Expectations

[Norm Peterson]

This board is starting to become unbearable.  I get that the vast majority on this board like to talk about how great things are always and all the time.  That's fine. 

 

What has become unbearable is the mocking tone and criticism of anyone who dares question the coaching or the current health of the Nebraska basketball program.  Six comments from four different posters in this thread alone which serve no purpose whatsoever except to mock nudiehard.   

 

I get that no one like trolls, but there are legitimate concerns being raised on this board by individuals who have a long history here and are certainly not trolls.  Yet these critiques, often reasoned and thoughtful, are met with repeated snide and snarky comments from long time posters here.  It's ridiculous.  

 

Honestly 49r, what is the purpose of anything you've posted in this thread?  What value is there in it?  I don't see any. You've posted three comments in this thread and contributed nothing to the discussion other than you don't approve.  If you don't like or see value in the posts of those who take a critical eye then don't read it and don't respond to it.  

 

Nudiehard, in particular, has a long history of posting unique and thoughtful takes on this board.  I far prefer his insights to the non-stop banter about how absolutely nothing that happened this past season and now off season is in any way negatively connected to Miles or the coaching staff.  I don't happen to agree with that sunshine pumping assessment, but I don't troll every single thread of those who do and mock them.    

 

First of all, tbowman, I agree with what you say about Nudiehard having a long history of posting unique and thoughtful takes on this board.  I tease Nudiehard about being long-winded.  I tease myself about being long-winded.  But his contributions are definitely thoughtful and considered and not just blathered lightly like a lot of mine are.

 

But, second, I very much disagree with you that only sunshine pumpers can post without being mocked or criticized.

 

But if people are going to post some contention about the state of the program or the quality of the coaching or the recruiting or anything else, they ought to have some basis for it and be able to explain their position.

 

What I find with a lot of people is just sort of knee-jerk anger at the fact of a loss without really any legitimate insight or substance.  Some people just started parroting the mantra, "Miles got out-coached" this season.  He clearly erred in the final seconds of the Incarnate Word game, but how was he "outcoached" against Indiana?

 

"Outcoached" just became shorthand for "we lost and I'm mad about it, but I really can't explain it so I'm just going to call it 'outcoached' and blame Miles."

 

Did you not notice my recent thread where I brought up someone's criticism of Miles' insistence on using a verrry short bench as possibly a reason why we were so ineffectual on offense this season?  That was certainly a criticism.  No one mocked or criticized me for bringing it up.  (Not sure anyone saw it, actually, so maybe that's why.)

 

Bottom line:  I think criticism of the program, players and coaches is generally accepted on here; it's when you come off sounding like Chicken Little declaring that the sky is falling that people tend to mock and criticize the poster.

[49r]

Or what Norm said...

 

[Norm Peterson]

tbowman, if you haven't already done so, I would encourage you to go over to the thread, "A little perspective from a guy who knows a thing or two."

 

In that thread, you'll find unmocked criticisms of Miles and Co.  Such as atskooc saying:

 

My issue with adjustments was with player minutes.  I thought we adjusted too much at times.  We weren't playing guys because we didn't think they matched up against our opponents well enough, but one of those guys was supposed to be one of the best shooters on our team.  We're struggling to score, yet we were adjusting our roster to the opponent, which made it more difficult for us to score.

 

Play the best dudes to help you succeed, not to keep the other team from succeeding.

 

Not a single person criticized that take.  Not one.  And no one mocked astkooc for saying it.  Nobody.

 

So, I think you're wrong when you say, "What has become unbearable is the mocking tone and criticism of anyone who dares question the coaching or the current health of the Nebraska basketball program." 

 

And let me ask you this:  How was your tone any better than the tone of posters you're complaining about?

[golfer3]

Great point on the ast coaches.  An ast coach leaves and so does the relationships he has built with recruits.  Hopefully, the new ast coach brings recruit-relationships from his previous position and the recruits are major D1 quality.

 

It's not Miles or NU's responsibility to provide head coaching prospects for other schools.

 

I appreciate your open-minded remarks, regardless of length.  Some rah-rahs are compelled to remark-blurt without adequate explanation. I understand thier frustration.

[swmckewon]

My amateur stat and thought.

 

Nebraska has won more than 21 games just twice since 1980.

 

22 games in 1983 and 26 in 91. 

 

Both times, Nebraska had excellent big men. Dave Hoppen in 1983. Rich King/Tony Farmer in 1991. 

 

I just don't know how you do this at Nebraska consistently without finding and developing that guy. I mean, is it possible that you'll recruit so well at guard to overcome it? Sure. It's possible. But it's better and easier with a quality big man. 

 

Perhaps Hammond or Morrow will be that guy. It'd help.

[basketballjones]

My amateur stat and thought.

 

Nebraska has won more than 21 games just twice since 1980.

 

22 games in 1983 and 26 in 91. 

 

Both times, Nebraska had excellent big men. Dave Hoppen in 1983. Rich King/Tony Farmer in 1991. 

 

I just don't know how you do this at Nebraska consistently without finding and developing that guy. I mean, is it possible that you'll recruit so well at guard to overcome it? Sure. It's possible. But it's better and easier with a quality big man. 

 

Perhaps Hammond or Morrow will be that guy. It'd help.

Uh... I'm guessing it's been a while since you've had an amateur thought.

[big red22]

I notice you didn't boldface these sentences in my post:

 

 

OT: Is your name NU die hard, or Nudie Hard

 

Sorry I had too 

[Jugular]

Don't forget Jacobsen

My amateur stat and thought.

 

Nebraska has won more than 21 games just twice since 1980.

 

22 games in 1983 and 26 in 91. 

 

Both times, Nebraska had excellent big men. Dave Hoppen in 1983. Rich King/Tony Farmer in 1991. 

 

I just don't know how you do this at Nebraska consistently without finding and developing that guy. I mean, is it possible that you'll recruit so well at guard to overcome it? Sure. It's possible. But it's better and easier with a quality big man. 

 

Perhaps Hammond or Morrow will be that guy. It'd help.

[Chuck Taylor]

My amateur stat and thought.

 

Nebraska has won more than 21 games just twice since 1980.

 

22 games in 1983 and 26 in 91.

My god, I'd have rather not known that. Or maybe I did know it and had suppressed it. My Captain Crunch just lost all its flavor this morning.

[hhcmatt]

Expectations are a funny thing.....

 

We're looking at a guy from a non-major conference school with a bad record: Why are we looking at this bum?

The same guy has 10 offers from other power conference schools: We have to land this guy!

[AuroranHusker]

Expectation: competitiveness, however you define it is up to you. I have my own thoughts. Being in every ballgame is a big step, especially in a 14-team league that has quite a number of heavy hitters.

[hhcmatt]

My amateur stat and thought.

 

Nebraska has won more than 21 games just twice since 1980.

 

22 games in 1983 and 26 in 91. 

 

Both times, Nebraska had excellent big men. Dave Hoppen in 1983. Rich King/Tony Farmer in 1991. 

 

I just don't know how you do this at Nebraska consistently without finding and developing that guy. I mean, is it possible that you'll recruit so well at guard to overcome it? Sure. It's possible. But it's better and easier with a quality big man. 

 

Perhaps Hammond or Morrow will be that guy. It'd help.

 

On the flip side Alec Maric never won 21 games and qualifies as an excellent big man. Quality post play helps but obviously is no guarantee.

 

Maybe we figure out a big man pipeline one day because we haven't yet and that really hasn't been something Miles has ever done well. Big Man Experience is something we should be scanning for on assistant resumes.

 

Even if we fill our remaining two spots with big men, it's hard to imagine we're going to be a big man dominant team next year and thus must plan accordingly. Indiana comes to mind for a team last year with little size but the sort of success we would enjoy. Do we have the firepower and willingness to run? Has anyone else in recent B1G years had success with a small team and what was their tempo/focus? Offense? Defense?

 

In the long run if Miles can continue to trend upward and put more and more years here on his resume it's going to pay off with better and better recruits.

[Norm Peterson]

Expectations are a funny thing.....

 

We're looking at a guy from a non-major conference school with a bad record: Why are we looking at this bum?

The same guy has 10 offers from other power conference schools: We have to land this guy!

That might be a measure of our level of desperation.

 

If he's 6'10" and 240# or bigger, does he pass the mirror test?