200 minutes

[MandRHusker]

I am curious Norm, how did you develop the belief that Biggs can't shoot? I'm not sure he is a 3 point guy but what I have seen is that he can penetrate and is quick enough, with enough ups to create his own shot. He looks much better at that than Benny from what I have seen.

[Norm Peterson]

uneblinstu, just to carry on our conversation, I guess my perspective is that if the incoming freshman are the talent upgrade we're hoping they are, then they better be capable of commanding good minutes.  Look back historically on the freshmen we've had who've gone on to make impacts.  Sek Henry, Ryan Anderson, Jake Muhleisen, John Turek ... they all got 20 minutes or more as true freshmen.  If these kids DON'T get big minutes, then the aren't as good as what we were hoping they were.

 

Historically, there's nothing significantly unusual about freshmen coming in and playing high teens to low twenties minutes.  Especially in a team with a roster that has some holes in it that those freshmen can fill.  We don't have shooters, for example, and the freshmen appear to meet that need.  And I mean all of those freshmen are kids who can shoot it.  So, I'm not afraid to suggest that freshmen might get some minutes. 

 

I also won't take minutes away from Shields and Rivers considering we lose two significant inside players and only bring one in to replace them at this point.  But I just can't see Biggs AND Parker logging major minutes.  My feeling would be that it's one or the other. 

[Norm Peterson]

I am curious Norm, how did you develop the belief that Biggs can't shoot? I'm not sure he is a 3 point guy but what I have seen is that he can penetrate and is quick enough, with enough ups to create his own shot. He looks much better at that than Benny from what I have seen.

It's been stated multiple places.  I'm thinking newspaper articles that have been posted on this board where Miles has said Biggs needs to work on his shot or Biggs has said that's his weak area.  And then things I've heard otherwise that reinforce that assessment.  Problem with Biggs driving is that defenders will lay off him and not give him driving lanes until he proves that he can shoot it and make them pay for laying off of him.  If he does that, then he gets Benny's minutes and Benny sits.

[MandRHusker]

I am curious Norm, how did you develop the belief that Biggs can't shoot? I'm not sure he is a 3 point guy but what I have seen is that he can penetrate and is quick enough, with enough ups to create his own shot. He looks much better at that than Benny from what I have seen.

It's been stated multiple places.  I'm thinking newspaper articles that have been posted on this board where Miles has said Biggs needs to work on his shot or Biggs has said that's his weak area.  And then things I've heard otherwise that reinforce that assessment.  Problem with Biggs driving is that defenders will lay off him and not give him driving lanes until he proves that he can shoot it and make them pay for laying off of him.  If he does that, then he gets Benny's minutes and Benny sits.

OK, good enough for me. Sorry to hear it though as I thought Biggs could be a PG with a strong scoring mentality!

[big red22]

Let's play a bit of a guessing game.  Next year we have 200 minutes to disberse per game.  Where do the minutes go.  Let's assume that nobody will get more than 30 minutes a game.  Here is take number one:

Ray           25

Deverell    25

Benny        0

Shavon     25

Petteway   20

Peltz           0

Pitchford    25

Rivers        10

Sergej         0

Fuller          25

Webster      25

Hawkins      10

TBD            10

 

This is kind of hard  -- It may be difficult to get down to a eight or nine minute rotation.  It tells me, that we may be born to run.  Who redshirts?  Who loses or who gains minutes???

 

Ray           32

Deverell    18

Benny        Redshirt or Transfer

Shavon     13

Petteway   18

Peltz           8

Pitchford    33

Rivers       9

Sergej        Redshirt or Transfer

Fuller          25

Webster      22

Hawkins      Redshirt

TBD           22

 

There is no way Pitchford gets less than 30 minutes barring injury

[uneblinstu]

uneblinstu, just to carry on our conversation, I guess my perspective is that if the incoming freshman are the talent upgrade we're hoping they are, then they better be capable of commanding good minutes.  Look back historically on the freshmen we've had who've gone on to make impacts.  Sek Henry, Ryan Anderson, Jake Muhleisen, John Turek ... they all got 20 minutes or more as true freshmen.  If these kids DON'T get big minutes, then the aren't as good as what we were hoping they were.

 

Historically, there's nothing significantly unusual about freshmen coming in and playing high teens to low twenties minutes.  Especially in a team with a roster that has some holes in it that those freshmen can fill.  We don't have shooters, for example, and the freshmen appear to meet that need.  And I mean all of those freshmen are kids who can shoot it.  So, I'm not afraid to suggest that freshmen might get some minutes. 

 

I also won't take minutes away from Shields and Rivers considering we lose two significant inside players and only bring one in to replace them at this point.  But I just can't see Biggs AND Parker logging major minutes.  My feeling would be that it's one or the other. 

I could see Webster being that guy.  I don't know that if I see all 3 getting that many minutes. If we get Atewe I could possibly see him getting those minutes.

[hhcmatt]

It'll be nice next year when we are blowing teams out to be sooo deep we have Benny, Peltz, possibly Rivers, and Shields out there. 

 

If we put things together correctly we'll be lucky to be a top 4-6 B1G team though that doesn't mean we can't blow out these cupcakes we play.

 

Whoever does end up on our bench next year will get to play whenever the players on the court who previously earned the playing time aren't putting forth the effort that day.  Hunger is power motivator.

[Norm Peterson]

Dimes, I picture a fierce battle for minutes next season.  Some guys are going to sit just because we can't play a 12-man rotation.  Miles may prefer something more like 8.  Or 9.  In which case, it'll be the 8 or 9 best players.  And guys who got decent minutes this season might find themselves battling for playing time against the newcomers who sat out this year.  I would suggest that they better be prepared to step up their games during the off-season.  Competition is good.

[cipsucks]

I understand what you're saying, uneblinstu, about going smaller.  But I just don't see Parker and Biggs getting one fourth of the team's total minutes.  If we're going to go small, we better go small with a team that can shoot and I just don't think Parker or Biggs bring that to the table.  I think whoever turns out to be the better between Parker and Biggs probably gets the minutes.  I gave them both 10 but the reality is one will probably play and the other will probably sit.

Barfknecht was on 1620 the zone right after Biggs got the DUI.  It somehow came up in the conversation about what position Biggs would play.  Lee said he creates defensive mismatches for the other team at the 2 spot.  Didn't see him playing much, if any, point.

 

At least that's what I remember....

[Huskerpapa]

I know that in HS Deverell had a great upside.  He really wasn't automatic from the outside, but he certainly could penetrate and he had the ability to make others around him, better.  I have heard that he has struggled with his shot, but I do not think that is going to define Deverell.  In my opinion, it will be his ability to penetrate and open up shots for others.  I can see him breaking down defenses -- especially if he can create a match up problem.  I also think Webster carries that same mantle, but with an outside shot

[unl]

Gallegos - 30

 

Rivers - 15

Biggs - 19

 

Pitchford - 31

Pettaway - 13

Shields - 17

Parker - 10

Vucetic - 5

 

Webster - 32

Fuller - 18

Hawkins - 10

 

What if we bring in Atewe or another guy?  That changes things.  We're gonna be pretty short next year...

[MandRHusker]

I know that in HS Deverell had a great upside.  He really wasn't automatic from the outside, but he certainly could penetrate and he had the ability to make others around him, better.  I have heard that he has struggled with his shot, but I do not think that is going to define Deverell.  In my opinion, it will be his ability to penetrate and open up shots for others.  I can see him breaking down defenses -- especially if he can create a match up problem.  I also think Webster carries that same mantle, but with an outside shot

 

This is my impression of Biggs too CWG. Very effective at penetration, super quick and tremendous ups. His mid range jumper looks good but doesn't have an effective 3 ball shot.

[jimmykc]

I will not speculate on this thread until next summer when the roster is finalized. The inevitable injuries, transfers, additions, etc. make things too unpredicable at this point.