

And you don't know that next year will be the same as this year as far as wins either. I'd bet the wins increase.

[HoiBall]

 

 

I don't get how any husker fan can say we don't have talent when next year, on paper, could be the most talented team in school history and for sure 20ish years. The best thing is that our talent is young. Morrow and Watson are both Top 100 recruits. Jacobson and McVeigh are gonna be four-year contributors and will be legit secondary scorers in the future. We will have to see what Evelyn turns into but I doubt he is a slouch. Then you have Roby and Horne coming in who are top 150 players by atleast one recruiting service. Some ppl have Roby as the best prospect in Illinois. AND next year you will have two upperclassmen transfers eligible to play for you who were top 50 recruits out of high school. Seems like that's a huge talent upgrade for Nebraska basketball.

I agree. I am excited to see what this years class can do with the addition of next years recruits. Roby is a player, Horne should be a nice PF. I have high hopes for Anton Gill off the bench. If that talent is good enough to compete for a upper division finish in the B1G is still debatable. Adding three players (2 freshmen and 1 transfer who hasn't played a competitive game in over a year) doesn't necessarily mean a huge increase in wins after what happened this season

 

You have intimate inside knowledge of the program and you have Anton Gill coming off the bench next year?

 

Interesting.

 

You might want to ask to see the credentials of your inside sources.  Just sayin

 

He's on the bench this year with a redshirt, I was referring to him getting off of it and playing next year. You want to create your own arguments based on your own conclusions that's fine. 

[Ron Mexico]

 

 

 

I don't get how any husker fan can say we don't have talent when next year, on paper, could be the most talented team in school history and for sure 20ish years. The best thing is that our talent is young. Morrow and Watson are both Top 100 recruits. Jacobson and McVeigh are gonna be four-year contributors and will be legit secondary scorers in the future. We will have to see what Evelyn turns into but I doubt he is a slouch. Then you have Roby and Horne coming in who are top 150 players by atleast one recruiting service. Some ppl have Roby as the best prospect in Illinois. AND next year you will have two upperclassmen transfers eligible to play for you who were top 50 recruits out of high school. Seems like that's a huge talent upgrade for Nebraska basketball.

I agree. I am excited to see what this years class can do with the addition of next years recruits. Roby is a player, Horne should be a nice PF. I have high hopes for Anton Gill off the bench. If that talent is good enough to compete for a upper division finish in the B1G is still debatable. Adding three players (2 freshmen and 1 transfer who hasn't played a competitive game in over a year) doesn't necessarily mean a huge increase in wins after what happened this season

 

You have intimate inside knowledge of the program and you have Anton Gill coming off the bench next year?

 

Interesting.

 

You might want to ask to see the credentials of your inside sources.  Just sayin

 

He's on the bench this year with a redshirt, I was referring to him getting off of it and playing next year. You want to create your own arguments based on your own conclusions that's fine. 

Right just like TP and AWIII 

[Norm Peterson]

 

 

 

I don't get how any husker fan can say we don't have talent when next year, on paper, could be the most talented team in school history and for sure 20ish years. The best thing is that our talent is young. Morrow and Watson are both Top 100 recruits. Jacobson and McVeigh are gonna be four-year contributors and will be legit secondary scorers in the future. We will have to see what Evelyn turns into but I doubt he is a slouch. Then you have Roby and Horne coming in who are top 150 players by atleast one recruiting service. Some ppl have Roby as the best prospect in Illinois. AND next year you will have two upperclassmen transfers eligible to play for you who were top 50 recruits out of high school. Seems like that's a huge talent upgrade for Nebraska basketball.

I agree. I am excited to see what this years class can do with the addition of next years recruits. Roby is a player, Horne should be a nice PF. I have high hopes for Anton Gill off the bench. If that talent is good enough to compete for a upper division finish in the B1G is still debatable. Adding three players (2 freshmen and 1 transfer who hasn't played a competitive game in over a year) doesn't necessarily mean a huge increase in wins after what happened this season

 

You have intimate inside knowledge of the program and you have Anton Gill coming off the bench next year?

 

Interesting.

 

You might want to ask to see the credentials of your inside sources.  Just sayin

 

He's on the bench this year with a redshirt, I was referring to him getting off of it and playing next year. You want to create your own arguments based on your own conclusions that's fine. 

 

Just FYI, when basketball people refer to a player coming "off the bench" it means a non-starter.  Someone coming off a redshirt year is just someone coming off a redshirt year, not "off the bench."  Not being nitpicky; it just helps with communication.