Creighton preseason #15? Ha!

[Rome4Lyfe]

Yeah, seriously! Creighton is not and will not ever be that good. When compared to Nebrasketball at this point in time, yeah, they look good but who doesn't? When they play in the conference they do, it is pretty easy to have a good season once in a while and make it to the tournament. There is no competition. They will never be one of the UNC's, Kentucky's, Syracuse's, Uconn's etc.!! They will never be that good no matter how much money is pumped into that school's basketball program! Until they move away from the cream-puff conference they are in, they will always be at best......Mediocre!!!!

GBR!!!!

[Nebrasketballer]

Cue Tony.

Psychic?

[Silverbacked1]

yeah... tonight's powerball numbers are: 0, 12,37,29,86 and powerball number is 1351/2

At least that is what I'm feeling.

[Nebrasketballer]

yeah... tonight's powerball numbers are: 0, 12,37,29,86 and powerball number is 1351/2

At least that is what I'm feeling.

Awesome! I'll give you half if I win.

[DMVHusker]

Not quite sure why this thread is here, and as a Creighton grad/fan I sort of wanted to ignore it, as I do not want to be viewed as a message board troll... but your comment is ridiculous. Based on your name, I'm assuming you like or at least follow Maryland. I have no ill feelings towards the Terps. I actually kind of like them, and think Turgeon has them headed in the right direction. Maybe next year or the year after they'd finish something like 15-3 or 16-2 in the MVC. But, the notion that Maryland is 20 points better than Creighton right now is bizarre. I expect the Terps, like Creighton, to be a bit, but not drastically, improved this year. With that in mind, remember that last season they lost to Alabama (mentioned earlier in this thread in context of their close loss to Creighton) by 20, Iona by 26, and Illinois at home by 9 out of conference, and then lost 10 or 11 conference games in a down year for the ACC. There simply is no basketball evidence that supports your claim.

FWIW, I think 15 might be a tad high, but I'll be surprised if they're not at least somewhere between 20 and 25 at the end of the year.

Last year Maryland gave UNC a much better game then the Blue Jays did? If McDermott played in the ACC he would be lucky to get a double double each game. Other than McDermott, they have no players that would get any playing time in the ACC or any other major conference. But this is a Nebraska board so I don't wanna have a Maryland vs Creighton argument. I honestly think that we will beat Creighton this season and prove there is only one basketball program in this state and it's in Lincoln.

[Badgett Fan]

Last year Maryland gave UNC a much better game then the Blue Jays did? If McDermott played in the ACC he would be lucky to get a double double each game. Other than McDermott, they have no players that would get any playing time in the ACC or any other major conference. But this is a Nebraska board so I don't wanna have a Maryland vs Creighton argument. I honestly think that we will beat Creighton this season and prove there is only one basketball program in this state and it's in Lincoln.

The notion that every major conference team is better than any mid major team is completely inaccurate. If your comments are serious, you do not know what you are talking about.

Without question, the top progams in the major conferences have more talent than teams that aren't in major conferences, barring an exception or two (e.g., UNLV or Memphis (who will soon be a major conference team)). And, those top major conference teams are generally better than virtually every non-major conference team. Of course, such elite programs still lose occasionally to mid major or small conference teams (e.g., Duke losing to a Patriot League team and not quite elite losing to a squad from the MEAC). This should be well understood to anyone who follows college hoops.

But, once you start talking about entire leagues of teams, the truth is that the lesser teams in those leagues do not compare favorably to the better teams outside of those major conference teams. Since you have been referencing the ACC, look at what Boston College did last year. BC lost to 7 non-major conference teams and 4 of those teams failed to make the NCAA tournament. Elsewhere in that league, Wake Forest lost to 3 non-major conference teams that did not make the NCAAs, and Georgia Tech lost to 4 such teams. Similar results can be found throughout the major conferences. And, the majority of such major conference losses are home or neutral-site games, so it is not as if these are tricky road game losses.

Back to the Jays: Last season, Creighton played three of the Big 10 teams that did not make the NCAAs, and Creighton won all three games. But, supposedly McDermott would struggle to score 10 points a game in the ACC (he put up 20 and 9 against UNC, even though he didn't play very well, and that was a really long UNC team for him to match up against), and no other Creighton player would get any playing time on any major conference team? In case you care, Echenique’s numbers at Rutgers, when he was less experienced than he is now, were actually slightly better than his numbers have been at Creighton. Also, the Big East to Creighton transfer before him, Chad Millard from Louisville, was more productive as a Freshman in the Big East than he was while in Omaha.

None of this is to argue that every Creighton player would be logging minutes for Duke, Syracuse or Michigan State, or that Creighton recruits the same caliber players as the top tier major conference teams. Or, even that Creighton is definitely going to blow out Nebraska in Lincoln this year. I do not believe those things, and doubt that most Jays fans do. But, it is ignorant and false to claim that Creighton is inferior to every major conference program. It is not as if we're talking about SEC football vs. Sun Belt football, here. There is tons of parity in this sport, as many people's preseason pick for national champion can attest if they dare remember their 2012 trip to the Bob.

Personally, I hope Nebraska improves in the next couple of years so there can be two high quality teams in the state. It is not as though there is only room for one. Moreover, Nebraska fans need to focus on Big 10 rivals, not Creighton. Regardless of what happens between those two programs, recruiting and on-the-court battles with Penn State, Northwestern, Minnesota, Iowa, Purdue and Illinois will determine whether Nebraska can at least get back to a Nee level of quality.

Finally, I agree with the topic from another forum about moving these threads to that forum.

[Silverbacked1]

Just for you baller.

[HuskerFever]

The notion that every major conference team is better than any mid major team is completely inaccurate.

+1

Depending on which Husker team decides to show up on the court, I would be hesitant if we play Wichita State, Creighton, UNI, or IlStu.

[DMVHusker]

The notion that every major conference team is better than any mid major team is completely inaccurate. If your comments are serious, you do not know what you are talking about.

Without question, the top progams in the major conferences have more talent than teams that aren't in major conferences, barring an exception or two (e.g., UNLV or Memphis (who will soon be a major conference team)). And, those top major conference teams are generally better than virtually every non-major conference team. Of course, such elite programs still lose occasionally to mid major or small conference teams (e.g., Duke losing to a Patriot League team and not quite elite losing to a squad from the MEAC). This should be well understood to anyone who follows college hoops.

But, once you start talking about entire leagues of teams, the truth is that the lesser teams in those leagues do not compare favorably to the better teams outside of those major conference teams. Since you have been referencing the ACC, look at what Boston College did last year. BC lost to 7 non-major conference teams and 4 of those teams failed to make the NCAA tournament. Elsewhere in that league, Wake Forest lost to 3 non-major conference teams that did not make the NCAAs, and Georgia Tech lost to 4 such teams. Similar results can be found throughout the major conferences. And, the majority of such major conference losses are home or neutral-site games, so it is not as if these are tricky road game losses.

Back to the Jays: Last season, Creighton played three of the Big 10 teams that did not make the NCAAs, and Creighton won all three games. But, supposedly McDermott would struggle to score 10 points a game in the ACC (he put up 20 and 9 against UNC, even though he didn't play very well, and that was a really long UNC team for him to match up against), and no other Creighton player would get any playing time on any major conference team? In case you care, Echenique’s numbers at Rutgers, when he was less experienced than he is now, were actually slightly better than his numbers have been at Creighton. Also, the Big East to Creighton transfer before him, Chad Millard from Louisville, was more productive as a Freshman in the Big East than he was while in Omaha.

None of this is to argue that every Creighton player would be logging minutes for Duke, Syracuse or Michigan State, or that Creighton recruits the same caliber players as the top tier major conference teams. Or, even that Creighton is definitely going to blow out Nebraska in Lincoln this year. I do not believe those things, and doubt that most Jays fans do. But, it is ignorant and false to claim that Creighton is inferior to every major conference program. It is not as if we're talking about SEC football vs. Sun Belt football, here. There is tons of parity in this sport, as many people's preseason pick for national champion can attest if they dare remember their 2012 trip to the Bob.

Personally, I hope Nebraska improves in the next couple of years so there can be two high quality teams in the state. It is not as though there is only room for one. Moreover, Nebraska fans need to focus on Big 10 rivals, not Creighton. Regardless of what happens between those two programs, recruiting and on-the-court battles with Penn State, Northwestern, Minnesota, Iowa, Purdue and Illinois will determine whether Nebraska can at least get back to a Nee level of quality.

Finally, I agree with the topic from another forum about moving these threads to that forum.

All I am saying is that if you put a good amount of the major conference teams in the Valley, they would all be top 3 in the league no doubt. Most teams would have a good chance to win the league. I am not gonna say that McDermott is not a great college player, cause he is and yeah he would be able to put up more than 10 a night but obviously he would not dominate like he does in the Valley.

[Creighton Fan]

I joined just to reply to dmv's comments that major conference teams are always better than mids.

I dont know how much college basketball you watch, but a mid major (then from a league of a lower caliber than the MVC) played in two of the last three national championship games. I suspect you are a college FB fan first, where mids beating BCS schools is much rarer.

As another poster pointed out above, Creighton was 3-0 against Big 10 schools last year and 4-1 against BCS conference teams.

Finally, I can only assume you didn't watch the Creighton-UNC tourney game as Echenique outplayed UNC's all american center.

If you just don't like Creighton, just say so and avoid all the hyperbole and exaggeration. Whether you want to believe it ir not, Creighton should be pretty darn salty this year and they were pretty dang good last year too.

[Silverbacked1]

I don't like Creighton.

Well you told me to.

[Tony]

+1

Depending on which Husker team decides to show up on the court, I would be hesitant if we play Wichita State, Creighton, UNI, or IlStu.

I think you could add Evansville to that list this year, also. Colt Ryan could play for ANY team.

[hhcmatt]

+1

Depending on which Husker team decides to show up on the court, I would be hesitant if we play Wichita State, Creighton, UNI, or IlStu.

You can actually just +1 the post without having to type out +1 with the up/down arrows by each post. You can also -1

[royalfan]

I joined just to reply to dmv's comments that major conference teams are always better than mids.

I dont know how much college basketball you watch, but a mid major (then from a league of a lower caliber than the MVC) played in two of the last three national championship games. I suspect you are a college FB fan first, where mids beating BCS schools is much rarer.

As another poster pointed out above, Creighton was 3-0 against Big 10 schools last year and 4-1 against BCS conference teams.

Finally, I can only assume you didn't watch the Creighton-UNC tourney game as Echenique outplayed UNC's all american center.

If you just don't like Creighton, just say so and avoid all the hyperbole and exaggeration. Whether you want to believe it ir not, Creighton should be pretty darn salty this year and they were pretty dang good last year too.

Where did DMV say that major conference teams are always better than mids? Not a great debut being wrong on your first post or two.

[Tony]

Where did DMV say that major conference teams are always better than mids? Not a great debut being wrong on your first post or two.

I was Ok with it.

[royalfan]

I was Ok with it.

If you like being wrong too, that works and is generally par for the course.

[Tony]

Last year Maryland gave UNC a much better game then the Blue Jays did? If McDermott played in the ACC he would be lucky to get a double double each game. Other than McDermott, they have no players that would get any playing time in the ACC or any other major conference. But this is a Nebraska board so I don't wanna have a Maryland vs Creighton argument. I honestly think that we will beat Creighton this season and prove there is only one basketball program in this state and it's in Lincoln.

I honestly think that we will beat Creighton this season and prove there is only one basketball program in this state and it's in Lincoln.

Nebraska may win the game, anything is possible, but do you actually think this would prove there is only one basketball program in the state? That would be similar to saying that Nebraska should be the pre-season number one this year because they beat Indiana last year. Both programs would benefit, along with high school basketball, if there were two programs in our state.

[Silverbacked1]

So you should be #15 because you lost to UNC in the tourny?

Okay I get it.

[royalfan]

I honestly think that we will beat Creighton this season and prove there is only one basketball program in this state and it's in Lincoln.

Nebraska may win the game, anything is possible, but do you actually think this would prove there is only one basketball program in the state? That would be similar to saying that Nebraska should be the pre-season number one this year because they beat Indiana last year. Both programs would benefit, along with high school basketball, if there were two programs in our state.

Not exactly sure what this has to do with you agreeing with someone saying that all majors are always better than mid majors when he never said that. I would probably try and change the subject too. Problem is, it won't work. Not with me.

[Tony]

I was Ok with it.

Sorry Royal Fan, I was referring to the "Not a great debut being wrong on your first post or two." part of the statement when I said I was OK with it. Meaning, I didn't mind being thought of as being wrong. It is just a game, basketball/sports.

[Silverbacked1]

Trolling other teams websites,,, all just games.

[Tony]

So you should be #15 because you lost to UNC in the tourny?

Okay I get it.

I am not one of the voters, nor do I know why the voters voted like they did. I can only guess that the following factors could be considered: Doug McDermott; losing only 1 of the top 10 in the rotation of a team that won 29 games; more depth with the two redshirt freshmen; the two freshmen that are battling for a spot on the roster, instead of redshirting, looking like they could be contributors this year; Creighton made the tourney last year; a center who possibly could dominate That is a lot of positives. But who knows, they have not played a game yet this year, along with everybody else. I just want the college basketball season to start. I don't have a favorite college football team, and am tired of hearing about nothing but football on the local sports each night.

[Creighton Fan]

All I am saying is that if you put a good amount of the major conference teams in the Valley, they would all be top 3 in the league no doubt. Most teams would have a good chance to win the league. I am not gonna say that McDermott is not a great college player, cause he is and yeah he would be able to put up more than 10 a night but obviously he would not dominate like he does in the Valley.

The problem with that argument is that Doug dominated in games outside of the conference too. As stated before, Creighton was 3-0 against Big 10 teams and Doug perfromed very well against all of them. He was also more than solid against both North Carolina and Alabama, two other BCS conference schools. In reading comments by Roy Williams, McCaffrey and yes, Doc, all said they would have loved to have Doug on their team and beleive he is one of the best players in the country.

[Creighton Fan]

So you should be #15 because you lost to UNC in the tourny?

Okay I get it.

Where did he say that?

You know darn well why they are ranked. However, I'm felling helpful, so let me give you a brief list: CU only loses one player from last year's team; CU returns a first team all american (the only first team returning all american by the way), CU has a starting center that is big enough and strong enough to start for almost any team in america not named Indiana; the majority of the team is battle-tested experienced upperclassmen; the team went to the NCAA tournament last year as an 8 seed and won its game.

Perhaps the better question would be, "why shouldn't they be ranked 15?"

[Creighton Fan]

Where did DMV say that major conference teams are always better than mids? Not a great debut being wrong on your first post or two.

It was certainly his insinuation.

Why the internet tough guy routine? Are you that guy for this board?