Roster management/class size

[PimpMario]

I don't know a lot about normal roster management because I am only a fan of Nebrasketball.  

 

So is the goal with class sizes to be 3 or 4?  Obviously this is going to be way different at some place like Kentucky.  But are we going to get to the point where we consistently have 3ish seniors a year?

 

I mean in an ideal world your class size would be:

 

Fresh: 4

Soph: 3

Junior: 3

Senior: 3

 

And the extra freshman is there for attrition right?

 

It just seems like at Nebraska we have some years with 3 or 4 graduating and years where we have 0 or 1 player graduation.

If the goal is to have even classes than shouldn't we be trying to space them out at the start of a building project?

 

Shouldn't Jucos only be used to supplement a class that had too much attrition IF the Juco is filling a need?

 

EDIT: I wasn't implying we should save scholarships I just wanted to see a conversation on the top of roster management. 

[Concrete]

Ideally you'd probably like even class sizes, but arbitrarily leaving scholarships open just to achieve that is.......not smart

 

It will work itself out, in the short term Miles needs to put a product on the floor that impresses recruits and makes them want to come play for him.  Leaving scholarships open for the sake of class sizes isn't gonna achieve that

 

"Shouldn't Jucos only be used to supplement a class that had too much attrition IF the Juco is filling a need?"

 

Yes, which is why the only 2 JUCO's we've offered this year are front court players.

[TheKamdyMan]

you will never get even classes at any major D-1 program.  Too many things happen over the years.  You can try but eventually things will get out of balance.

[a0t0w0]

This is a good topic.  Did Doc ever have a stable roster?  Lots of turnover through his tenure.  I know a lot of the players supposedly left on their own, but in most cases it was hard to buy that excuse. 

 

I agree with concrete that it wouldn't be wise to intentionally save scholarships.  I hope that we can start to see more players have a full career at NU, while at the same time not getting in a position where we constantly have "rebuilding" years.

[atskooc]

Saving scholarships intentionally is like putting yourself on probation.  Just because the football team has a history of doing this doesn't mean the basketball team should get in the habit.

[nustudent]

agree that saving ships isn't smart.   That being said...saving one here or there in the first year or two of a rebuilding project is one thing.  If this was year 4 or 5....it wouldn't be an wise thing to do.   Balanced classes are overrated and an impossible thing to sustain

[Concrete]

agree that saving ships isn't smart.   That being said...saving one here or there in the first year or two of a rebuilding project is one thing.  If this was year 4 or 5....it wouldn't be an wise thing to do.   Balanced classes are overrated and an impossible thing to sustain

True, but I don't think any of our current commits are really 'reaches' that would be worth saving the scholarship for.  Obviously all 3 HS commits are more than worthy.  Smith might be questionable to some but I think he's a necessary piece (especially in 2014-2015 when Miles will start to see W/L expectations from the fan base) and will only be on the books for two years.  It will be interesting to see what happens with Sai, I like him quite a bit but I can also understand the sentiment that we should be saving that so we can take a bigger class next year (although I think we'll be taking 3 next year regardless barring dramatic improvement by Parker and/or Vucetic)

[nustudent]

agree that saving ships isn't smart.   That being said...saving one here or there in the first year or two of a rebuilding project is one thing.  If this was year 4 or 5....it wouldn't be an wise thing to do.   Balanced classes are overrated and an impossible thing to sustain

True, but I don't think any of our current commits are really 'reaches' that would be worth saving the scholarship for.  Obviously all 3 HS commits are more than worthy.  Smith might be questionable to some but I think he's a necessary piece (especially in 2014-2015 when Miles will start to see W/L expectations from the fan base) and will only be on the books for two years.  It will be interesting to see what happens with Sai, I like him quite a bit but I can also understand the sentiment that we should be saving that so we can take a bigger class next year (although I think we'll be taking 3 next year regardless barring dramatic improvement by Parker and/or Vucetic)

I wasn't implying that they were.

 

My point was that last year and this year...it's not the end of the world if we leave an open spot or two.   This isn't about rebuilding.  It's about building.  The previous regimes tore down any structure this program has.  Miles needs to start from the very bottom here and needs to lay a solid foundation...so if it means being selective and holding off for a year or two..so be it. 

 

End game...saving scholarships isn't a wise thing to do because you are just taking a bullet out of the clip....but we are at the stage now where it could be beneficial or at the very least not harmful to leave yourself an open spot while you build your program.

[Norm Peterson]

With this discussion about whether (class) size matters, I'm surprised Cip hasn't been on here making jokes about the ol' Johnson.

 

Can we get a "that's what SHE said" joke in here?

[atskooc]

With this discussion about whether (class) size matters, I'm surprised Cip hasn't been on here making jokes about the ol' Johnson.

 

Can we get a "that's what SHE said" joke in here?

We've decided to replace "That's what she said" with "Just like Grandpa."  It's way more disturbing...thus hilarious!

[PimpMario]

We don't want to have one class be too big right.  It is would be pretty bad to have 5 or 6 freshman coming in.

[nustudent]

We don't want to have one class be too big right.  It is would be pretty bad to have 5 or 6 freshman coming in.

 

You don't want to have one...but once your program is established, you don't hold back scholarships to prevent it either.  

[Silverbacked1]

We don't want to have one class be too big right.  It is would be pretty bad to have 5 or 6 freshman coming in.

Unless you are Kentucky.

[KZRider]

Lincoln Speaking in the "Lincoln" movie: "A compass, I learnt when I was surveying, it'll... it'll point you True North from where you're standing, but it's got no advice about the swamps and deserts and chasms that you'll encounter along the way. If in pursuit of your destination, you plunge ahead, heedless of obstacles, and achieve nothing more than to sink in a swamp... What's the use of knowing True North?"

 

Carl von Clausewitz in talking about theories of war defined friction as "the disparity between the ideal performance of units, organisation or systems and their actual performance in real world scenarios"

 

One can paint ideal scenarios but the real genius of leadership is what is done when the ideal is bumped off line. The test of Miles won't be whether he balances his classes, it will be how he manages the frictions of the program. He seems to have a good track record.