Scrimmage vs UTAH

[Huskerbballfan]

On 10/21/2024 at 8:27 AM, hhcmatt said:

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Was a full 40 minutes scrimmage like a regular game

The last two possessions were: two missed FTs and missed layup at the buzzer

Nebraska left a lot of points out there in terms of missed FTs and missed layups

 

Essegian and Morgan were the first two off the bench, Gavin was 8th, Ulis was 9th.

Juwan was off on offense. Berke and Essegian are subpar defenders. Nebraska was out-physicaled by Utah

This is not true information.

[GhostOfJoeMcCray]

11 hours ago, Huskerpapa said:

My concern is that (1) Juwan will fall in love with his perimeter game and lose site with what makes him significant player for us (2) Meah is so limited offensively that it has a negative effect on the team flow (3) Berke is a black hole and that he will have problems sharing.  Also, is he tough enough to survive in the league (4) Sam's defense and hustle languishes on the bench (5) Morgan doesn't get enough minutes (6) Brice has to carry too much of the scoring burden (7) Rutgers and Wisky lose time due to defensive inefficiencies.  

Other than those...

 

I'm not worried about Juwan, Brice or Sam. Sam didn't play against Utah and we got outphsyicaled and outhustled supposedly? Not a coincidence. He has a role and it will be obvious when we need his presence on the court. 

 

My biggest concern right now is if adding Rollie/Ulis really makes us a better team. We've heard a lot about "finally having a true point guard" but does that mean we'll be better? Worster and Ulis combined for 6 points and hit zero threes against Utah. In Red-White they combined for 14 points and hit one three, though Rollie ran the offense pretty well. 

 

Their career averages put together are 6.5 ppg, 40.0% FG and 29.7% 3PT and 3.12 assists per game.

Jamarques Lawrence last year averaged 6.9 ppg, 42.0% FG and 35.6% 3PT and 2.5 assists.

Sam Griesel in his one year as our PG averaged 12.0 ppg, 44.6% FG and 32.3% 3PT and 3.8 assists.

 

I'm skeptical. If one of them is starting - along with Meah and an unproven Berke - that is a lot less shooting and scoring threats on the court than we ended last year with (Brice, Keisei, Juwan, Mast could all shoot and score). 

 

The way we played the last couple months of last season with Brice running PG really seemed to work for us. In my opinion, the lineup that is as close to a replica as our core group at the end of last year is:

 

Brice

Essegian (for Keisei)

Gary

Berke (for Allick, the biggest reach though)

Morgan (for Mast) 

Edited October 23 by GhostOfJoeMcCray

[hhcmatt]

28 minutes ago, Huskerbballfan said:

This is not true information.

 

Please post any corrections you might have

[millerhusker]

1 hour ago, GhostOfJoeMcCray said:

 

I'm not worried about Juwan, Brice or Sam. Sam didn't play against Utah and we got outphsyicaled and outhustled supposedly? Not a coincidence. He has a role and it will be obvious when we need his presence on the court. 

 

My biggest concern right now is if adding Rollie/Ulis really makes us a better team. We've heard a lot about "finally having a true point guard" but does that mean we'll be better? Worster and Ulis combined for 6 points and hit zero threes against Utah. In Red-White they combined for 14 points and hit one three, though Rollie ran the offense pretty well. 

 

Their career averages put together are 6.5 ppg, 40.0% FG and 29.7% 3PT and 3.12 assists per game.

Jamarques Lawrence last year averaged 6.9 ppg, 42.0% FG and 35.6% 3PT and 2.5 assists.

Sam Griesel in his one year as our PG averaged 12.0 ppg, 44.6% FG and 32.3% 3PT and 3.8 assists.

 

I'm skeptical. If one of them is starting - along with Meah and an unproven Berke - that is a lot less shooting and scoring threats on the court than we ended last year with (Brice, Keisei, Juwan, Mast could all shoot and score). 

 

The way we played the last couple months of last season with Brice running PG really seemed to work for us. In my opinion, the lineup that is as close to a replica as our core group at the end of last year is:

 

Brice

Essegian (for Keisei)

Gary

Berke (for Allick, the biggest reach though)

Morgan (for Mast) 

Offensively, I think Morgan replacing Mast is a much bigger reach than Berke replacing Allick. That's more a compliment to Berke than it is a knock on Morgan. Wouldn't be surprised if he was our 3rd-ish leading scorer (and maybe lead us in rebounding). He might have an NBA future. 

[GhostOfJoeMcCray]

46 minutes ago, millerhusker said:

Offensively, I think Morgan replacing Mast is a much bigger reach than Berke replacing Allick. That's more a compliment to Berke than it is a knock on Morgan. Wouldn't be surprised if he was our 3rd-ish leading scorer (and maybe lead us in rebounding). He might have an NBA future. 

 

I may have been a bit unclear in what I was trying to say. I meant to say Berke is the biggest reach in terms of comparing his style of play to Allick's. I agree with you, I think Berke is going to be 5x the offensive player Allick was, but also probably 5x worse on defense. I was just trying to find a starting 5 that resembled our best starting 5 last year that won a ton of games down the stretch. 

[TourneyBound]

 

 

4 hours ago, GhostOfJoeMcCray said:

My biggest concern right now is if adding Rollie/Ulis really makes us a better team. We've heard a lot about "finally having a true point guard" but does that mean we'll be better? Worster and Ulis combined for 6 points and hit zero threes against Utah. In Red-White they combined for 14 points and hit one three, though Rollie ran the offense pretty well. 

Worster is a stud!,  I have no doubt he is going to lead us where we all want to go!

Just a humble dude who’s willing to do what it takes.  His role will be to distribute and play defense and can make FTs late in games along with Brice to close out close games.  

[Art Vandalay]

17 minutes ago, TourneyBound said:

 

 

Worster is a stud!,  I have no doubt he is going to lead us where we all want to go!

Just a humble dude who’s willing to do what it takes.  His role will be to distribute and play defense and can make FTs late in games along with Brice to close out close games.  

I wondered why he combined them as well. Didn’t Rollie go 10,5,5 last year? That is way better than Lawrence. I could see Ulis losing minutes to Williams as the back up point if he is not contributing. Someone is going to lose minutes.

[Vinny]

30 minutes ago, Art Vandalay said:

I wondered why he combined them as well. Didn’t Rollie go 10,5,5 last year? That is way better than Lawrence. I could see Ulis losing minutes to Williams as the back up point if he is not contributing. Someone is going to lose minutes.

Right? You have to take that 10,5,5 and add what you think Ulis will bring in ~12 mins/game. 

[TourneyBound]

I could see Brice sliding over to PG only to get Essegian on the court.  That very well could be a possibility especially with the numbers Connor has been putting up in these scrimmages..  or you could go Rollie Connor and Brice at the 1, 2, 3.

[thrasher31]

4 minutes ago, TourneyBound said:

I could see Brice sliding over to PG only to get Essegian on the court.  That very well could be a possibility especially with the numbers Connor has been putting up in these scrimmages..  or you could go Rollie Connor and Brice at the 1, 2, 3.

I think we'll see a variety of lineups, this one included. It's a versatile group that can slide up or down positionally. 

[GhostOfJoeMcCray]

Alright you guys talked me into it. Back all in on the Rollie bandwagon.

 

If he can give us somewhere in the range of his last year numbers and Griesel’s senior year numbers, I’ll be a happy camper. Maybe I’m just overly concerned with his and Ulis’ lack of being an outside shooting threat. 

[GhostOfJoeMcCray]

2 hours ago, TourneyBound said:

I could see Brice sliding over to PG only to get Essegian on the court.  That very well could be a possibility especially with the numbers Connor has been putting up in these scrimmages..  or you could go Rollie Connor and Brice at the 1, 2, 3.

Rollie-Connor-Brice-Juwan-Berke might be the lineup they experiment with when they put Berke at the 5.

 

[AuroranHusker]

2 hours ago, GhostOfJoeMcCray said:

Rollie-Connor-Brice-Juwan-Berke might be the lineup they experiment with when they put Berke at the 5.

 

 

I hope to see that combo worked in the mix early in the year. But I'm also intrigued by Morgan & Meah, a real contrast of styles at play.

 

[hhcmatt]

Sam in sweats at the scrimmage. Coach said today he was dealing with an ankle/foot injury.  He hurt one ankle/foot earlier and then was feeling pain in the other as he was likely overcompensating.

 

[hhcmatt]

On 10/21/2024 at 8:27 AM, hhcmatt said:

Other details

 

Was a full 40 minutes scrimmage like a regular game

The last two possessions were: two missed FTs and missed layup at the buzzer

Nebraska left a lot of points out there in terms of missed FTs and missed layups

 

Essegian and Morgan were the first two off the bench, Gavin was 8th, Ulis was 9th.

Juwan was off on offense. Berke and Essegian are subpar defenders. Nebraska was out-physicaled by Utah

 

Correction, it was a 20 minute scrimmage + another 20 minutes of situational basketball

Nebraska went 8-25 in the paint

Only 7 turnovers

[Huskerbballfan]

I think Rollie will be very good for us he is the same shooting level in my opinion as Griesel was.

[GhostOfJoeMcCray]

1 hour ago, Huskerbballfan said:

I think Rollie will be very good for us he is the same shooting level in my opinion as Griesel was.

 

I mean I definitely hope you're right, but the stats don't really say that.

 

In his only year at Nebraska Griesel shot 44.6 / 32.3 / 68.3

In his last year at Utah Worster shot 40.9 / 27.6 / 70.5. In his 4 college seasons he never had a season better than 41.8. Best 3pt% was 32.8. 

 

But if anyone can get those numbers up, it's Fred.

 

But Rollie also won't be taking near the volume of shots Griesel did, or probably even what he did at Utah. We have too many other options to turn to for scoring. If Rollie can average 5-6 assists per game, grab 5-6 rebounds per game, with just 1-2 turnovers per game and chip in 6-10 points efficiently, then we'll be golden. 

 

Edited October 24 by GhostOfJoeMcCray

[hhcmatt]

For his career Worster has taken approximately 2.5 threes per game and makes approximately 0.7 per game. While it's possible that he's one of those senior season guys who makes a magical leap in shooting percentage from 3 or maybe Hoiberg sprinkles some magic dust on him, he basically pays out like Keno and we should budget accordingly.

[Swan88]

Here are a couple observations about Worster's shooting percentages based highlights videos like this one:

1. the ball often gets back into his hands at the end of the shot clock, which can require that he put up a difficult shot; and

2. most of his shots come at the rim, because he likes to do a dribble drive (much like Griesel did) and either get to the rim for a shot or dish-off for an assist. 

Edited October 25 by Swan88