B1G to consider another round of expansion?

[hhcmatt]

Nebraska would benefit more (from an exposure standpoint) from playing a game in Kansas City than playing Creighton at C-Link, IMO. There are plenty of decent recruiting opportunities for them in the KC metro, which we've already made some inroads.

We both have (or will have) perfectly good facilities. There is no reason to play Nebraska-Creighton not in Omaha or Lincoln

[HuskermavfanChuck]

If the rumors and analysis I've seen are to be believed (and the targets listed make sense, from the sense of being an AAU member (seemingly an important point for the conference leaders) and the eyeballs each target would bring), the list would likely focus on these five (and this isn't saying someone else couldn't come out of the blue, but these five make the most sense from that limited analysis and the rumors that have been circulating out there):

1. North Carolina or Virginia

2. North Carolina or Virigina

3. Duke

4. Georgia Tech

5. Kansas

In that order to some degree. the big thing others have discussed, and I probably could see to some degree, though I don't really have any first-hand knowledge of the dealings of the ACC, is that the 'Tobacco Road Schools', i.e. the ones in Carolina - UNC, Duke, NCSU, and Wake, pretty much make up the backbone of the conference, and are the least likely to leave. IF that is the case, then it would seem the most likely targets are UVA and GA Tech. However, if for some reason UVA decided they didn't want to leave either, because they either weren't comfortable or believed a patched up ACC could be made to work, then GA Tech and Kansas would be the next alternatives. I think, from a standpoint of 'prestige' schools along with AAU membership and sheer eyeballs, all of these make sense. North Carolina or Duke for the eyeballs/TV numbers in North Carolina, Virginia for the same reason in Virgina, GA Tech for the Atlanta eyeballs, and Kansas to shore up the Eastern Kansas/Western Missouri corridor. All of these have also had at least some relative success in sports over time. as well.

Regardless, the next six months to a year could be very interesting, especially after one conference makes another move, because I think when one moves, you'll likely have the B1G, SEC, and Big XII moving fairly quickly one after another, and the ACC will likely end up as Big East 2, and the Big East could easily end up as a non-football conference rather quickly. (Not saying it will even take six months, but I'd give it six months to a year at the most before we see the next moves made.) Certainly interesting stuff.

And for the record, I like the moves. Maryland has been good/great in basketball, Rutgers is an up-and-comer, potentially, in football, and both were having a few monetary issues that they will at least owe some thanks to the B1G for helping them out of. That will likely go a long way down the road towards them wanting to give back to the conference.

[49r]

We both have (or will have) perfectly good facilities. There is no reason to play Nebraska-Creighton not in Omaha or Lincoln

Sorry, I wasn't clear on it...I didn't mean play Creighton in KC.

I meant playing in KC in general (against like Kansas or Oklahoma State or something) would do more for us in terms of exposure than playing Creighton in Omaha would do.

I'm not advocating ending the NU-Creighton series, I'm just saying I don't really think it does much for us, exposure-wise.

[hhcmatt]

I think playing a game in Omaha every year would expose the Huskers more to the Omaha fan base but I'm not sure why everyone assumes that has to be against Creighton. Playing a neutral game up in the Clink every other year isn't a bad idea for giving your Omaha fanbase a local game.

[hhcmatt]

If the rumors and analysis I've seen are to be believed (and the targets listed make sense, from the sense of being an AAU member (seemingly an important point for the conference leaders) and the eyeballs each target would bring), the list would likely focus on these five (and this isn't saying someone else couldn't come out of the blue, but these five make the most sense from that limited analysis and the rumors that have been circulating out there):

1. North Carolina or Virginia

2. North Carolina or Virigina

3. Duke

4. Georgia Tech

5. Kansas

In that order to some degree. the big thing others have discussed, and I probably could see to some degree, though I don't really have any first-hand knowledge of the dealings of the ACC, is that the 'Tobacco Road Schools', i.e. the ones in Carolina - UNC, Duke, NCSU, and Wake, pretty much make up the backbone of the conference, and are the least likely to leave. IF that is the case, then it would seem the most likely targets are UVA and GA Tech. However, if for some reason UVA decided they didn't want to leave either, because they either weren't comfortable or believed a patched up ACC could be made to work, then GA Tech and Kansas would be the next alternatives. I think, from a standpoint of 'prestige' schools along with AAU membership and sheer eyeballs, all of these make sense. North Carolina or Duke for the eyeballs/TV numbers in North Carolina, Virginia for the same reason in Virgina, GA Tech for the Atlanta eyeballs, and Kansas to shore up the Eastern Kansas/Western Missouri corridor. All of these have also had at least some relative success in sports over time. as well.

Regardless, the next six months to a year could be very interesting, especially after one conference makes another move, because I think when one moves, you'll likely have the B1G, SEC, and Big XII moving fairly quickly one after another, and the ACC will likely end up as Big East 2, and the Big East could easily end up as a non-football conference rather quickly. (Not saying it will even take six months, but I'd give it six months to a year at the most before we see the next moves made.) Certainly interesting stuff.

And for the record, I like the moves. Maryland has been good/great in basketball, Rutgers is an up-and-comer, potentially, in football, and both were having a few monetary issues that they will at least owe some thanks to the B1G for helping them out of. That will likely go a long way down the road towards them wanting to give back to the conference.

North Carolina and Virginia would be huge gets.

[Tony]

I think playing a game in Omaha every year would expose the Huskers more to the Omaha fan base but I'm not sure why everyone assumes that has to be against Creighton. Playing a neutral game up in the Clink every other year isn't a bad idea for giving your Omaha fanbase a local game.

Not a bad idea. And, maybe, the Jays could do the same thingin Lincoln.

[Creighton Fan]

Not a bad idea. And, maybe, the Jays could do the same thing in Lincoln.

Sounds like a plan. Let's do it on the same day. We could call it Sadie Hawkins day. Or, to give it more of a Nebraska flavor, Kay Orr day. Or maybe even Debra Winger day (if Bob Kerry can come back, why can't his former girlfriend?) Whoever draws the bigger crowd gets dibs on the next D1 player to come out of the state (assuming of course that we can keep Iowa, Louisville, Texas and Minnesota out).

[hhcmatt]

Sounds like a plan. Let's do it on the same day. We could call it Sadie Hawkins day. Or, to give it more of a Nebraska flavor, Kay Orr day. Or maybe even Debra Winger day (if Bob Kerry can come back, why can't his former girlfriend?) Whoever draws the bigger crowd gets dibs on the next D1 player to come out of the state (assuming of course that we can keep Iowa, Louisville, Texas and Minnesota out).

BYOB

[nustudent]

I'm still amazed that people disliked these acquistions

[cipsucks]

I'm still amazed that people disliked these acquistions

I agree, nustudent. It makes sense to expand to the east where there are tv sets and recruits. Barfknecht had a pretty good article in the paper today concerning the expansion:

http://www.omaha.com/article/20121120/HUSKERS/711209899/1001#barfknecht-16-members-sounds-sweet-for-big-ten

[nustudent]

I agree, nustudent. It makes sense to expand to the east where there are tv sets and recruits. Barfknecht had a pretty good article in the paper today concerning the expansion:

http://www.omaha.com...eet-for-big-ten

Delaney is a smart, saavy business man and leader.

He's not going to do, just to do....there's a reason he's doing it.

I don't blame anyone for not wanting the super conferences. I love tradition. i wanted everything to stay the same (i.e. us in the Big 12/8) but also realize that's not going to happen. This move isn't the one starting the move to the superconferences. Those moves occured a few years back. This is just the next step and it was bound to happen eventually.

[cipsucks]

If the B1G were to add North Carolina and Kansas, that would be a pretty sweet basketball league. God help Tim Miles.

[nustudent]

If the B1G were to add North Carolina and Kansas, that would be a pretty sweet basketball league. God help Tim Miles.

I think one of those two is very very likely too.

[Jayhawk]

It's going to be really weird seeing you guys play Rutgers as a conference game.

[Blackshirt83]

Money and TV are important to this decision but people are missing the biggest reason for this expansion.

It guarantees the Big Ten will not become like the Pac 12. Meaning We're not going to be landlocked.

Look at the Pac 12 in expansion right now, they aren't going to get anyone from the Big 10 to defect and they learned with the Texas situation that going after the Big 12 South isn't going to work either, in terms of expanding the Pac 12 is kind of screwed.

We were in danger of having that same situation happening.

What this move does is assure the Big Ten that if expansion hell breaks loose and everyone heads to 16 team confereces (it will eventually happen) that the Big Ten is already in prime position to attract viable east coast markets and teams and not get stuck choosing between raiding the MAC, Picking up the leftovers in the Big East or teams like ISU, KU or KSU.

[icedragon101]

Exactly, should only be a matter of time before that happens as well. I am surprised ACC hasn't already added UCONN.

i am suprised we have not gone after them , Uconn and Boston college. the big12 might go after louisville, cincy, gt, clemson, FSU miami, VT if that happenc we will see the end of the ACC and pitt and syracuce might join BIG 1G

[cipsucks]

Money and TV are important to this decision but people are missing the biggest reason for this expansion.

It guarantees the Big Ten will not become like the Pac 12. Meaning We're not going to be landlocked.

Look at the Pac 12 in expansion right now, they aren't going to get anyone from the Big 10 to defect and they learned with the Texas situation that going after the Big 12 South isn't going to work either, in terms of expanding the Pac 12 is kind of screwed.

We were in danger of having that same situation happening.

What this move does is assure the Big Ten that if expansion hell breaks loose and everyone heads to 16 team confereces (it will eventually happen) that the Big Ten is already in prime position to attract viable east coast markets and teams and not get stuck choosing between raiding the MAC, Picking up the leftovers in the Big East or teams like ISU, KU or KSU.

I both agree and disagree. Going east was really the only choice Delany had for schools 13&14. The two schools he picked added a buttload of TV sets. Now, adding two East Coast teams, or 1 East Coast and 1 midwest program is a lot easier to do. Delany definately put the conference in a very good position.

Don't think the Pac 12 won't go back into the big12 if they want to. Texas looks out for themselves (I got no beef with that) first and foremost. The Longhorns will go west in a heartbeat if they have to, and the Pac 12 will take Texas regardless of any hard feelings from a couple years ago. I think the big12 is less stable today than what everyone thought they were just a week ago.

Finally, KU would be a nice addition to the B1G. Their football program has along way to go, but so does a certain basketball program that already is a member of the B1G.

[49r]

It's going to be really weird seeing you guys play Rutgers as a conference game.

Believe me, it's not going to be any weirder than playing conference games against Indiana, Ohio State, Michigan, et al. already is.

Awesome, though. Awesomely weird.

[jimmykc]

Carrying this line of reasoning a bit forward, why stop at the east coast? I think we should begin to think about establishing a footprint in Spain or the Balkans. And we should be working on getting the B10 network on the BBC.

[49r]

Carrying this line of reasoning a bit forward, why stop at the east coast? I think we should begin to think about establishing a footprint in Spain or the Balkans. And we should be working on getting the B10 network on the BBC.

http://www.blackheartgoldpants.com/2012/11/21/3672018/power-mad-delaney-gains-atlantic-foothold-eyes-iceland-greedily

[Huskerpapa]

Not everyone is happy about Maryland's move to the Big Ten...here are the comments from Tom McMillen

http://www.washingto...pm_opinions_pop

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/terrapins-insider/wp/2012/11/21/tom-mcmillen-rails-on-decision-making-process-confidentiality-agreement-in-washington-post-op-ed/

[HuskerFever]

Not everyone is happy about Maryland's move to the Big Ten...here are the comments from Tom McMillen

http://www.washingto...pm_opinions_pop

http://www.washingto...ton-post-op-ed/

Replace "Maryland" with "Nebraska" and you have 2010 all over again. There were no definitive "better" option between the Big 12 and Big Ten. Each had their own +/-. Couple that with "change" and you have some leery people.

Now, if we're talking Rutgers, I can't find any reason why someone wouldn't want to move to the Big Ten. That was a HUGE boost for their university (even adds a little more prestige to their already great academic programs).

[HuskerFever]

University of Maryland Facts: http://www.bigten.or.../111912aaa.html

Rutgers University Facts: http://www.bigten.or.../112012aad.html

(via BigTen.org)

[Tony]

I'll take your word for that. I don't even know who the Creighton AD is.

Bruce Rasmussen. He's pretty good...

by IH8SIU » Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:08 am

Since Sept. 28, the Creighton volleyball, Creighton men's soccer, Creighton men's basketball and Creighton women's basketball teams are a combined 31-1-1. I know I'm intentionally leaving the women's soccer team out of the discussion, but regardless, that's just straight domination across the board. Bruce only has one building named after him?

[Tony]

Carrying this line of reasoning a bit forward, why stop at the east coast? I think we should begin to think about establishing a footprint in Spain or the Balkans. And we should be working on getting the B10 network on the BBC.

+1