Sergej Vucetic

[tcp]

Mikki's a great comparison, since it took him awhile to grow into his game. Centers have to be looked at a bit differently than other players. If Serge had zero upside, I think he'd be gone already. I'm willing to trust the staff and wait on him.

[atskooc]

 

 

Not all players contribute in their first two years....

Some players take time to develop.

I need to feel good about how this thread is going...please provide names/examples.

Mikki Moore, Roy Hibbert. Jeff Withey, Charles Oakley, John Starks, Latrell Spewell, Devean George, Scottie Pippin for that matter, Luis Scola, David Robinson and even Kareem Abdul-Jabbar didn't play a minute until his second year. Alright except that last one all of the above had different levels of success but all qualify as late bloomers.

 

Jabbar didn't play his freshman year because the NCAA wouldn't allow it.

 

I'm assuming you knew that...but just checking.

[TheKamdyMan]

Mikki's a great comparison, since it took him awhile to grow into his game. Centers have to be looked at a bit differently than other players. If Serge had zero upside, I think he'd be gone already. I'm willing to trust the staff and wait on him.

My guess is Miles is giving him another year to "showcase" some upside. Heck we didn't even fill the open scholarship we had for this year so why would it be a big deal to wait and see if the light comes on in a last chance season. If it works out great but if not he transfers and you have the extra scholarship for the spring going forward. Also another reason you have to assume no one was asked to leave was the APR and keeping the levels up with all the previous turnover. You have to expect it will happen if you're Miles so if you can build up a years level for the future by giving it another year you do it.

[49r]

 

 

 

Not all players contribute in their first two years....

Some players take time to develop.

I need to feel good about how this thread is going...please provide names/examples.

Mikki Moore, Roy Hibbert. Jeff Withey, Charles Oakley, John Starks, Latrell Spewell, Devean George, Scottie Pippin for that matter, Luis Scola, David Robinson and even Kareem Abdul-Jabbar didn't play a minute until his second year. Alright except that last one all of the above had different levels of success but all qualify as late bloomers.

 

Jabbar didn't play his freshman year because the NCAA wouldn't allow it.

 

I'm assuming you knew that...but just checking.

 

 

I was thinking the same thing and was going to mention it, but you beat me to it.

[The Coach]

I remember thinking Jeff Withey was pretty worthless his first 2 years at Kansas. 

 

If we can't get a great post recruit to replace Vooch, we might as well keep him.   Though if we're going to have a post player with limited skills, I'd prefer we error on the side of athleticism.

[hhcmatt]

If he puts 3/4th of the effort into the gym as he does into scoring during garbage time he will contribute to this team at some point.

Dude needs to commit to lifting and getting stronger...bottom line.

[tcp]

 

Mikki's a great comparison, since it took him awhile to grow into his game. Centers have to be looked at a bit differently than other players. If Serge had zero upside, I think he'd be gone already. I'm willing to trust the staff and wait on him.

My guess is Miles is giving him another year to "showcase" some upside. Heck we didn't even fill the open scholarship we had for this year so why would it be a big deal to wait and see if the light comes on in a last chance season. If it works out great but if not he transfers and you have the extra scholarship for the spring going forward. Also another reason you have to assume no one was asked to leave was the APR and keeping the levels up with all the previous turnover. You have to expect it will happen if you're Miles so if you can build up a years level for the future by giving it another year you do it.

 

fair point, kamdy. I still think being gone would have been less a function of coach prodding and more of a probability that Serge would have realized he was in over his head, open schollie or not, and would have opted to preserve his clock by dropping down in competition. The fact that he hasn't done that I take as a sign that coaches are telling him he may yet make a player.

[TheKamdyMan]

 

 

Mikki's a great comparison, since it took him awhile to grow into his game. Centers have to be looked at a bit differently than other players. If Serge had zero upside, I think he'd be gone already. I'm willing to trust the staff and wait on him.

My guess is Miles is giving him another year to "showcase" some upside. Heck we didn't even fill the open scholarship we had for this year so why would it be a big deal to wait and see if the light comes on in a last chance season. If it works out great but if not he transfers and you have the extra scholarship for the spring going forward. Also another reason you have to assume no one was asked to leave was the APR and keeping the levels up with all the previous turnover. You have to expect it will happen if you're Miles so if you can build up a years level for the future by giving it another year you do it.

 

fair point, kamdy. I still think being gone would have been less a function of coach prodding and more of a probability that Serge would have realized he was in over his head, open schollie or not, and would have opted to preserve his clock by dropping down in competition. The fact that he hasn't done that I take as a sign that coaches are telling him he may yet make a player.

 

 

He still has 2 years of eligibility at ANY level beyond this year.  He can redshirt next year and play at another D-1 or play right away d-2 or below.

[NeeandMe]

The book of Vucetic is far from written.  I'm not exactly a scout, but I see a lot more potential than many here.  When he gets the ball where he's supposed to get it, he's got some decent moves.  The weight room and practice will help him get to that spot more.  The lack of coordination is a little more problematic, but I think some of it is because he's still growing into his body.  NBA caliber 7 footers have superior coordination and athletic ability naturally.  That's such a small fraction.  Most 7 footers don't have that and need to work hard on their development and coordination to become quality players. 

 

I believe that if Vucetic is willing to keep putting in the work, be it at Nebraska or somewhere else, he can become a quality player before it's all said and done.  He would definitely be getting more game minutes at a lower-tier D1 school though.  That's a decision that he will have to make though.   

I hope you're right but I don't see it.  

 

Outside of a couple baby hooks that he fell into against other scrubs, he hasn't done anything.  IMO, the times he has put the ball in the hoop have shown nothing other than the other team's scrub was 4 inches shorter and just as uncoordinated.  I hope you're right but I don't see it.  The kid's never gonna make any kind of contribution as far as I can see.  Of the times he has been on the floor he's not once flashed anything other than the inability to move (laterally or vertically), shoot, handle the ball, or stand up straight.

[atskooc]

Is he the new Kelly Lively?

[HB]

Is he the new Kelly Lively?

 

Serge is Charles Atlas compared to Kelly Lively

[lanigan123]

I think serg. Will be gone before Parker.liability on D. He is slow at both ends, while he may be able to shoot lacks speed agility and quickness. He'd be great at uno.

[Dean Smith]

Not all players contribute in their first two years....

Some players take time to develop.

I need to feel good about how this thread is going...please provide names/examples.

Mikki Moore, Roy Hibbert. Jeff Withey, Charles Oakley, John Starks, Latrell Spewell, Devean George, Scottie Pippin for that matter, Luis Scola, David Robinson and even Kareem Abdul-Jabbar didn't play a minute until his second year. Alright except that last one all of the above had different levels of success but all qualify as late bloomers.

Jabbar didn't play his freshman year because the NCAA wouldn't allow it.

I'm assuming you knew that...but just checking.

[Dean Smith]

 

The book of Vucetic is far from written.  I'm not exactly a scout, but I see a lot more potential than many here.  When he gets the ball where he's supposed to get it, he's got some decent moves.  The weight room and practice will help him get to that spot more.  The lack of coordination is a little more problematic, but I think some of it is because he's still growing into his body.  NBA caliber 7 footers have superior coordination and athletic ability naturally.  That's such a small fraction.  Most 7 footers don't have that and need to work hard on their development and coordination to become quality players. 

 

I believe that if Vucetic is willing to keep putting in the work, be it at Nebraska or somewhere else, he can become a quality player before it's all said and done.  He would definitely be getting more game minutes at a lower-tier D1 school though.  That's a decision that he will have to make though.   

I hope you're right but I don't see it.  

 

Outside of a couple baby hooks that he fell into against other scrubs, he hasn't done anything.  IMO, the times he has put the ball in the hoop have shown nothing other than the other team's scrub was 4 inches shorter and just as uncoordinated.  I hope you're right but I don't see it.  The kid's never gonna make any kind of contribution as far as I can see.  Of the times he has been on the floor he's not once flashed anything other than the inability to move (laterally or vertically), shoot, handle the ball, or stand up straight.

 

 

Insult me if you want and if you think Vucetic can't play than say so, but you don't need to be so snide and simply mean spirited. He's representing the university and I don't think anyone has insinuated that he has an issue with his work ethic so he doesn't deserve your sarcasm and derision. Right no (and maybe forever) Tim Miles doesn't believe he is good enough to help the team on the floor during games but was a fairly well recruited D-1 athlete. I assume that such as he is a college athlete he can move laterally, vertically, shoot, and handle the ball  better than you and when he stands up he has a whole lot more straight then you do as well.

 

Again, feel free to insult me or attack me personally. I'm an adult who voluntarily chooses to post on a sports board so I would be foolish to think that people won't disagree with me and at times not speak well of me. You can say that you don't think Sergej is every going to be a contributor on this team without being derogatory towards him because he hasn't done anything to deserve that. As far as I know he hasn't been pulled over while drinking, has not been in any public fights, publicly attacked his coach or teammates, flunked any class and hasn't even been caught in the park with his Vucetic out.

[Norm Peterson]

Been thinking about this question this morning.  I think there are some exigencies that come into play here beyond just whether Sergej can develop enough to contribute at some point in time down the road.  Maybe he could develop; maybe he won't.  I don't know.

 

What I do know is that we have something akin to the fiscal cliff looming in the distance and I think Miles needs one of the sophomore's scholarships before their eligibility expires.

 

Going back to my thread from yesterday about the number of underclassmen who are contributing significantly, I'd point out that our top 5 scoring players the other night were 4 sophomores and a freshman.  Shields, Petteway, Pitchford, Parker and Vooch  all exhaust their eligibility in three seasons.  The players who will replace them are in the recruiting class of 2016.  Those 2016 recruits will be 1st year players the year AFTER Ptichford, Petteway, Shields and Parker are gone. 

 

Think about what that means. 

 

In three seasons, we're going to have a giant hole in our roster.  In order to hedge against when all those contributing players depart and not have a complete and total rebuilding year in year 5 of Tim Miles, we need some players now.  BUT ... we only have 2 spots to offer for '14 right now and only 3 to offer for the class of '15.  I hate to say it, but I think we need Vooch's spot. 

[hhcmatt]

In three seasons, we're going to have a giant hole in our roster.  In order to hedge against when all those contributing players depart and not have a complete and total rebuilding year in year 5 of Tim Miles, we need some players now.  BUT ... we only have 2 spots to offer for '14 right now and only 3 to offer for the class of '15.  I hate to say it, but I think we need Vooch's spot. 

 

We need to use all of our scholarships before we think about whether or not we should replace him. We have one for next year and three for 2015-16

 

Currently we have 2 guards, 2 forwards, and a center lined up for 2016: Webster, Hawkins, Fuller, Pinder, and Hammond.