So, is Creighton trying to overcome the rep of being soft by being dirty?

[Silverbacked1]

Congratulations again on your win against Ohio State and good luck against Penn State. Also, Norm, Kim Jong-un didn't feed his uncle to dogs, that was made up by, basically, the Japanese equivalent to the Onion.

A friend of my wife's game me a sports book last year that she thought I would love but thought there were some weird articles in it. It was the year in review from the Onion. She had never heard of the Onion. It was a funny read.

[SOB]

Did they look physical during the Nova game, though? I saw a lot of highlights (which is no substitute for watching the game, of course) but in the highlights they were knocking down a lot of 3 bombs and making a lot of finesse plays on the offensive end. That was neither physical nor punk.

There's a difference between playing physical and playing like a punk. Gibbs was sort of their punk in lieu of a physical player and he's out right now, I guess, so maybe they're not trying to be "physical" without him. Beating Nova doesn't mean they were being physical to do it, though. But props to them for a big win.

I know they're enjoying this run, and they should. I kind of liken it to the '97 Championship we had in football. They better enjoy it because it could be a very long time before they have the players again to put together the kind of season they're having this year. These kinds of teams don't come around that often for programs not named Duke or Kentucky or Kansas, etc.

Not here to defend them Norm, but they have out rebounded most B East teams they have played, have not heard of foul outs, T's or flagrants. Nor have I heard other B East fans bitching about dirty play.

[huskerbaseball13]

One stat about Creighton that might say something about how physical a team they are:  Nearly half of their shot attempts (495 out of 1099) are from beyond the arc.  Nearly half.  About 5 out of every 11 shots they take.

 

Don't compare that to us.  Clearly, we don't have the shooters.  Compare that, instead, to a team that they would consider to be closer to their caliber:  Michigan State.  Michigan State has attempted 1141 FGs this year and only 379 were from three.  Which is about like 4 out of every 12 shots.

 

Or Wisconsin.  Of Wisconsin's 984 FG attempts, only 378 have been from beyond the arc. 

 

In all of D1 basketball, only VMI has more 3 pt attempts on the season than Creighton.  (There is some disparity between the NCAA stats and those available on ESPN, by the way.)  Thing is, Creighton has two guys with over 100 3-pt attempts and another guy with more than 80, and they're all seniors.  The guy with the next most 3-pt attempts is a junior who has only 42.

 

So, Creighton is going to need to find another way to score points next year.  Be interesting to see how they do it. 

 

I don't think McDermott will be able to use the same philosophy next year as he is this year.....He wont be wanting to run up and down the court as they wont be anywhere near as efficient as they have been thus far this year.  It will be interesting to see if he is willing to change.  Recruiting his son has seemed to work out okay...he losses him in addition to the remainder of Altman recruits(Wragge, Manigat.)  We will see how well he has recruited, from what I have seen out of their reserves they should expect a few rebuilding years.  It will be interesting to see how their delusional fanbase takes it after having success this year.  I'm sure they arent worried about next year until this year ends(hopefully in the first or second round of the tourny).  It's a long ways away but it will be dissapointing if we don't take care of business vs them at home next year.  Assuming the Huskers don't have any major injuries or defections we should be favored to win.     

[Norm Peterson]

Congratulations again on your win against Ohio State and good luck against Penn State. Also, Norm, Kim Jong-un didn't feed his uncle to dogs, that was made up by, basically, the Japanese equivalent to the Onion.

Thanks, Mose.  I heard that about the source of the dogs story but I didn't have any new material yet so I've left it up there.  What's it say, though, about a country's leadership when someone could make up a horrifyingly grizzly news story about them and it doesn't even occur to a number of major news outlets that the story might be satirical?

[Norm Peterson]

13, I'm not going to say that their fanbase is delusional.  A lot of their message board posters are jerks on 'roids, but I suspect the vast majority of their fans are decent and reasonable folks who expect that this next year will be a rebuilding year. 

 

I just give them all kinds of props, though, this year.  Outside of Gibbs, about whom I would have nothing good to say, I give them credit for the kind of team they are.  I'm envious.  I'm jealous.  They're doing what I wish we could do.

 

In the relatively sparsely populated state of Nebraska, they have put together a damn fine basketball team this year.  And I don't care if it's because the coach's kid happens to be an All-American and that's the only reason.  Even if you want to make that argument, they're still damn good.  And they have a lot of pieces.

 

When I tell Mose I hope he's enjoying it, I sincerely mean I hope he's enjoying it and not with an asterisk that says "because next year you're going to suck."  No, I hope they enjoy it.  I did not enjoy enough the kind of team we had in '91.  And I enjoyed the hell out of that team.  Had I known then that we weren't going to see that caliber of basketball again for more than 20 years, I would have gone to all the away games I could go to.

 

Creighton fans, you better travel with this team this year.  I don't care what you have to do.  Mortgage the house, whatever.  Go to some away games.  Travel to the conference tournament.  Beg, borrow and steal to get NCAA tickets.  Because you caught lightening in a bottle and there's no telling if or when you'll see anything like it pass this way again.

 

Enjoy the hell out of it.  And I only hope we can get a taste of it in the next year or two.

[royalfan]

Most idiots on the message board are delusional, especially the ones in the delusional thread which is incredibly funny.  Probably the dumbest set of posters I have ever seen on a message board. 

[49r]

Norm, it's been almost 25 years now.

[Norm Peterson]

Norm, it's been almost 25 years now.

Damn I'm old.

[Norm Peterson]

Most idiots on the message board are delusional, especially the ones in the delusional thread which is incredibly funny.  Probably the dumbest set of posters I have ever seen on a message board. 

That Delusional thread is quite funny.  They have a 37 page thread about how obsessed Wichita State and Nebraska fans are about them.

[49r]

 

Most idiots on the message board are delusional, especially the ones in the delusional thread which is incredibly funny.  Probably the dumbest set of posters I have ever seen on a message board. 

That Delusional thread is quite funny.  They have a 37 page thread about how obsessed Wichita State and Nebraska fans are about them.

 

 

Isn't it ironic?

[49r]

Don't you think?

[49r]

A little too ironic...

[GoBigRed]

 

Did they look physical during the Nova game, though? I saw a lot of highlights (which is no substitute for watching the game, of course) but in the highlights they were knocking down a lot of 3 bombs and making a lot of finesse plays on the offensive end. That was neither physical nor punk.

There's a difference between playing physical and playing like a punk. Gibbs was sort of their punk in lieu of a physical player and he's out right now, I guess, so maybe they're not trying to be "physical" without him. Beating Nova doesn't mean they were being physical to do it, though. But props to them for a big win.

I know they're enjoying this run, and they should. I kind of liken it to the '97 Championship we had in football. They better enjoy it because it could be a very long time before they have the players again to put together the kind of season they're having this year. These kinds of teams don't come around that often for programs not named Duke or Kentucky or Kansas, etc.

Not here to defend them Norm, but they have out rebounded most B East teams they have played, have not heard of foul outs, T's or flagrants. Nor have I heard other B East fans bitching about dirty play.

 

 

The fact that they outrebound their Big East opponents has little to do with them being physical. It has everything to do with the fact that they are the best shooting team in the country and give opponents very, very few chances for defensive rebounds.

[royalfan]

Need to keep winning some games.  It takes so much of the enjoyment away for so many of them.  There are a lot of those people that have little brother syndrome so bad that they hate us more than they like their own team. 

[GoBigRed]

Can you really trust a fanbase's basketball knowledge when they claim Michigan is an "average" basketball team after they barely beat us? How is that working out?

They have unparalleled amnesia up in Omaha. They don't see how their blowout win at Villanova doesn't put them in the top 10 this week, let alone on track for a 1 seed! They completely forget their games like at Providence. I wish I had that ability to forget all our pathetic games.

Villanova was less competitive against the Jays than we were, and we were on the road. But all you will hear is Nova is a legit top 5 team and NU is the worst major conference team in the country and the only wins we get are complete flukes.

(Sorry Dimes.)

[Cousin Mose]

No Jays fan thinks that Villanova win puts the Jays on track for a one seed, nor do they think it puts them in the top 10.  Don't be silly.  

[GoBigRed]

No Jays fan thinks that Villanova win puts the Jays on track for a one seed, nor do they think it puts them in the top 10.  Don't be silly.  

 

Ok, maybe I exaggerated slightly   but then I read things like "Tim Miles has absolutely nothing to work with...they have absolutely dreadful players on their team...Petteway just throws up shots hoping they'll go in" and then I really don't think my assumptions are too far off.

 

Petteway is 3rd in the Big Ten at 18.2 ppg behind 2 future NBAers. He is shooting 46% on FG, 39% on 3PT and 84% on FT. Not Dougie fresh numbers certainly, but far off from throwing up prayers.

[49r]

Man, I'm really disappointed in how terrible the Big East is this year.  Creighton is great, but I honestly think they'd get at least as much of a challenge in the Mo Valley.

 

It's funny how they feel like they "outgrew" the Valley, but the Wichita State they left behind is better than they are (and anyone else in the Big East) now and it would have been an epic series between those two.

 

Heck the A-10 is way better than the Big East, even.  Butler and X have got to be having second thoughts about leaving that conf.

[Cousin Mose]

Man, I'm really disappointed in how terrible the Big East is this year.  Creighton is great, but I honestly think they'd get at least as much of a challenge in the Mo Valley.

 

It's funny how they feel like they "outgrew" the Valley, but the Wichita State they left behind is better than they are (and anyone else in the Big East) now and it would have been an epic series between those two.

 

Heck the A-10 is way better than the Big East, even.  Butler and X have got to be having second thoughts about leaving that conf.

 

This is worse than made up Creighton fans making made up statements about one seeds.

[GoBigRed]

 

Man, I'm really disappointed in how terrible the Big East is this year.  Creighton is great, but I honestly think they'd get at least as much of a challenge in the Mo Valley.

 

It's funny how they feel like they "outgrew" the Valley, but the Wichita State they left behind is better than they are (and anyone else in the Big East) now and it would have been an epic series between those two.

 

Heck the A-10 is way better than the Big East, even.  Butler and X have got to be having second thoughts about leaving that conf.

 

This is worse than made up Creighton fans making made up statements about one seeds.

 

6 of the 10 teams have at least 8 overall losses. Nebraska has 9 losses (most of them to ranked teams) and is considered a generally awful team by your very own fanbase.

 

Butler, DePaul, St. John's, Georgetown, Marquette and Seton Hall would have to have incredible turnarounds to get to the NCAA Tournament. It's very likely the A-10 gets at least as many bids as the Big East and possibly more.

 

Creighton, Villanova are legit teams. Xavier and Providence are good teams. (Both have 5 losses though, they're comparable to a Minnesota in the Big Ten). The rest are outside the top 70 in the RPI (rpiratings.com).

[49r]

Georgetown and Marquette are huge disappointments.

 

I know, according to RPI the Big East is ahead of the A10 and MVC, but they just don't pass the eyeball test, IMO.  And, honestly, Creighton is a big reason for the higher BE rating.

 

If Creighton was still in the MVC, I'd wager the MVC would be ranked as high or above the NBE as a conference.

[SOB]

Georgetown and Marquette are huge disappointments.

 

I know, according to RPI the Big East is ahead of the A10 and MVC, but they just don't pass the eyeball test, IMO.  And, honestly, Creighton is a big reason for the higher BE rating.

 

If Creighton was still in the MVC, I'd wager the MVC would be ranked as high or above the NBE as a conference.

Its a good argument but the money would not be as good in the MVC so its still a huge win for Creighton. They are getting to play the types of schools who would never play them in Omaha while an MVC member. I would rather play Groergetown or Marquette than Northern Iowa or Southern Missouri St. Realtime RPI has all B East teams in the top 150, the MVC has 5 outside the top 150.

[Cousin Mose]

If Creighton was still in the MVC, I'd wager the MVC would be ranked as high or above the NBE as a conference.

 

You have paid zero attention to how bad the MVC is this year if you are making that statement.  There are seven teams in that league outside of the top 100 rpi while the Big East has seven in the top 100.  The Big East has the second most top 100 wins ranking just behind the ACC, which, by the way, has five more teams.

 

There isn't a metric out there that will tell you that the Big East isn't one of the top five basketball conferences this year other than someone with a bias trying to start some junk on a message board.

[Silverbacked1]

Better watch your junk 49r!

[royalfan]

ATen very similar to big east.   It is an upper echilon mid major, just like the Big East.  Those types of leagues do not have elite big men, but typically very good guards.  It is a better league than the valley though, although if Creighton were in the valley this year it may not be.  Bottom line is the Big East is not a very good league like the Creighton fanbase wants it to be.  It just isn't.