Officiating

[Tom Jones]

Often – very often – this forum has comments alleging poor officiating.  Today’s MSU game thread is host to a usually high number of such complaints and some of them are unusually harsh. Words and phrases such as “garbage”, “BS”, “worst officiating ever”, “stooges”, “these guys don’t know what they doing” and even “should never be permitted to referee another game” – are becoming common.  To hear it on here, the record for “worst ever” is repeatedly broken as past atrocities fade away and are replaced my even more egregiously bad calls. 

 

Several such comments were made about today’s game which was officiated by Angie Enlund, Cameron Inouye, and Mark Resch. I thought I would check the credentials of this team of alleged know nothings and see how badly their records really stink. 

 

The results: 

 

Angie Enlund has been a collegiate women's basketball official for 24 years, and for 21 of those years in the Division 1 level.  She has made appearances at 14 NCAA Division 1 tournaments, 2 WNIT National Championships, 1 WBI National Championship and 5 Division 2 Elite Eight tournaments.  

 

Mark Resch (from a newspaper article published in 2020) … Resch has been working for the NCAA traveling all over the country to officiate ‘high level’ Division I women’s college basketball, while he has been officiating women’s basketball for the last 20 years, including a total of 12 at the Division I level.  Resch has also worked the biggest gig in college basketball — the NCAA Women’s Tournament — every year since 2014. He has (or will) officiated at the ACC women's basketball tournament every year since at least 2020 

 

Cameron Inouye – has officiated at various levels of college ball and in the WNBA. She has officiated THREE final fours in her career.  Nuff said about her right there.

 

Administrators in several conferences, in the NCAA, and, in one case, the WNBA obvious consider these three to be competent. 

 

As I said in an earlier post, reffing from the on-the-court view is quite a difficult job.  In some ways, fans sitting in the lower bowl and those watching on TV really do have a better view of the action than the people wearing stripes on the court.  We may disagree with the specific calls, but I think the personal invectives I see on here are way over the top.

[Bugeaters1]

5 minutes ago, Tom Jones said:

Often – very often – this forum has comments alleging poor officiating.  Today’s MSU game thread is host to a usually high number of such complaints and some of them are unusually harsh. Words and phrases such as “garbage”, “BS”, “worst officiating ever”, “stooges”, “these guys don’t know what they doing” and even “should never be permitted to referee another game” – are becoming common.  To hear it on here, the record for “worst ever” is repeatedly broken as past atrocities fade away and are replaced my even more egregiously bad calls. 

 

Several such comments were made about today’s game which was officiated by Angie Enlund, Cameron Inouye, and Mark Resch. I thought I would check the credentials of this team of alleged know nothings and see how badly their records really stink. 

 

The results: 

 

Angie Enlund has been a collegiate women's basketball official for 24 years, and for 21 of those years in the Division 1 level.  She has made appearances at 14 NCAA Division 1 tournaments, 2 WNIT National Championships, 1 WBI National Championship and 5 Division 2 Elite Eight tournaments.  

 

Mark Resch (from a newspaper article published in 2020) … Resch has been working for the NCAA traveling all over the country to officiate ‘high level’ Division I women’s college basketball, while he has been officiating women’s basketball for the last 20 years, including a total of 12 at the Division I level.  Resch has also worked the biggest gig in college basketball — the NCAA Women’s Tournament — every year since 2014. He has (or will) officiated at the ACC women's basketball tournament every year since at least 2020 

 

Cameron Inouye – has officiated at various levels of college ball and in the WNBA. She has officiated THREE final fours in her career.  Nuff said about her right there.

 

Administrators in several conferences, in the NCAA, and, in one case, the WNBA obvious consider these three to be competent. 

 

As I said in an earlier post, reffing from the on-the-court view is quite a difficult job.  In some ways, fans sitting in the lower bowl and those watching on TV really do have a better view of the action than the people wearing stripes on the court.  We may disagree with the specific calls, but I think the personal invectives I see on here are way over the top.

I'll make you a deal, when you qiut trashing the coach and players. I'll quit trashing the refs.  Fair enough? But the refs are garbage.

Edited March 9 by Bugeaters1

[Tom Jones]

Bugs, I can't take that deal. I can't stop trashing the coach and the players .... can't stop because, like cocaine, rock climbing, and devil worship, I never started. Yes, I have made reference to what I think are comparative performance deficits by some players and some coaching decisions I didn't understand ... but nothing .... NOTHING ... i have ever said can reasonably be called "trashing".  Players, coaches, referees, and fans ... they are all people - they are human beings ... they are not trash or garbage.  

 

Half of your suggested bargain is out of reach. Can't stop doing what I never started.  But the other half .... well, that's up to you. 

 

Now, as to the particular crew whose histories I made reference to above ... you will be ultra hard pressed to find a group of refs with better credentials who are available to work this tournament. These are as good as it gets.  In the judgement of BiG, NCAA, and WNBA administrative personnel, they are sufficiently competent to be hired and assigned games - important games - over and over and over again.  

[Cazzie22]

I have been critical of coaching decisions, personnel groupings, substitution patterns etc. without being personal, I hope.  I like Amy and she has, to be fair, implemented a culture where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. I will continue to make measured criticism of performances.

 

I try not to be too harsh on officials.  I generally believe the level of officiating in WBB is not great.  I just want consistency.  Seldom does officiating determine the games outcome and part of being a great team is to adapt to how the game is 

being called.

 

Edited March 9 by Cazzie22
Contraction

[Bugeaters1]

 

[Tom Jones]

Yeah, more chirping from guys who have never worn the stripes.  Mitchell went on to say "It’s like it’s impossible to avoid an offensive foul and impossible to get a defensive foul."  Hmmm, let's see how that stands up to the objective facts.  Well there were a total of 32 fouls called. I could pour over the play by play to refine this, but I will go forward with my recollection that 6 of those were offensive.  Now comparing the whine with the facts ...   As an indication of offensive activity, there were 121 shots taken with, let's say, 6 offensive fouls.  This first impossibility (avoiding an offensive foul) was accomplished 115 times.  Conversely, the impossibility of getting a defensive foul was actually accomplished (remember - Mitchell thinks it was impossible) 26 times. 

 

While the occurrence of offensive foul calls was higher than in typical games, it was reasonably consistent between teams.  We say that consistency is what we hope for.  Personally, I think restoring a balance between the aggressiveness permitted of shooters and defenders has been long overdue. Too often I see offensive players go out of their way to create contact unnecessary to their shot in hopes (often successful) of getting to the line.

 

And let's stop and ponder.  Do we really think that the NCAA and the conferences talk among themselves saying "Let's go out and see if we can recruit some dolts, morons, clowns, and stooges who really don't know much about basketball to referee our games!  This would help us market our product, don't you think?".   Or are those in charge doing the best they can to hire, evaluate, retain or discontinue individuals based on their performance ? 

 

Criticizing the officials with invective name calling and colorful hyperbole is easy and it's kinda fun. Comporting the criticism with the facts is far more difficult. 

Edited March 9 by Tom Jones
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[NUtball]

11 hours ago, Tom Jones said:

Often – very often – this forum has comments alleging poor officiating.  Today’s MSU game thread is host to a usually high number of such complaints and some of them are unusually harsh. Words and phrases such as “garbage”, “BS”, “worst officiating ever”, “stooges”, “these guys don’t know what they doing” and even “should never be permitted to referee another game” – are becoming common.  To hear it on here, the record for “worst ever” is repeatedly broken as past atrocities fade away and are replaced my even more egregiously bad calls. 

 

Several such comments were made about today’s game which was officiated by Angie Enlund, Cameron Inouye, and Mark Resch. I thought I would check the credentials of this team of alleged know nothings and see how badly their records really stink. 

 

The results: 

 

Angie Enlund has been a collegiate women's basketball official for 24 years, and for 21 of those years in the Division 1 level.  She has made appearances at 14 NCAA Division 1 tournaments, 2 WNIT National Championships, 1 WBI National Championship and 5 Division 2 Elite Eight tournaments.  

 

Mark Resch (from a newspaper article published in 2020) … Resch has been working for the NCAA traveling all over the country to officiate ‘high level’ Division I women’s college basketball, while he has been officiating women’s basketball for the last 20 years, including a total of 12 at the Division I level.  Resch has also worked the biggest gig in college basketball — the NCAA Women’s Tournament — every year since 2014. He has (or will) officiated at the ACC women's basketball tournament every year since at least 2020 

 

Cameron Inouye – has officiated at various levels of college ball and in the WNBA. She has officiated THREE final fours in her career.  Nuff said about her right there.

 

Administrators in several conferences, in the NCAA, and, in one case, the WNBA obvious consider these three to be competent. 

 

As I said in an earlier post, reffing from the on-the-court view is quite a difficult job.  In some ways, fans sitting in the lower bowl and those watching on TV really do have a better view of the action than the people wearing stripes on the court.  We may disagree with the specific calls, but I think the personal invectives I see on here are way over the top.

Sorry, they were bad.

[redsteve]

I voice (type) my displeasure about the refs occasionally, simply because they can affect the game and it's outcome. They're paid to do a job. In the real world adults that paid for a job ....can get praise or criticism. 

 

As far as our players are concerned, I really think they're off limits to "trashing".  I absolutely believe they are trying to do the best they can. Everyone doesn't have innately the same level of athletic skills. Many are not even old enough to vote yet. Maybe I'm just old school, but leave them alone. I'll bet those that do trash players here......wouldn't say it in person, to their face.

You guys do whatever you must. I ain't never have or ever will be joining that group. My momma taught me better. :)

 

 

Edited March 9 by redsteve

[Bugeaters1]

Ref's in general are GARBAGE. Look at what they got away with the men's game. JUST FUCN GARBAGE!!!!!

 

[Bugeaters1]

 

[Huskerpapa]

12 minutes ago, Bugeaters1 said:

 

I actually thought that West Virginia got away with some thuggery that should have been called.  So the foul disparity could have been worse.  As far as Clark only having one foul, it is likely because she was playing soft defense...at best.

[Bugeaters1]

I actually thought that West Virginia got away with some thuggery that should have been called.  So the foul disparity could have been worse.  As far as Clark only having one foul, it is likely because she was playing soft defense...at best.

I didn't waste my time watching the clown show

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[Bugeaters1]

The ref's are only going to get worse with the 4 Pac 12 schools coming into the fold.

[whoopdeedoo]

17 minutes ago, Bugeaters1 said:

The ref's are only going to get worse with the 4 Pac 12 schools coming into the fold.

geez.......i sure hope you are wrong, bugs. 

[Bugeaters1]

47 minutes ago, whoopdeedoo said:

geez.......i sure hope you are wrong, bugs. 

I was on a PAC12 web site, and they were saying that there is one ref that is very bad.