Houston Hoops Trio Visit To Nebraska (Anderson, Gilmore, Janacek)

[Creighton Fan]

 

 

"I'd also suspect the development of McDermott might also be used as a "want to get to be an all-american/get to the NBA" sort of pitch too."

 

 

Nebraska's new assistant Kenya Hunter has a MUCH more impressive record of developing NBA talent than both McDermott and Creighton.

 

You are kind of cherry picking now.  You can't look only at one Nebraska assistant's results while at a completely different school and assume they will be the same at Nebraska.  Likewise, you are completely ignoring the HC and other assistants. 

 

Even if you are going to assume that what an assistant did elsewhere, he will be able to replicate at Nebraska, you then have to add Sellers to the Creighton side of the ledger.  Are Hunter's results really MUCH more significant than Sellers'?  I doubt it.  

 

Finally, it is without question that McDermott has had more kids play in the NBA (or get drafted into the league) than Miles.  Plus, Creighton has at least one NBA player/first team all american on the roster now.  As I said, If Echenique gets drafted (which I concede is still an if), Mac will have coached/developed two NBA players in only three years at CU.  That's pretty darn good for a BCS school, let a lone a school that was stuck in a mid major conference.

 

"You are kind of cherry picking now. You can't look only at one Nebraska assistant's results while at a completely different school and assume they will be the same at Nebraska."

 

No, I responded to you "cherry picking"...based on the development of 1 Creighton basketball player ("I'd also suspect the development of McDermott might also be used as a "want to get to be an all-american/get to the NBA" sort of pitch too.").  The development of McDermott (coach's son) is not representative of the development of most players that go through Creighton's program.

 

 

 

"Are Hunter's results really MUCH more significant than Sellers'? I doubt it." 

 

False.

 

"Hunter has spent the last six seasons at Georgetown. There, he played a major role in the recruitment of 11 players who were ranked among the Top 100 nationally by either ESPN.com or Rivals.com.

 

He helped develop four NBA players at Georgetown, including Roy Hibbert and Greg Monroe, and will likely have a third NBA first-round pick this month, when Big East player of the year Otto Porter will likely be among the top five picks."

 

http://journalstar.com/sports/huskers/mens-basketball/miles-hires-georgetown-assistant/article_b49245cc-d1e6-11e2-90be-001a4bcf887a.html

 

So where is your comparison with Sellers?  You can't claim a comparison is false unless, you know, you actually do the comparison...

 

And by the way, I wasn't cherry picking.  I was just responding to another poster about what I think Creighton's recruiting pitch was based on.  I never said it was better or worse than Nebraskas, just different.

[Nebrasketballer]

 

 

 

"I'd also suspect the development of McDermott might also be used as a "want to get to be an all-american/get to the NBA" sort of pitch too."

 

 

Nebraska's new assistant Kenya Hunter has a MUCH more impressive record of developing NBA talent than both McDermott and Creighton.

 

You are kind of cherry picking now.  You can't look only at one Nebraska assistant's results while at a completely different school and assume they will be the same at Nebraska.  Likewise, you are completely ignoring the HC and other assistants. 

 

Even if you are going to assume that what an assistant did elsewhere, he will be able to replicate at Nebraska, you then have to add Sellers to the Creighton side of the ledger.  Are Hunter's results really MUCH more significant than Sellers'?  I doubt it.  

 

Finally, it is without question that McDermott has had more kids play in the NBA (or get drafted into the league) than Miles.  Plus, Creighton has at least one NBA player/first team all american on the roster now.  As I said, If Echenique gets drafted (which I concede is still an if), Mac will have coached/developed two NBA players in only three years at CU.  That's pretty darn good for a BCS school, let a lone a school that was stuck in a mid major conference.

 

"You are kind of cherry picking now. You can't look only at one Nebraska assistant's results while at a completely different school and assume they will be the same at Nebraska."

 

No, I responded to you "cherry picking"...based on the development of 1 Creighton basketball player ("I'd also suspect the development of McDermott might also be used as a "want to get to be an all-american/get to the NBA" sort of pitch too.").  The development of McDermott (coach's son) is not representative of the development of most players that go through Creighton's program.

 

 

 

"Are Hunter's results really MUCH more significant than Sellers'? I doubt it." 

 

False.

 

"Hunter has spent the last six seasons at Georgetown. There, he played a major role in the recruitment of 11 players who were ranked among the Top 100 nationally by either ESPN.com or Rivals.com.

 

He helped develop four NBA players at Georgetown, including Roy Hibbert and Greg Monroe, and will likely have a third NBA first-round pick this month, when Big East player of the year Otto Porter will likely be among the top five picks."

 

http://journalstar.com/sports/huskers/mens-basketball/miles-hires-georgetown-assistant/article_b49245cc-d1e6-11e2-90be-001a4bcf887a.html

 

So where is your comparison with Sellers?  You can't claim a comparison is false unless, you know, you actually do the comparison...

 

That's your job, not mine...

[Creighton Fan]

 

 

 

 

"I'd also suspect the development of McDermott might also be used as a "want to get to be an all-american/get to the NBA" sort of pitch too."

 

 

Nebraska's new assistant Kenya Hunter has a MUCH more impressive record of developing NBA talent than both McDermott and Creighton.

 

You are kind of cherry picking now.  You can't look only at one Nebraska assistant's results while at a completely different school and assume they will be the same at Nebraska.  Likewise, you are completely ignoring the HC and other assistants. 

 

Even if you are going to assume that what an assistant did elsewhere, he will be able to replicate at Nebraska, you then have to add Sellers to the Creighton side of the ledger.  Are Hunter's results really MUCH more significant than Sellers'?  I doubt it.  

 

Finally, it is without question that McDermott has had more kids play in the NBA (or get drafted into the league) than Miles.  Plus, Creighton has at least one NBA player/first team all american on the roster now.  As I said, If Echenique gets drafted (which I concede is still an if), Mac will have coached/developed two NBA players in only three years at CU.  That's pretty darn good for a BCS school, let a lone a school that was stuck in a mid major conference.

 

"You are kind of cherry picking now. You can't look only at one Nebraska assistant's results while at a completely different school and assume they will be the same at Nebraska."

 

No, I responded to you "cherry picking"...based on the development of 1 Creighton basketball player ("I'd also suspect the development of McDermott might also be used as a "want to get to be an all-american/get to the NBA" sort of pitch too.").  The development of McDermott (coach's son) is not representative of the development of most players that go through Creighton's program.

 

 

 

"Are Hunter's results really MUCH more significant than Sellers'? I doubt it." 

 

False.

 

"Hunter has spent the last six seasons at Georgetown. There, he played a major role in the recruitment of 11 players who were ranked among the Top 100 nationally by either ESPN.com or Rivals.com.

 

He helped develop four NBA players at Georgetown, including Roy Hibbert and Greg Monroe, and will likely have a third NBA first-round pick this month, when Big East player of the year Otto Porter will likely be among the top five picks."

 

http://journalstar.com/sports/huskers/mens-basketball/miles-hires-georgetown-assistant/article_b49245cc-d1e6-11e2-90be-001a4bcf887a.html

 

So where is your comparison with Sellers?  You can't claim a comparison is false unless, you know, you actually do the comparison...

 

That's your job, not mine...

 

But you are the one definitively saying that one guy's results are significantly better than the other, not me.  I don't know how one can draw a reasonable conclusion without even looking at the other guy...

 

Then again, maybe you just aren't being reasonable. 

[Nebrasketballer]

 

 

 

 

 

"I'd also suspect the development of McDermott might also be used as a "want to get to be an all-american/get to the NBA" sort of pitch too."

 

 

Nebraska's new assistant Kenya Hunter has a MUCH more impressive record of developing NBA talent than both McDermott and Creighton.

 

You are kind of cherry picking now.  You can't look only at one Nebraska assistant's results while at a completely different school and assume they will be the same at Nebraska.  Likewise, you are completely ignoring the HC and other assistants. 

 

Even if you are going to assume that what an assistant did elsewhere, he will be able to replicate at Nebraska, you then have to add Sellers to the Creighton side of the ledger.  Are Hunter's results really MUCH more significant than Sellers'?  I doubt it.  

 

Finally, it is without question that McDermott has had more kids play in the NBA (or get drafted into the league) than Miles.  Plus, Creighton has at least one NBA player/first team all american on the roster now.  As I said, If Echenique gets drafted (which I concede is still an if), Mac will have coached/developed two NBA players in only three years at CU.  That's pretty darn good for a BCS school, let a lone a school that was stuck in a mid major conference.

 

"You are kind of cherry picking now. You can't look only at one Nebraska assistant's results while at a completely different school and assume they will be the same at Nebraska."

 

No, I responded to you "cherry picking"...based on the development of 1 Creighton basketball player ("I'd also suspect the development of McDermott might also be used as a "want to get to be an all-american/get to the NBA" sort of pitch too.").  The development of McDermott (coach's son) is not representative of the development of most players that go through Creighton's program.

 

 

 

"Are Hunter's results really MUCH more significant than Sellers'? I doubt it." 

 

False.

 

"Hunter has spent the last six seasons at Georgetown. There, he played a major role in the recruitment of 11 players who were ranked among the Top 100 nationally by either ESPN.com or Rivals.com.

 

He helped develop four NBA players at Georgetown, including Roy Hibbert and Greg Monroe, and will likely have a third NBA first-round pick this month, when Big East player of the year Otto Porter will likely be among the top five picks."

 

http://journalstar.com/sports/huskers/mens-basketball/miles-hires-georgetown-assistant/article_b49245cc-d1e6-11e2-90be-001a4bcf887a.html

 

So where is your comparison with Sellers?  You can't claim a comparison is false unless, you know, you actually do the comparison...

 

That's your job, not mine...

 

But you are the one definitively saying that one guy's results are significantly better than the other, not me.  I don't know how one can draw a reasonable conclusion without even looking at the other guy...

 

Then again, maybe you just aren't being reasonable. 

 

So I did your homework for you...

 

"Sellers served as Director of Basketball Operations for Jim Calhoun and UConn from 2004-2007 and was promoted to Associate Coach, a position he filled for three seasons. Sellers was instrumental in recruiting a number of the players the 2010-2011 National Championship team including Jeremy Lamb, Shabazz Napier, Tyler Olander, and Roscoe Smith. During his three seasons as an Associate Coach, Sellers was in charge of working with frontcourt players including future NBA players Hasheem Thabeet and Jeff Adrien.

 

Sellers was also part of the UConn staff that recruited the infamous Nate Miles. Miles, a top 80 player in the 2008 class, is best remembered for the major violations between he and the entire UConn staff, particularly with Josh Nochimson, the team’s manager turned agent. The NCAA charged the entire UConn staff with eight recruiting violations following their investigations. Eventually the buck was passed to Sellers. Following a string of resignations, that left Sellers as the fall guy for the situation. He, too, resigned from UConn following the 2010 season. Sellers was exonerated by the NCAA in February of 2011. Following his exoneration

Sellers told ESPN.com, “I was embarrassed. When this came out, it put me in a bad light. I’ve never been in a bad light. I think I’ve only had about three speeding tickets in my life. I was sad. I was down. I’ve always tried to do things the right way. Coaches would ask me for advice coming up. I was always trying to help people and then this happens and you’re just so embarrassed. I felt like I didn’t do anything and I couldn’t believe my name was in it.”"

 

 

So...the two headline players that he is personally credited with developing are Hasheem Thabeet and Jeff Adrien.

 

Hasheem Thabeet:

In April 2009, Thabeet decided to forgo his senior season and declare for the 2009 NBA Draft. He was drafted 2nd overall by the Memphis Grizzlies.

 

Jeff Adrien:

Adrien was not selected in the 2009 NBA Draft, but later signed with Spanish league's Leite Río Breogán in Lugo, Galicia.

 

 

Compare that to Kenya Hunter:

 

 "Hunter has spent the last six seasons at Georgetown. There, he played a major role in the recruitment of 11 players who were ranked among the Top 100 nationally by either ESPN.com or Rivals.com.

 

He helped develop four NBA players at Georgetown, including Roy Hibbert and Greg Monroe, and will likely have a third NBA first-round pick this month, when Big East player of the year Otto Porter will likely be among the top five picks."

 

http://journalstar.com/sports/huskers/mens-basketball/miles-hires-georgetown-assistant/article_b49245cc-d1e6-11e2-90be-001a4bcf887a.html

[Creighton Fan]

Jeff Adrien has been in the NBA for three years now.....

 

As I suspected, the numbers are pretty similar:

 

In THREE years, Sellers put two guys into the NBA.

 

In SIX years, Hunter put four guys into the NBA (five if you count Porter).

 

The rate is pretty darn close.  To say that one guy's results are MUCH better is probably a stretch.

 

Regardless, one's results elsewhere probably are pretty irrelevant when trying to determine how each coach will do in their present positions as each faces much more difficulties now than they did at their prior posts.

[Nebrasketballer]

Jeff Adrien has been in the NBA for three years now.....

 

As I suspected, the numbers are pretty similar:

 

In THREE years, Sellers put two guys into the NBA.

 

In SIX years, Hunter put four guys into the NBA (five if you count Porter).

 

The rate is pretty darn close.  To say that one guy's results are MUCH better is probably a stretch.

 

Regardless, one's results elsewhere probably are pretty irrelevant when trying to determine how each coach will do in their present positions as each faces much more difficulties now than they did at their prior posts.

Uh, no...

 

Adrien may be in the NBA now, but:

Adrien was not selected in the 2009 NBA Draft, but later signed with Spanish league's Leite Río Breogán in Lugo, Galicia.

 

Maybe his development in college wasn't adequate, so he needed to work on his game overseas with another coach...

 

...So that is 1 player that went straight from his coaching to the NBA, without needing to be further developed by another coach...

 

 

"Hunter helped develop four NBA players at Georgetown, including Roy Hibbert and Greg Monroe, and will likely have a third NBA first-round pick this month, when Big East player of the year Otto Porter will likely be among the top five picks."

 

 

 

--There is a reason why Sellers was an assistant at Hofstra when Creighton hired him, while Kenya Hunter was the longest-tenured member of John Thompson III's staff at Georgetown when Nebraska hired him.

[Creighton Fan]

 

Jeff Adrien has been in the NBA for three years now.....

 

As I suspected, the numbers are pretty similar:

 

In THREE years, Sellers put two guys into the NBA.

 

In SIX years, Hunter put four guys into the NBA (five if you count Porter).

 

The rate is pretty darn close.  To say that one guy's results are MUCH better is probably a stretch.

 

Regardless, one's results elsewhere probably are pretty irrelevant when trying to determine how each coach will do in their present positions as each faces much more difficulties now than they did at their prior posts.

Uh, no...

 

Adrien may be in the NBA now, but:

Adrien was not selected in the 2009 NBA Draft, but later signed with Spanish league's Leite Río Breogán in Lugo, Galicia.

 

Maybe his development in college wasn't adequate, so he needed to work on his game overseas with another coach...

 

...So that is 1 player that went straight from his coaching to the NBA, without needing to be further developed by another coach...

 

 

"Hunter helped develop four NBA players at Georgetown, including Roy Hibbert and Greg Monroe, and will likely have a third NBA first-round pick this month, when Big East player of the year Otto Porter will likely be among the top five picks."

 

 

 

--There is a reason why Sellers was an assistant at Hofstra when Creighton hired him, while Kenya Hunter was the longest-tenured member of John Thompson III's staff at Georgetown when Nebraska hired him.

 

Honestly, you are reaching.

 

As I said above though, it doesn't really matter.  The question from here is whether the two assistants can do the same job at their new locales.

[huskerbaseball13]

 

 

Jeff Adrien has been in the NBA for three years now.....

 

As I suspected, the numbers are pretty similar:

 

In THREE years, Sellers put two guys into the NBA.

 

In SIX years, Hunter put four guys into the NBA (five if you count Porter).

 

The rate is pretty darn close.  To say that one guy's results are MUCH better is probably a stretch.

 

Regardless, one's results elsewhere probably are pretty irrelevant when trying to determine how each coach will do in their present positions as each faces much more difficulties now than they did at their prior posts.

Uh, no...

 

Adrien may be in the NBA now, but:

Adrien was not selected in the 2009 NBA Draft, but later signed with Spanish league's Leite Río Breogán in Lugo, Galicia.

 

Maybe his development in college wasn't adequate, so he needed to work on his game overseas with another coach...

 

...So that is 1 player that went straight from his coaching to the NBA, without needing to be further developed by another coach...

 

 

"Hunter helped develop four NBA players at Georgetown, including Roy Hibbert and Greg Monroe, and will likely have a third NBA first-round pick this month, when Big East player of the year Otto Porter will likely be among the top five picks."

 

 

 

--There is a reason why Sellers was an assistant at Hofstra when Creighton hired him, while Kenya Hunter was the longest-tenured member of John Thompson III's staff at Georgetown when Nebraska hired him.

 

Honestly, you are reaching.

 

As I said above though, it doesn't really matter.  The question from here is whether the two assistants can do the same job at their new locales.

 

 

Posting on here so much is really cutting in to your time set aside to tweet at 15 year olds begging them to come to Creighton. #pathetic

[Badgett Fan]

 

 

Not exactly apples to apples.  I could leave Lawrence and be in the downtown Country Club Plaza in KC in less time than it would take me to drive from Lincoln to Omaha.  As HB said, Lawrence is practically part of the KC metro area anymore. 

 

A more apples to apples comparison would be Kansas State and Nebraska.

 

 

Or Iowa State and Nebraska.

 

Honestly, though, I think we make too much of location.  It's a crutch we've used for too long to explain away lack of success.  IMO, it's kind of lazy.

 

For some (mind you I said some, not all) of these inner city kids, you have to understand that to them, a place like Lincoln could look like paradise and a chance to get away from all the really terrible crap they have to deal with on a day-to-day basis.  If it were only about location, schools like DePaul would be in the final four every year.  But they're not.  It takes an incredible amount of commitment to show that we want to win.  We need to win.  We've done that for years and years for football, volleyball, etc.  It's just about G-D time we've decided to do it in Men's hoops now, too...

 

My sense is that geography and facilities matter quite a bit, but are overrated in comparison to the perceived status that players and their coaches, mentors and families attain with certain offers and an eventual commitment.  If all of the involved parties were totally rational, pragmatic people, today’s Nebraska MBB program would be viewed more favorably by top recruits than quite a few of the power conference schools that made the tournament last year, including some of the traditional power programs.  But, that’s not the case, and deciding where to play ball is similar to kids choosing between colleges or professionals choosing between employers (or even similar to how some people choose mates).  Perception and rankings are hugely important in all of the above, even more so with teenagers who may have a pretty narrow view of the college basketball world.  

Try to put yourself in the shoes of a top 100 recruit.  These players have worked really hard to achieve their ranking number or rating stars, probably with a goal of going to a North Carolina, Kentucky or Indiana.  They know well were they stack up compared to other great prospects, and they see one another at basketball camps and tournaments starting at a young age.  Part of how they can prove their worth or ranking, and feel like they’ve achieved what they set out to achieve, is by getting and accepting offers from big name programs.  The easy and expected thing for these top prospects to do is to go with the big name.  Plus, a UCLA or Arizona or Kansas or Ohio State or Duke commitment gives the kid’s parents and coaches some boost or satisfaction that is not really there with a Penn State, Nebraska, South Carolina or Washington State commitment.  Thus, a non-big name school can get the best facilities in the country or be in a talent-rich location, but have difficulty convincing 4 and 5 star guys to take a chance.  Add in Nebraska’s location, which is indeed one of the worst, if not the worst, in terms of proximity to talent (there are plenty of Storrs, Pullman, Ames, Starkville type college towns that are much less attractive than Lincoln, but at least they’re in states with more talent than Nebraska or closer to cities with basketball talent than Lincoln is) among BCS schools, and it is unrealistic to expect quick, dramatic changes on the annual commitment front.  At least Nebraska asserted itself early on in the basketball facilities arm race, and has one less handicap to deal with.

Those on here who have said that patience is required are spot on.  It’s probably going to take a combination of some hard working, under the radar guys and good chemistry to build the program back to a Nee-like level.  At the same time, or maybe once some success is had, the hope would be that Miles can occasionally reel in a less conventional 4 or 5 star guy who can see beyond the name on the front of the jersey and is willing to tell doubters that he’s going to Nebraska.  Or, there are a couple of years that Nebraska produces more than one Gesell or Agau.

[Nebrasketballer]

 

 

Jeff Adrien has been in the NBA for three years now.....

 

As I suspected, the numbers are pretty similar:

 

In THREE years, Sellers put two guys into the NBA.

 

In SIX years, Hunter put four guys into the NBA (five if you count Porter).

 

The rate is pretty darn close.  To say that one guy's results are MUCH better is probably a stretch.

 

Regardless, one's results elsewhere probably are pretty irrelevant when trying to determine how each coach will do in their present positions as each faces much more difficulties now than they did at their prior posts.

Uh, no...

 

Adrien may be in the NBA now, but:

Adrien was not selected in the 2009 NBA Draft, but later signed with Spanish league's Leite Río Breogán in Lugo, Galicia.

 

Maybe his development in college wasn't adequate, so he needed to work on his game overseas with another coach...

 

...So that is 1 player that went straight from his coaching to the NBA, without needing to be further developed by another coach...

 

 

"Hunter helped develop four NBA players at Georgetown, including Roy Hibbert and Greg Monroe, and will likely have a third NBA first-round pick this month, when Big East player of the year Otto Porter will likely be among the top five picks."

 

 

 

--There is a reason why Sellers was an assistant at Hofstra when Creighton hired him, while Kenya Hunter was the longest-tenured member of John Thompson III's staff at Georgetown when Nebraska hired him.

 

Honestly, you are reaching.

 

As I said above though, it doesn't really matter.  The question from here is whether the two assistants can do the same job at their new locales.

 

Honestly, not reaching.  You just have your Creighton goggles on, so you can't see the facts right in front of you...

 

Sellers: 1 player that went directly to the NBA from college, without having to continue development with another coach overseas.

 

Hunter: 4 NBA players at Georgetown 3 of which were NBA first-round picks... The latest will be when Big East player of the year Otto Porter is likely among the top five picks.

 

"In his tenure at Georgetown, he played a significant role in the development of four NBA players, including all-star Roy Hibbert and Greg Monroe, who was the No. 7 pick of the Detroit Pistons in the 2010 NBA Draft. In addition, Hunter will likely produce a third NBA first-round pick this month, as Otto Porter, who was the Big East Player of the Year in 2012-13, is expected to be a top-five pick."

 

 

It's not that hard to see...

 

Again, there is a reason why Sellers was an assistant at Hofstra when Creighton hired him, while Kenya Hunter was the longest-tenured member of John Thompson III's staff at Georgetown when Nebraska hired him.

 

Go be a pest on a Creighton board...You must think the Hunter hire is a pretty big deal for Nebraska, because you are trolling on a Nebraska basketball board talking about it.  If bigger and better things were being built at Creighton right now, then I have a feeling that you would be on a Creighton message board right now...

[TheKamdyMan]

Anyone claiming they helped Hasheem thabeet is someone looking to cling to something.  Thabeet is in the conversation for all top 3 pick bust in the NBA.  While he was good in college he is one of the worst top 3 picks ever in the modern history of the game.  He was the first top 10 pick to ever play in the NBDL.

[The Polish Rifle]

Anyone claiming they helped Hasheem thabeet is someone looking to cling to something.  Thabeet is in the conversation for all top 3 pick bust in the NBA.  While he was good in college he is one of the worst top 3 picks ever in the modern history of the game.  He was the first top 10 pick to ever play in the NBDL.

+1, most of his sucsess in college comes from the fact that he is 7'3''

[Nebrasketballer]

[TheKamdyMan]

Gilmore is playing right now on espu

[Norm Peterson]

How'd he look?

[TheKamdyMan]

How'd he look?

 

There wasnt a whole lot of him in the game.  He was a role player, penetrating, creating, and passing to the 3 stars of the team.  They have 2-5 high stars and a 4 star on the same team (A 4 and 5 star play basically the same psotion as Leon) so everyone basically caters to them.  The team they played was the Nike EYBL Champion this year and very star studded as well so Leon didnt get a ton of minutes logged.  He looks like a player though with the size, speed, athleticism but would need to see a lower level game to actually give him more playing time I'd assume.  

[Nebrasketballer]

I'm pretty sure that @hunterjanacek has a picture of himself with the rest of the "Texas Trio" taking their tour of the inside of Pinnacle Bank Arena posted as his Twitter profile header.

Could be good news. Could mean nothing. But I would think that Nebraska sitting well with one member of the "Texas Trio" helps their chances with the other two. At this point, I think Nebraska is sitting pretty well with all three of them.