March Tourney Talk

nebrasketball10 · March 17, 2019

25 minutes ago, khoock said:

Do you think 18-14 (8-12)* gets us in???

I do.

*thats our record with two more wins and an "oh for" in the conference tourney.

That’s right between Ohio St. and Indiana

AuroranHusker · March 17, 2019

59 minutes ago, hskr4life said:

I am still thinking 1-2 wins away. Damn if Cope didn't get hurt.

The week that Cope got hurt doomed NU, in my opinion. Nebraska was tied with Ohio St when he went down.... then up next was Wisconsin. NU had to get those two. That's the two. Ughh.

AuroranHusker · March 17, 2019

1 hour ago, jayschool said:

Iowa 5-11 against tournament teams:

0-2 vs. MSU

0-2 vs. Purdue

1-1 vs. Michigan

0-2 vs. Maryland

0-2 vs. Wisconsin

1-1 vs. Minnesota

1-1 vs. Ohio State

1-0 vs. Oregon

1-0 vs. Iowa State

For reference, Nebraska was 4-12.

Iowa isn't any better as they were fortunate to defeat NW and Rutgers whereas Nebraska got Cope injured when they had OSU on the ropes & had Wisc. up next. That's the two for each that comprised the difference between NCAA & N.I.T. The margin is rather thin. Sickeningly so.

Edited March 17, 2019 by AuroranHusker

jayschool · March 17, 2019

1 minute ago, AuroranHusker said:

The margin is rather thin. Sickeningly so.

That's the unofficial #Nebrasketball slogan: "The margin is rather thin. Sickeningly so."

HuskerFever · March 17, 2019

1 minute ago, AuroranHusker said:

Iowa isn't any better. They were fortunate to defeat NW and Rutgers whereas Nebraska got Cope injured when they had OSU on the ropes & had Wisc. up next. That's the two for each that comprised the difference between NCAA & N.I.T. The margin is rather thin. Sickeningly so.

I am having a very hard time, personally, believing that we were only a NW and Rutgers win away from being selected into the tournament. But maybe that's just me.

AuroranHusker · March 17, 2019

Just now, jayschool said:

That's the unofficial #Nebrasketball slogan: "The margin is rather thin. Sickeningly so."

Let's print up some shirts for the "Not In Tournament." LET'S GO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HuskerFever · March 17, 2019

Just now, jayschool said:

That's the unofficial #Nebrasketball slogan: "The margin is rather thin. Sickeningly so."

I thought it was:

"Nebrasketball: "

AuroranHusker · March 17, 2019

2 minutes ago, HuskerFever said:

I am having a very hard time, personally, believing that we were only a NW and Rutgers win away from being selected into the tournament. But maybe that's just me.

No, you missed the point. Iowa is the team who pulled out improbable wins against NW & Rutgers.

Nebraska had OSU & Wisc on the ropes. But Cope being out doomed NU.

<EDIT: By the way, I edited the first post you responded to that hopefully helped>

Edited March 17, 2019 by AuroranHusker

jayschool · March 17, 2019

Just now, AuroranHusker said:

No, you missed the point. Iowa is the team who pulled out improbable wins against NW & Rutgers.

Nebraska had OSU & Wisc on the ropes. But Cope being out doomed NU.

Iowa finished at 44 in the NET to Nebraska's 48. Even a single game going another direction could have switched those positions.

AuroranHusker · March 17, 2019

Just now, jayschool said:

Iowa finished at 44 in the NET to Nebraska's 48. Even a single game going another direction could have switched those positions.

#SickeninglySo.

HuskerFever · March 17, 2019

Just now, jayschool said:

Iowa finished at 44 in the NET to Nebraska's 48. Even a single game going another direction could have switched those positions.

I haven't had time to sit down and look at it, but at the time they announced the field my initial feeling was that a mid-major flavor took precedence over NET importance this season. Would love to hear other people's initial thoughts as the dust settles.

jayschool · March 17, 2019

Just now, HuskerFever said:

I haven't had time to sit down and look at it, but at the time they announced the field my initial feeling was that a mid-major flavor took precedence over NET importance this season. Would love to hear other people's initial thoughts as the dust settles.

Agreed, especially since the highly rated power conference teams were 16-16, 18-16, 17-15 and below sea-level with their conference records.

throwback · March 18, 2019

Here are how the NET numbers ended up as seeds:

NET RANKS (*Non P5 teams)

1 SEEDS: 1, 2, 3, 7

2 SEEDS: 5, 6, 8, 9

3 SEEDS: 4*, 10, 12, 14

4 SEEDS: 11, 16, 20, 24

5 SEEDS: 17, 19, 18, 28

6 SEEDS: 15*, 21, 26, 27

7 SEEDS: 13*, 22, 23*, 25*

8 SEEDS: 29*, 34*, 36, 42

9 SEEDS: 30*, 37, 39, 45

10 SEEDS: 31, 43, 57, 61

11 SEEDS: 32*, 47*, 55, 56*, 63, 73

12 SEEDS: 40*, 44*, 51, 58*

FIRST 4 OUT: 52, 54, 59, 60*

The top 28 in the NET all were given at least a #7 seed. Not sure if they did that on purpose, but it's interesting.

Once you get to the #8 seed line and down, it gets a little weird. As we get closer to the bubble, that's where it seems like the Q1+Q2 wins came into play much more than NET ranking for the P5 teams.

Arizona St gets in with a #63 NET but had 11 Q1+Q2 wins, 3 of which were Q1
St John's has a #73 NET but had 10 Q1+Q2 wins, 5 of which were Q1
Seton Hall has a #57 NET but had 14 Q1+Q2 wins, 7 of which were Q1
Minnesota has a #61 NET but had 12 Q1+Q2 wins, 5 of which were Q1

Syracuse (36) and Mississippi (42) were rewarded for good NET rankings with #8 seeds, even though they only had 7 and 6 Q1+Q2 wins, respectively. Those seeds are a little odd.

Oklahoma (37), Baylor (39), and Washington (45) had similar NET rankings but were made #9 seeds, even though they had 10, 12, and 10 Q1+Q2 wins.

Highest ranked NET P5 teams left out:

NC State, 33 NET / 8 Q1+Q2 wins (3 in Q1)
Clemson, 35 NET/ 7 (1)
Texas, 38 NET / 9 (5)
Nebraska, 48 NET / 9 (3)
Penn St, 50 NET / 7 (3)
TCU, 52 NET / 9 (3)
blue team, 53 NET / 9 (3)
Indiana, 54 NET / 8 (6)

Notice none of these teams got to 10 Q1+Q2 wins.

Much like last year, reaching at least 10 Q1+Q2 wins seemed to be the magic number. Last year, 23 of the 24 teams that got to 10 made the field. This year, 32 of the 34 made the field. Alabama had a 59 NET with 10 Q1+Q2 wins (only 3 Q1). Georgetown had an 82 NET with 11 Q1+Q2 wins (5 Q1). Last year Georgia missed with 10 Q1+Q2 wins but had a bad RPI ranking.

So if we could've beaten Wisconsin, we'd have had 10 Q1+Q2 wins with 4 in Q1 and an NET around 43-45. We'd have been damn close, based on who else made it and who didn't.

And Ohio St/Indiana at the B1G tourney was almost certainly treated like a play-in game. OSU had NET of 55 and 9 Q1+Q2 wins; Indiana had NET of 54 and 8 Q1+Q2 wins. Flip that result, and those two teams are probably flipped.

PimpMario · March 18, 2019

Hype

hskr4life · March 18, 2019

Just now, throwback said:

Here are how the NET numbers ended up as seeds:

NET RANKS (*Non P5 teams)

1 SEEDS: 1, 2, 3, 7

2 SEEDS: 5, 6, 8, 9

3 SEEDS: 4*, 10, 12, 14

4 SEEDS: 11, 16, 20, 24

5 SEEDS: 17, 19, 18, 28

6 SEEDS: 15*, 21, 26, 27

7 SEEDS: 13*, 22, 23*, 25*

8 SEEDS: 29*, 34*, 36, 42

9 SEEDS: 30*, 37, 39, 45

10 SEEDS: 31, 43, 57, 61

11 SEEDS: 32*, 47*, 55, 56*, 63, 73

12 SEEDS: 40*, 44*, 51, 58*

FIRST 4 OUT: 52, 54, 59, 60*

The top 28 in the NET all were given at least a #7 seed. Not sure if they did that on purpose, but it's interesting.

Once you get to the #8 seed line and down, it gets a little weird. As we get closer to the bubble, that's where it seems like the Q1+Q2 wins came into play much more than NET ranking for the P5 teams.

Arizona St gets in with a #63 NET but had 11 Q1+Q2 wins, 3 of which were Q1

St John's has a #73 NET but had 10 Q1+Q2 wins, 5 of which were Q1

Seton Hall has a #57 NET but had 14 Q1+Q2 wins, 7 of which were Q1

Minnesota has a #61 NET but had 12 Q1+Q2 wins, 5 of which were Q1

Syracuse (36) and Mississippi (42) were rewarded for good NET rankings with #8 seeds, even though they only had 7 and 6 Q1+Q2 wins, respectively. Those seeds are a little odd.

Oklahoma (37), Baylor (39), and Washington (45) had similar NET rankings but were made #9 seeds, even though they had 10, 12, and 10 Q1+Q2 wins.

Highest ranked NET P5 teams left out:

NC State, 33 NET / 8 Q1+Q2 wins (3 in Q1)

Clemson, 35 NET/ 7 (1)

Texas, 38 NET / 9 (5)

Nebraska, 48 NET / 9 (3)

Penn St, 50 NET / 7 (3)

TCU, 52 NET / 9 (3)

blue team, 53 NET / 9 (3)

Indiana, 54 NET / 8 (6)

Notice none of these teams got to 10 Q1+Q2 wins.

Much like last year, reaching at least 10 Q1+Q2 wins seemed to be the magic number. Last year, 23 of the 24 teams that got to 10 made the field. This year, 32 of the 34 made the field. Alabama had a 59 NET with 10 Q1+Q2 wins (only 3 Q1). Georgetown had an 82 NET with 11 Q1+Q2 wins (5 Q1). Last year Georgia missed with 10 Q1+Q2 wins but had a bad RPI ranking.

So if we could've beaten Wisconsin, we'd have had 10 Q1+Q2 wins with 4 in Q1 and an NET around 43-45. We'd have been damn close, based on who else made it and who didn't.

And Ohio St/Indiana at the B1G tourney was almost certainly treated like a play-in game. OSU had NET of 55 and 9 Q1+Q2 wins; Indiana had NET of 54 and 8 Q1+Q2 wins. Flip that result, and those two teams are probably flipped.

Thanks for this!

AuroranHusker · March 18, 2019

6 minutes ago, throwback said:

Here are how the NET numbers ended up as seeds:

NET RANKS (*Non P5 teams)

1 SEEDS: 1, 2, 3, 7

2 SEEDS: 5, 6, 8, 9

3 SEEDS: 4*, 10, 12, 14

4 SEEDS: 11, 16, 20, 24

5 SEEDS: 17, 19, 18, 28

6 SEEDS: 15*, 21, 26, 27

7 SEEDS: 13*, 22, 23*, 25*

8 SEEDS: 29*, 34*, 36, 42

9 SEEDS: 30*, 37, 39, 45

10 SEEDS: 31, 43, 57, 61

11 SEEDS: 32*, 47*, 55, 56*, 63, 73

12 SEEDS: 40*, 44*, 51, 58*

FIRST 4 OUT: 52, 54, 59, 60*

The top 28 in the NET all were given at least a #7 seed. Not sure if they did that on purpose, but it's interesting.

Once you get to the #8 seed line and down, it gets a little weird. As we get closer to the bubble, that's where it seems like the Q1+Q2 wins came into play much more than NET ranking for the P5 teams.

Arizona St gets in with a #63 NET but had 11 Q1+Q2 wins, 3 of which were Q1

St John's has a #73 NET but had 10 Q1+Q2 wins, 5 of which were Q1

Seton Hall has a #57 NET but had 14 Q1+Q2 wins, 7 of which were Q1

Minnesota has a #61 NET but had 12 Q1+Q2 wins, 5 of which were Q1

Syracuse (36) and Mississippi (42) were rewarded for good NET rankings with #8 seeds, even though they only had 7 and 6 Q1+Q2 wins, respectively. Those seeds are a little odd.

Oklahoma (37), Baylor (39), and Washington (45) had similar NET rankings but were made #9 seeds, even though they had 10, 12, and 10 Q1+Q2 wins.

Highest ranked NET P5 teams left out:

NC State, 33 NET / 8 Q1+Q2 wins (3 in Q1)

Clemson, 35 NET/ 7 (1)

Texas, 38 NET / 9 (5)

Nebraska, 48 NET / 9 (3)

Penn St, 50 NET / 7 (3)

TCU, 52 NET / 9 (3)

blue team, 53 NET / 9 (3)

Indiana, 54 NET / 8 (6)

Notice none of these teams got to 10 Q1+Q2 wins.

Much like last year, reaching at least 10 Q1+Q2 wins seemed to be the magic number. Last year, 23 of the 24 teams that got to 10 made the field. This year, 32 of the 34 made the field. Alabama had a 59 NET with 10 Q1+Q2 wins (only 3 Q1). Georgetown had an 82 NET with 11 Q1+Q2 wins (5 Q1). Last year Georgia missed with 10 Q1+Q2 wins but had a bad RPI ranking.

So if we could've beaten Wisconsin, we'd have had 10 Q1+Q2 wins with 4 in Q1 and an NET around 43-45. We'd have been damn close, based on who else made it and who didn't.

And Ohio St/Indiana at the B1G tourney was almost certainly treated like a play-in game. OSU had NET of 55 and 9 Q1+Q2 wins; Indiana had NET of 54 and 8 Q1+Q2 wins. Flip that result, and those two teams are probably flipped.

Thanks for the research, @throwback -- I thought Nebraska had 2 quad-one wins. What are the three? Did the Indiana win sneak into there...... just curious.

Clemson on the road is a good one.

{And, Maryland is obviously one, just this past week.}

Edited March 18, 2019 by AuroranHusker

PimpMario · March 18, 2019

We didn't make the left side

PimpMario · March 18, 2019

Getting scared we are playing cu

jayschool · March 18, 2019

6 minutes ago, PimpMario said:

We didn't make the left side

It's Nebraska; like it or not, it's never gonna go left.

AuroranHusker · March 18, 2019

NEBRASKA vs BUTLER

Holy cow.

jayschool · March 18, 2019

4 seed against Barry Collier's team.

Cazzie22 · March 18, 2019

Butler on Wednesday night

jayschool · March 18, 2019

The Bluebribes are a 2 seed, playing Loyola-Chicago.

PimpMario · March 18, 2019

1 TCU
2 SHSU
4 NU
5 Butler

AuroranHusker · March 18, 2019

1 minute ago, jayschool said:

The Bluebribes are a 2 seed, playing Loyola-Chicago.

Good, can keep rootin' on Sister Jean.

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