The +/- Thread

[GhostOfJoeMcCray]

Decided to make this its own thread and I'll add updates after every game. 

 

I like tracking +/- because, although not perfect, I think it's a great way to see who impacts winning. And Fred mentions it often so I know the staff values it to some degree. One thing to keep in mind is offense for defense substitutions can skew things. For example, Sam Hoiberg (defense) for Connor Essegian (offense) late in games would only mean Hoiberg has potential to decrease while Essegian only has potential to increase, which isn't totally fair to Hoiberg. 

 

But overall throughout the course of a season, I think it can be telling. We're already seeing how valuable Juwan Gary and Rollie Worster are, which was expected. Perhaps unexpected is Berke's impact through 3 games. 

 

+/- vs. FDU

Hoiberg +22

Griffiths +19

Ulis +14

Berke +12

Jacobsen +12

Gary +12

Williams +10

Worster +7

Essegian +5

Burt +5

Grace +5

Morgan +3

Season +/- (Team +51)

Berke +45

Gary +38

Worster +37

Griffiths +30

Essegian +23

Morgan +17

Hoiberg +16

Williams +16

Jacobsen +12

Ulis +9

Grace +5

Burt +5

Meah +2

[Vinny]

I agree to an extent that offense/defense substitutions can skew one way or the other. But when Sam is creating fast break points with his defense, it skews the other way really quickly. And last night he did that.

[GhostOfJoeMcCray]

Just now, Vinny said:

I agree to an extent that offense/defense substitutions can skew one way or the other. But when Sam is creating fast break points with his defense, it skews the other way really quickly. And last night he did that.

 

True. Sam being a team-high +22 while scoring 2 points and going 1-4 is really just incredible if you think about it. Really hope his 3 ball starts falling soon. At some point it has to...

 

[GhostOfJoeMcCray]

+/- vs. St. Mary's

Williams +7

Meah +1

Berke 0

Essegian 0

Griffiths 0

Hoiberg 0

Worster -1

Ulis -3

Morgan -7

Gary -12

Season +/- (Team +48)

Berke +45

Worster +36

Griffiths +30

Gary +26

Essegian +23

Williams +23

Hoiberg +16

Jacobsen +12

Morgan +10

Ulis +6

Grace +5

Burt +5

Meah +1

Edited November 17 by GhostOfJoeMcCray

[hskr4life]

At the end of the day-- I think our best option for a slimmed rotation is pretty obvious.

 

Starters: Williams, Berke, Worster, Gary, Morgan (or another guard)

 

Subs: Griffiths, Essegian, Hoiberg (went with Hoi over Ulis as I think Sam is more of a disruption defensively, does the little things right, and dirty work)

 

Spot Minutes: Meah (if bigs are in foul trouble, breathers at the end of the half, or teams with big posts), Ulis (if guards are in foul trouble, injuries, etc)

[TourneyBound]

On 11/17/2024 at 4:23 PM, GhostOfJoeMcCray said:

+/- vs. St. Mary's

Williams +7

Meah +1

Berke 0

Essegian 0

Griffiths 0

Hoiberg 0

Worster -1

Ulis -3

Morgan -7

Gary -12

Season +/- (Team +48)

Berke +45

Worster +36

Griffiths +30

Gary +26

Essegian +23

Williams +23

Hoiberg +16

Jacobsen +12

Morgan +10

Ulis +6

Grace +5

Burt +5

Meah +1

Interesting numbers for this game.  Gary really jumps out.  Also that stretch in 2nd half when Brice picked up his 4th foul was huge.  Prolly cost us the win.  I was at the game and had some pretty good seats to see what was happening out there..  Watching Gary when he runs it sure looks like he is still favoring that shoulder but maybe its just me.  Has anyone else noticed this or is it just me??  Also saw Morgan and Brice getting into it early in game as Morgan wasn't where he was supposed to be.  Would be nice to combine Morgans offensive abilities with Meah's fire and defensive abilities into one player.

[millerhusker]

23 minutes ago, TourneyBound said:

Also that stretch in 2nd half when Brice picked up his 4th foul was huge.  Prolly cost us the win.  

Was a pretty selfish frustration foul 90 feet from the basket. You have to be smarter than that. 

[jsthusker]

On 11/18/2024 at 8:42 AM, hskr4life said:

At the end of the day-- I think our best option for a slimmed rotation is pretty obvious.

 

Starters: Williams, Berke, Worster, Gary, Morgan (or another guard)

 

Subs: Griffiths, Essegian, Hoiberg (went with Hoi over Ulis as I think Sam is more of a disruption defensively, does the little things right, and dirty work)

 

Spot Minutes: Meah (if bigs are in foul trouble, breathers at the end of the half, or teams with big posts), Ulis (if guards are in foul trouble, injuries, etc)

Totally agree.  I don't understand why Meah starts.  He is big but has little to no skill.