Does anyone leave?

[GATA]

 

Of coure they do.  They don't count against next year's scholarship numbers the day they sign.  They won't be on scholarship until a year from June or July or whenever that calendar starts.

 

Right but the majority of players sign in November so Nebraska can only sign 3 players this fall due to the oversigning rule of the B1G and hope that one player leaves.  Now if one left this year you could sign 3 with a 4th possible to oversign.

 

Sorry, I just don't think we're in a place where we can just let capable players go because we might, maybe, perhaps get a better player in here.

> 

Of coure they do.  They don't count against next year's scholarship numbers the day they sign.  They won't be on scholarship until a year from June or July or whenever that calendar starts.

But don't you go into your class a little differently knowing how many spots will be open or not.

 

Not really.  I trust Miles knows what he's going and will do what's best for the program and has his pulse on what will or won't be available to work with.

2014?  We don't need to figure out where that scholarship is going to come from for another year.  You've got that year to see how guys like Parker and Vucetic develop with another year of coaching, strength and conditoning and such.  If one or both of them don't progress, you can cross that bridge then, but we're not to it yet.  

 

Considering we're going to have 4's playing the 5, 3's playing the 4 and some 2's playing the 3, there will be minutes for Parker, especially as Webster, Fuller and Hawkins will likely struggle at times with the transition like Benny did this year.

 

The incoming freshman will more than likely experience growing pains next season as most do, but hopefully the transition will be  less arduous for them as it appeared to be for Parker.  I'm hoping all three are able to contribute closer to the level that Shields did this year.  I like Benny, but have a hard time finding minutes for him if the new guys are as good as we hope they are.

 

Maybe.  I think Fuller or Hawkins could redshirt, but I don't think you can assume that they'll have easy transitions.  The best teams have freshmen that are impact freshmen, but the vast majority of frosh don't become major contributors the moment they step on campus.  Shields was the exception, not the rule.  I don't care how highly touted the freshman is.  What if one or more of them (or someone else) gets hurt or just flat struggles.  Then we go from being nine or ten deep to being back to seven.  You're going to want a guy who's been through it before. 

2014?  We don't need to figure out where that scholarship is going to come from for another year.  You've got that year to see how guys like Parker and Vucetic develop with another year of coaching, strength and conditoning and such.  If one or both of them don't progress, you can cross that bridge then, but we're not to it yet.  

 

Considering we're going to have 4's playing the 5, 3's playing the 4 and some 2's playing the 3, there will be minutes for Parker, especially as Webster, Fuller and Hawkins will likely struggle at times with the transition like Benny did this year.  

We played with 6 this year...so don't think it's a given there are minutes there for him if he doesn't make us better.

Webster, Fuller and Hawkins will likely struggle at times next year...of course all 3 are all likely to be better players than Parker and with a deeper team won't be as obvious.

 

And for the record...I don't think it was the transititioning to the Big 10 level that is behind Parker's struggles.   It's size, talent and ability.

He's got talent, I absolutely believe that.  We're making dangerous assumptions if we think Webster, Fuller and Hawkins will walk on campus and automatically be better than anyone currently on the roster.  We might think that, but we don't know that.  We've seen several guys in this program make progress every year and become quality players by the time they were done.  I have a hard time believing we're in a place where we can just be cutting bait with capable players, which Benny is.  His height will always be something he fights against, no doubt, but that doesn't mean he can't contribute to this program.

 

If what Haymarket Husker says is true, this whole conversation is academic.

 

It would be awfully hard for any of the three to not be any better than what Parker or Vucetic showed this year. Obviously they'll have a full offseason to improve (and Vucetic has some upside), but Parker has a long ways to go IMHO.

[uneblinstu]

Of course he does, I'm not disputing that, but that doesn't mean you can afford to just let him go.

[GATA]

Of course he does, I'm not disputing that, but that doesn't mean you can afford to just let him go.

I just don't see it with Benny. Of course he could develop into an OK backup point guard, and there's nothing necessarily wrong with that, but if we really want to make a move in the B1G, we will need much better prospects than Benny. I think he fits better at a mid-major. If he does indeed stick around, hopefully I'm dead wrong.

[uneblinstu]

I would contend that we need guys just like Benny to fill in the gaps.

[Silverbacked1]

 

Of coure they do.  They don't count against next year's scholarship numbers the day they sign.  They won't be on scholarship until a year from June or July or whenever that calendar starts.

 

Right but the majority of players sign in November so Nebraska can only sign 3 players this fall due to the oversigning rule of the B1G and hope that one player leaves.  Now if one left this year you could sign 3 with a 4th possible to oversign.

 

Sorry, I just don't think we're in a place where we can just let capable players go because we might, maybe, perhaps get a better player in here.

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Of coure they do.  They don't count against next year's scholarship numbers the day they sign.  They won't be on scholarship until a year from June or July or whenever that calendar starts.

But don't you go into your class a little differently knowing how many spots will be open or not.

 

Not really.  I trust Miles knows what he's going and will do what's best for the program and has his pulse on what will or won't be available to work with.

2014?  We don't need to figure out where that scholarship is going to come from for another year.  You've got that year to see how guys like Parker and Vucetic develop with another year of coaching, strength and conditoning and such.  If one or both of them don't progress, you can cross that bridge then, but we're not to it yet.  

 

Considering we're going to have 4's playing the 5, 3's playing the 4 and some 2's playing the 3, there will be minutes for Parker, especially as Webster, Fuller and Hawkins will likely struggle at times with the transition like Benny did this year.

 

The incoming freshman will more than likely experience growing pains next season as most do, but hopefully the transition will be  less arduous for them as it appeared to be for Parker.  I'm hoping all three are able to contribute closer to the level that Shields did this year.  I like Benny, but have a hard time finding minutes for him if the new guys are as good as we hope they are.

 

Maybe.  I think Fuller or Hawkins could redshirt, but I don't think you can assume that they'll have easy transitions.  The best teams have freshmen that are impact freshmen, but the vast majority of frosh don't become major contributors the moment they step on campus.  Shields was the exception, not the rule.  I don't care how highly touted the freshman is.  What if one or more of them (or someone else) gets hurt or just flat struggles.  Then we go from being nine or ten deep to being back to seven.  You're going to want a guy who's been through it before. 

2014?  We don't need to figure out where that scholarship is going to come from for another year.  You've got that year to see how guys like Parker and Vucetic develop with another year of coaching, strength and conditoning and such.  If one or both of them don't progress, you can cross that bridge then, but we're not to it yet.  

 

Considering we're going to have 4's playing the 5, 3's playing the 4 and some 2's playing the 3, there will be minutes for Parker, especially as Webster, Fuller and Hawkins will likely struggle at times with the transition like Benny did this year.  

We played with 6 this year...so don't think it's a given there are minutes there for him if he doesn't make us better.

Webster, Fuller and Hawkins will likely struggle at times next year...of course all 3 are all likely to be better players than Parker and with a deeper team won't be as obvious.

 

And for the record...I don't think it was the transititioning to the Big 10 level that is behind Parker's struggles.   It's size, talent and ability.

He's got talent, I absolutely believe that.  We're making dangerous assumptions if we think Webster, Fuller and Hawkins will walk on campus and automatically be better than anyone currently on the roster.  We might think that, but we don't know that.  We've seen several guys in this program make progress every year and become quality players by the time they were done.  I have a hard time believing we're in a place where we can just be cutting bait with capable players, which Benny is.  His height will always be something he fights against, no doubt, but that doesn't mean he can't contribute to this program.

 

If what Haymarket Husker says is true, this whole conversation is academic.

 

Totally agree, That is what I have been thinking and trying to say.  Thanks for putting it together for me.

[BigTexHusker]

With Parker (and Vooch) It becomes a matter of numbers - survival of the fittest if you will.  The issue with debating this situation now, is we don't have all the numbers yet.  There's no way to tell if either of the two remaining 2013 scholarships will be used.  In the speculation about Bennie, there's no way to tell if the guards we do have committed to scholarships for 2013 will all be avail come opening day.

 

The reason being, this is almost a totally unproven roster when it comes to guards - there's health and academic eligibility that could affect those numbers.  Not to mention the fact that none of us have seen Biggs, Webster, or Hawkins compete against Division 1 coaching and players.

 

To accurately gauge Parker's standing is a tough one to call.  The one thing I feel like will be a constant we can accurately gauge in the process, is Miles.  We know what kind of offense/defense he likes to run, the tempo he likes to play at, and the type guards he prefers to run with (watch Colorado State this NCAA tournament if you get the chance).  All of those players are his.  We also know from his statements throughout this season what he would like for his guards to provide.

 

I'm sure Parker is a competitive person because he's made it to this level of ball.  The only way I see him leaving is if Miles tells him it's in his best interest, and I don't see that happening.

[Norm Peterson]

A couple of observations:

 

1.  The comparisons between Rivers and Parker aren't apples to apples.  Not only does Rivers possess advantages that can't be taught (his length) but he also showed significant promise in practices compared to games last year.  One factor that could have affected Rivers last year was his confidence.  And, as the season progressed, Rivers went from being the only freshman getting minutes to being the last freshman to get minutes.  Bring in a new coach and he starts over with a clean slate and was able to establish himself.  Parker won't have that change of coach that allows him to start over with a clean slate.

 

2.  With respect to Parker having an advantage over next year's freshmen as they make the transition to D1 ball ... well, I hope to heck that isn't the case.  We all thought Shavon might have gotten mention on the Big 10 freshman team although there were plenty of good players to beat him out.  But look what Shavon did this year as a true freshman.  And, in spite of that, he didn't make the All Big 10 freshman team.  If we want to take that next step as a program, it's vital that we upgrade the talent and bring in some players who can supplant guys on the current roster.  I would venture to say that if Benny ISN'T sitting next year, then this freshman class isn't as good as what we thought/hoped/needed.

 

All of this is NOT to say that I want Benny to transfer or think he should.  But, the Rivers experience is not likely going to apply to him and I don't think he has as much advantage over the incoming freshmen as some here believe.

[uneblinstu]

I'm not viewing it as an advantage, I'm viewing it as we're assuming a lot that the newcomers will autmoatically be better than Parker.  On paper, they probably should be, but it doesn't always work out as assumed.

[nustudent]

I'm not viewing it as an advantage, I'm viewing it as we're assuming a lot that the newcomers will autmoatically be better than Parker.  On paper, they probably should be, but it doesn't always work out as assumed.

I don't think that is exactly assuming a lot.

[uneblinstu]

Assume a lot or a little, these things often don't go as planned.  I don't think it's wise to be casting off players.

[nustudent]

Assume a lot or a little, these things often don't go as planned.  I don't think it's wise to be casting off players.

If you can't replace Parker...than Miles isn't who we think he is.   I'm not too worried about filling the void that Parker's absence would cause.

[Silverbacked1]

When did Benny leave?

 

That's what it is starting to sound like the kid has already backed his bags.

 

Let it play out guys.

 

If he stays some of us will will good and others won't, the same if he leaves.

[bison husker]

I'm not viewing it as an advantage, I'm viewing it as we're assuming a lot that the newcomers will autmoatically be better than Parker.  On paper, they probably should be, but it doesn't always work out as assumed.

If the new guys are not better than Parker then we are in a world of hurt.  Parker played the whole year and did not show he would be a player in the future.  I say give him one more year but you would think that he is #3 PG at best behind Webster and Biggs.  I think a redshirt would help him but not good if he does transfer.  Tough call.

[GATA]

Assume a lot or a little, these things often don't go as planned.  I don't think it's wise to be casting off players.

If you can't replace Parker...than Miles isn't who we think he is.   I'm not too worried about filling the void that Parker's absence would cause.

Exactly how I see it.

[uneblinstu]

Assume a lot or a little, these things often don't go as planned.  I don't think it's wise to be casting off players.

If you can't replace Parker...than Miles isn't who we think he is.   I'm not too worried about filling the void that Parker's absence would cause.

But that doesn't make it wise to just kick him out the door.  We're not the L.A. Lakers or even the Kentucky Wildcats.  I realize it probably has happened and will happen again, but that doesn't mean it should.  If Parker decides to move on, so be it, but i'm not in favor of moving a capable player out just because you can.

[GATA]

 

Assume a lot or a little, these things often don't go as planned.  I don't think it's wise to be casting off players.

If you can't replace Parker...than Miles isn't who we think he is.   I'm not too worried about filling the void that Parker's absence would cause.

But that doesn't make it wise to just kick him out the door.  We're not the L.A. Lakers or even the Kentucky Wildcats.  I realize it probably has happened and will happen again, but that doesn't mean it should.  If Parker decides to move on, so be it, but i'm not in favor of moving a capable player out just because you can.

I don't think he's "capable" at this point, but that's not to say he can't be in the future.

[hhcmatt]

Guys typically leave because they're told they won't play/think they won't play.

We left scholarships open last year and might do that this year.

Not counting TM, we only have FIVE returning scholarship players with regular season playing experience.  What planet are the people who might think BP or SV NEED TO GO living on?

 

Doesn't really make sense that anyone on scholarship would leave/be pointed that direction.

It would be shocking to me if anyone left this year.

[nustudent]

 

Assume a lot or a little, these things often don't go as planned.  I don't think it's wise to be casting off players.

If you can't replace Parker...than Miles isn't who we think he is.   I'm not too worried about filling the void that Parker's absence would cause.

But that doesn't make it wise to just kick him out the door.  We're not the L.A. Lakers or even the Kentucky Wildcats.  I realize it probably has happened and will happen again, but that doesn't mean it should.  If Parker decides to move on, so be it, but i'm not in favor of moving a capable player out just because you can.

Real real debateable as to how capable he is.  At least if you have expectations of being a quality team.  The Laker and Wildcat argument could be used against your point in this case.

[GATA]

Guys typically leave because they're told they won't play/think they won't play.

We left scholarships open last year and might do that this year.

Not counting TM, we only have FIVE returning scholarship players with regular season playing experience.  What planet are the people who might think BP or SV NEED TO GO living on?

 

Doesn't really make sense that anyone on scholarship would leave/be pointed that direction.

It would be shocking to me if anyone left this year.

 

You would be shocked if Vooch left? The guy hardly played in a season where we desperately needed bodies. I'd prefer he stays because he's a big, and we need that.

 

Guys like Parker, in my opinion, are a dime a dozen. I'm by no means pushing him out, but I wouldn't mind seeing him leave so we can use that scholarship on a player with much more potential.

 

Just my opinion...

[nustudent]

Guys typically leave because they're told they won't play/think they won't play.

We left scholarships open last year and might do that this year.

Not counting TM, we only have FIVE returning scholarship players with regular season playing experience.  What planet are the people who might think BP or SV NEED TO GO living on?

 

Doesn't really make sense that anyone on scholarship would leave/be pointed that direction.

It would be shocking to me if anyone left this year.

 

You would be shocked if Vooch left? The guy hardly played in a season where we desperately needed bodies. I'd prefer he stays because he's a big, and we need that.

 

Guys like Parker, in my opinion, are a dime a dozen. I'm by no means pushing him out, but I wouldn't mind seeing him leave so we can use that scholarship on a player with much more potential.

 

Just my opinion...

Well said.

 

As it's been said already...if Parker is still playing 15-20 mpg next year.....a couple of our guys aren't what we thought they were.

 

Not saying he is going to go.  Just saying if you give me the choice between Parker and an open scholarship....I think the latter will be a bigger help for us long term.  

[uneblinstu]

 

 

Assume a lot or a little, these things often don't go as planned.  I don't think it's wise to be casting off players.

If you can't replace Parker...than Miles isn't who we think he is.   I'm not too worried about filling the void that Parker's absence would cause.

But that doesn't make it wise to just kick him out the door.  We're not the L.A. Lakers or even the Kentucky Wildcats.  I realize it probably has happened and will happen again, but that doesn't mean it should.  If Parker decides to move on, so be it, but i'm not in favor of moving a capable player out just because you can.

Real real debateable as to how capable he is.  At least if you have expectations of being a quality team.  The Laker and Wildcat argument could be used against your point in this case.

not really.  I'm saying we're not a professional organization moves players as they see fit or a program that should be turning over players just because they can.  

[Silverbacked1]

If I understand you right, both of you are saying that leaving a scholarship open is better than having Benny on the team?

 

If I do understand you correctly, then that is just cold blooded in my opinion.

[nustudent]

If I understand you right, both of you are saying that leaving a scholarship open is better than having Benny on the team?

 

If I do understand you correctly, then that is just cold blooded in my opinion.

You can take it how you want to.

 

This is my point.

 

Parker is not a legit Big 10 basketball player.  If he is playing significant minutes for us...then we aren't very good and some other guys busted.   It is very very very likely that Biggs and Webster will be better than he is.  And because of that...there won't be many minutes for him.   We have some pretty big holes in the frontcourt that we need to have filled.   While it is no guarantee that we garner a hit with any scholarship offer....having a 3rd string point guard isn't helping us either.   As GATA pointed out....guys like Parker are a dime a dozen.  

 

Parker won't offer us much, ever....the new scholarship player could.

[nustudent]

 

 

 

Assume a lot or a little, these things often don't go as planned.  I don't think it's wise to be casting off players.

If you can't replace Parker...than Miles isn't who we think he is.   I'm not too worried about filling the void that Parker's absence would cause.

But that doesn't make it wise to just kick him out the door.  We're not the L.A. Lakers or even the Kentucky Wildcats.  I realize it probably has happened and will happen again, but that doesn't mean it should.  If Parker decides to move on, so be it, but i'm not in favor of moving a capable player out just because you can.

Real real debateable as to how capable he is.  At least if you have expectations of being a quality team.  The Laker and Wildcat argument could be used against your point in this case.

not really.  I'm saying we're not a professional organization moves players as they see fit or a program that should be turning over players just because they can.  

We wouldn't be turning players over because we can....we'd be doing it because we need to.

[Daledangdarn]

I would honestly rather be a losing program than conduct ourselves that way.  Parker played this year and we should at least give him the respect of honoring his scholarship rather than just keeping it open.  nustudent, I pray you are never a coach making these kinds of decisions.