Hammond & Wacker, Interested in Opinions

[TheKamdyMan]

Prediction: David Wacker will be a Husker and on scholarship this time next year.

Speculation: Tim Miles & Co. are creatively managing the thirteen-scholarships and oversigning-by-one limitations to maximize this year's recruiting potential with Robinson, Deng, Bollen, etc., and Wacker is very much a central part of the plan.

Rationale:

1. These coaches wouldn't waste an official visit and their first in-home visit on someone they believe is a marginal / slow-play guy; and

2. Wacker received strong interest from the likes of Colorado and others, yet he hasn't set up any visit to anywhere but Boise.

 

You get 12 officials a year to blow and Nebraska can only sign 3 by rule.  Why not get your Plan B guy in to visit just in case things fail.  I mean why arent you saying the same thing for Zach Smith who took an official and he doesnt even have an offer.

 

I bet the visit to Wacker was scheduled on purpose right after the Robinson visit because if they didnt feel they have a shot they let him know and get him in the fold.  If they do have a good shot you let him know where things stand and when Nebraska could be a viable option for him.  You want to make sure you stay open and honest with him which is why you make sure you get to him asap in the visit period.  Miles wouldnt openly tell a guy to visit another school, which he told Wacker to do for boise and even Western kentucky, if he wasnt the back up guy and wanted to make sure he was still making sure Wacker looked out for himself.

[Creighton Fan]

Prediction: David Wacker will be a Husker and on scholarship this time next year.

Speculation: Tim Miles & Co. are creatively managing the thirteen-scholarships and oversigning-by-one limitations to maximize this year's recruiting potential with Robinson, Deng, Bollen, etc., and Wacker is very much a central part of the plan.

Rationale:

1. These coaches wouldn't waste an official visit and their first in-home visit on someone they believe is a marginal / slow-play guy; and

2. Wacker received strong interest from the likes of Colorado and others, yet he hasn't set up any visit to anywhere but Boise.

 

That makes a ton of sense to me.

 

Why would you use your very first in-home, on the first day that you can do an in-home, on a guy that is a back-up option?  Just doesn't compute.  Therefore, I'd say the guy is probably not a back-up option, but is a primary target.

[Silverbacked1]

Okay now I need to change my mind because

creighton fan agrees with me.:|

[ShortDust]

I agree with what kamdy stated above and disagree with creighton fan. He wanted to get to him right away. Miles has a plan and ill trust it.

[NUdiehard]

I agree with what kamdy stated above and disagree with creighton fan. He wanted to get to him right away. Miles has a plan and ill trust it.

Exactly.  Kamdy nailed it.  Sorry Swan and Creighton Fan.

[NUdiehard]

 

Not saying I agree or disagree, Swan.  But I appreciate the logic. 

 

I'm not sure how Miles is managing things but there's a big part of me that hopes we land a top 50 player and still have room for another foreign kid who ranks in the top 70.

 

That would be an incredible haul for the Huskers.  But it might be too much to ask for and it would be a shame to wind up with a kid like Wacker and feel disappointed that your team didn't land as good a player as you wanted.  Let's be real.  Two, maybe three years ago, we'd have been all kinds of happy landing a kid with Wacker's offer list.

 

Norm, three years ago we were giddy about David Rivers...

 

I can definitively say I was not giddy about David Rivers 3 years ago and I am not particularly excited about Wacker today. Looks like another Doc/Collier type recruite to me, but hey, that is just my opinion based on limited info and I could be completely wrong. 

 

But there  is no doubt in my mind that Wacker is the backup plan.  As Kamdy said, absolutely no way Miles encourages Wacker to take other visits if he is a Plan A guy.  Miles certainly did NOT tell Hammond to take other visits and IIRC Hammond cancelled his other visits after visiting here and committing on the spot. 

 

Reading the tea leaves further, that fact that Wacker did not commit on the in-home visit yesterday tells me that this staff still thinks it has a chance to land Robinson.  As Kamdy said, if Miles felt he had no chance with Robinson after his visit, then he opens up the sholly to Wacker.  Since he didn't do that, I think it means they are holding on to it until Robinson makes his final decison

 

Oh, and one more thing.  I absolutely do not understand this notion of a "noncommittable offer".  Isn't that an oxymoron?  If the player can't accept it, then its not really an offer. 

[49r]

Okay, maybe "giddy" was a little too strong.  Point is, I think the consensus on Rivers was something like "well, he seems to be at least a little bit palatable compared to a lot of the stuff Doc's been bringing in here.

 

But now - at least this year - we'd be looking at a Rivers type guy as "Plan B".

 

Tells me how much progress we've made in upgrading the program so far.  Long ways to go still...

[Swan88]

Prediction: David Wacker will be a Husker and on scholarship this time next year.

Speculation: Tim Miles & Co. are creatively managing the thirteen-scholarships and oversigning-by-one limitations to maximize this year's recruiting potential with Robinson, Deng, Bollen, etc., and Wacker is very much a central part of the plan.

Rationale:

1. These coaches wouldn't waste an official visit and their first in-home visit on someone they believe is a marginal / slow-play guy; and

2. Wacker received strong interest from the likes of Colorado and others, yet he hasn't set up any visit to anywhere but Boise.

 

That makes a ton of sense to me.

 

Why would you use your very first in-home, on the first day that you can do an in-home, on a guy that is a back-up option?  Just doesn't compute.  Therefore, I'd say the guy is probably not a back-up option, but is a primary target.

Oh no, Creighton Fan!!! How could you possibly do this to my argument? You've doomed it by agreeing with it!!! Sheesh [and "groan"]!

P.S. I am typing this with a smile on my face and a chuckle in my head.

[Norm Peterson]

 

 

Not saying I agree or disagree, Swan.  But I appreciate the logic. 

 

I'm not sure how Miles is managing things but there's a big part of me that hopes we land a top 50 player and still have room for another foreign kid who ranks in the top 70.

 

That would be an incredible haul for the Huskers.  But it might be too much to ask for and it would be a shame to wind up with a kid like Wacker and feel disappointed that your team didn't land as good a player as you wanted.  Let's be real.  Two, maybe three years ago, we'd have been all kinds of happy landing a kid with Wacker's offer list.

 

Norm, three years ago we were giddy about David Rivers...

 

I can definitively say I was not giddy about David Rivers 3 years ago and I am not particularly excited about Wacker today. Looks like another Doc/Collier type recruite to me, but hey, that is just my opinion based on limited info and I could be completely wrong. 

 

But there  is no doubt in my mind that Wacker is the backup plan.  As Kamdy said, absolutely no way Miles encourages Wacker to take other visits if he is a Plan A guy.  Miles certainly did NOT tell Hammond to take other visits and IIRC Hammond cancelled his other visits after visiting here and committing on the spot. 

 

Reading the tea leaves further, that fact that Wacker did not commit on the in-home visit yesterday tells me that this staff still thinks it has a chance to land Robinson.  As Kamdy said, if Miles felt he had no chance with Robinson after his visit, then he opens up the sholly to Wacker.  Since he didn't do that, I think it means they are holding on to it until Robinson makes his final decison

 

Oh, and one more thing.  I absolutely do not understand this notion of a "noncommittable offer".  Isn't that an oxymoron?  If the player can't accept it, then its not really an offer. 

 

Sure there are noncommittable offers.  Like you buy a house and you buy the house on condition that you can sell your own and obtain suitable financing.  That's a conditional offer just like an offer to a recruit that you'll have a spot for him or her if a certain other player chooses to go somewhere else.

 

I can imagine a conversation with a recruit going something like this:

 

Hey, we are looking for players.  And you certainly are one we're looking at and you're near the top of our list.  However, there are recruits who are higher on that list.  Practical necessity forces us to stand in line with some elite recruits while they go through their process of deciding on a college and we can't really put everything on hold while that happens.  Right now, we are waiting on a couple of elite guys to make their decisions and either pick us or eliminate us.  David, I want you to know we are very interested in you.  We love a lot of what you can do and think you would develop into a very fine player for us.  I can tell you in no uncertain terms that you are 3rd in line right now.  It's very possible the two guys we're looking at in front of you could choose other options and, if that happens, we have a spot for you.  We hate to put you in a bad position relative to making commitments to other programs but we would like you to wait to make a commit until everything shakes out.  As soon as we know whether the spot will be available, we'll let you know.  We understand you have timetables of your own and it's not fair of us to say don't look any further because right now we can't make any guarantees.  But we still would like you to keep that option open.  You could easily move up to first in line and we'll have a spot for you if that happens.  In the meantime, just understand we're waiting on the decisions of others and that forces us to ask you to wait on us.

[big red22]

 

Prediction: David Wacker will be a Husker and on scholarship this time next year.

Speculation: Tim Miles & Co. are creatively managing the thirteen-scholarships and oversigning-by-one limitations to maximize this year's recruiting potential with Robinson, Deng, Bollen, etc., and Wacker is very much a central part of the plan.

Rationale:

1. These coaches wouldn't waste an official visit and their first in-home visit on someone they believe is a marginal / slow-play guy; and

2. Wacker received strong interest from the likes of Colorado and others, yet he hasn't set up any visit to anywhere but Boise.

 

That makes a ton of sense to me.

 

Why would you use your very first in-home, on the first day that you can do an in-home, on a guy that is a back-up option?  Just doesn't compute.  Therefore, I'd say the guy is probably not a back-up option, but is a primary target.

 

Well... to me it is obvious.

 

Robinson and Wacker are both considered legitimate targets.  Robinson is obviously the home run, and Miles also is very high on Wacker.  

 

It is obvious there is a correlation here.  Miles is quick to react on his prospects simple as that.

 

He is a good recruiter, and that is what they do

 

You are a Creighton Fan and you obviously don't think NU can land a "Robinson" type player...  Pretty much the only reason why this would make perfect sense to you

[NUdiehard]

 

 

 

Not saying I agree or disagree, Swan.  But I appreciate the logic. 

 

I'm not sure how Miles is managing things but there's a big part of me that hopes we land a top 50 player and still have room for another foreign kid who ranks in the top 70.

 

That would be an incredible haul for the Huskers.  But it might be too much to ask for and it would be a shame to wind up with a kid like Wacker and feel disappointed that your team didn't land as good a player as you wanted.  Let's be real.  Two, maybe three years ago, we'd have been all kinds of happy landing a kid with Wacker's offer list.

 

Norm, three years ago we were giddy about David Rivers...

 

I can definitively say I was not giddy about David Rivers 3 years ago and I am not particularly excited about Wacker today. Looks like another Doc/Collier type recruite to me, but hey, that is just my opinion based on limited info and I could be completely wrong. 

 

But there  is no doubt in my mind that Wacker is the backup plan.  As Kamdy said, absolutely no way Miles encourages Wacker to take other visits if he is a Plan A guy.  Miles certainly did NOT tell Hammond to take other visits and IIRC Hammond cancelled his other visits after visiting here and committing on the spot. 

 

Reading the tea leaves further, that fact that Wacker did not commit on the in-home visit yesterday tells me that this staff still thinks it has a chance to land Robinson.  As Kamdy said, if Miles felt he had no chance with Robinson after his visit, then he opens up the sholly to Wacker.  Since he didn't do that, I think it means they are holding on to it until Robinson makes his final decison

 

Oh, and one more thing.  I absolutely do not understand this notion of a "noncommittable offer".  Isn't that an oxymoron?  If the player can't accept it, then its not really an offer. 

 

Sure there are noncommittable offers.  Like you buy a house and you buy the house on condition that you can sell your own and obtain suitable financing.  That's a conditional offer just like an offer to a recruit that you'll have a spot for him or her if a certain other player chooses to go somewhere else.

 

I can imagine a conversation with a recruit going something like this:

 

Hey, we are looking for players.  And you certainly are one we're looking at and you're near the top of our list.  However, there are recruits who are higher on that list.  Practical necessity forces us to stand in line with some elite recruits while they go through their process of deciding on a college and we can't really put everything on hold while that happens.  Right now, we are waiting on a couple of elite guys to make their decisions and either pick us or eliminate us.  David, I want you to know we are very interested in you.  We love a lot of what you can do and think you would develop into a very fine player for us.  I can tell you in no uncertain terms that you are 3rd in line right now.  It's very possible the two guys we're looking at in front of you could choose other options and, if that happens, we have a spot for you.  We hate to put you in a bad position relative to making commitments to other programs but we would like you to wait to make a commit until everything shakes out.  As soon as we know whether the spot will be available, we'll let you know.  We understand you have timetables of your own and it's not fair of us to say don't look any further because right now we can't make any guarantees.  But we still would like you to keep that option open.  You could easily move up to first in line and we'll have a spot for you if that happens.  In the meantime, just understand we're waiting on the decisions of others and that forces us to ask you to wait on us.

 

I get that.  But how is what you described any different than a school that has "interest" in a player but doesn't make a meaningless noncommittable offer?  That school simply says we have serious "interest" in you, but we are not prepred to make an offer yet.  If a couple other recruits fall through, then we will offer.  There is no difference.

 

I understand the notion of a "contingent" offer, but usually those offers are contingent upon an outside event that is not solely within the control of the offeror.  For instance, in RE purchase agreement, the Buyer is to use all reasonable efforts to secure financing.  The final decision upon financing is up to the bank, not the offeror.  If the Buyer never makes reasonable efforts to secure financing, then the Buyer could be sued for breach of contract.  Thus, the "offer" at least has some substance to it.

 

In Wacker's situation, the validation of the offer is totally and completely at the whim and control of the offeror (Miles).  It would be like me saying "I offer to sell you my brand new Mercedez for $500, but you can't accept the offer now and I reserve the right to never let you accept the offer at any time in the future based solely on my whim and desire." Take that to a lawyer and have him tell you what it is worth. 

[Creighton Fan]

 

 

Prediction: David Wacker will be a Husker and on scholarship this time next year.

Speculation: Tim Miles & Co. are creatively managing the thirteen-scholarships and oversigning-by-one limitations to maximize this year's recruiting potential with Robinson, Deng, Bollen, etc., and Wacker is very much a central part of the plan.

Rationale:

1. These coaches wouldn't waste an official visit and their first in-home visit on someone they believe is a marginal / slow-play guy; and

2. Wacker received strong interest from the likes of Colorado and others, yet he hasn't set up any visit to anywhere but Boise.

 

That makes a ton of sense to me.

 

Why would you use your very first in-home, on the first day that you can do an in-home, on a guy that is a back-up option?  Just doesn't compute.  Therefore, I'd say the guy is probably not a back-up option, but is a primary target.

Oh no, Creighton Fan!!! How could you possibly do this to my argument? You've doomed it by agreeing with it!!! Sheesh [and "groan"]!

P.S. I am typing this with a smile on my face and a chuckle in my head.

 

:D :D :D

 

I'm laughing as well.

[Creighton Fan]

 

 

Prediction: David Wacker will be a Husker and on scholarship this time next year.

Speculation: Tim Miles & Co. are creatively managing the thirteen-scholarships and oversigning-by-one limitations to maximize this year's recruiting potential with Robinson, Deng, Bollen, etc., and Wacker is very much a central part of the plan.

Rationale:

1. These coaches wouldn't waste an official visit and their first in-home visit on someone they believe is a marginal / slow-play guy; and

2. Wacker received strong interest from the likes of Colorado and others, yet he hasn't set up any visit to anywhere but Boise.

 

That makes a ton of sense to me.

 

Why would you use your very first in-home, on the first day that you can do an in-home, on a guy that is a back-up option?  Just doesn't compute.  Therefore, I'd say the guy is probably not a back-up option, but is a primary target.

 

Well... to me it is obvious.

 

Robinson and Wacker are both considered legitimate targets.  Robinson is obviously the home run, and Miles also is very high on Wacker.  

 

It is obvious there is a correlation here.  Miles is quick to react on his prospects simple as that.

 

He is a good recruiter, and that is what they do

 

You are a Creighton Fan and you obviously don't think NU can land a "Robinson" type player...  Pretty much the only reason why this would make perfect sense to you

 

Could be.  Of course, it could also be that you are just ridiculously paranoid.  Sadly the latter seems more likely at the moment.