RIP gtmoblue

[bleujay]

for anyone who wants an interesting look at a message board's existential crisis, head over to the Underground and check out the offtopic board. GtmoBlue (longtime poster on the rivals and wbr sites) was banned for sharing information on recruits that he received from his paying membership on rivals. From what i understand the Rivals site has really improved since Heath Gunderson took over (and they got Perrault out of it), but a lot of jays fans on the underground do not subscribe. Some members are saying that the paywalled information cannot be shared on another board because 'if you want the info, just subscribe'. Personally I think that's bogus. Once Heath puts out information for his subscribers on the internet, that information should not have a chokehold put on it. Once it reaches internet the info becomes public knowledge

[Norm Peterson]

Which board banned him?  Both?

 

Rivals' policy is pretty clear that you don't take what we provide you on the pay side and post it elsewhere.  It's proprietary information and we don't share.

 

Other boards I've been around -- including this one -- frown greatly on people bringing subscription information over here and posting it.  Copyright infringement issues.  Don't ask me, I'm just sayin'.

 

I just know that we here are cautious about the members with Rivals subscriptions giving us any more than just a "it was good news" or "it was bad news" when someone asks what a particular pay-side article was about.

[49r]

The underground will not be the same without gtmo.  It was always hilarious to read his delusional ramblings.

 

 

...maybe we should reach out and see if he'd like to join HHC as a member?  

[Norm Peterson]

OK, I shouldna did it but I did it.  I went and looked at the gtmo post.

 

(sigh)

 

So, for the 90,000th and hopefully last time, message boards are not governed by the First Amendment.  It's like being in somebody's house.  You can say whatever you want in your own home.  You can say basically whatever you want in the public streets and parks.  You cannot say whatever you want in my home and expect me to just have to deal with it.

 

I can kick your ass out of my house if I don't like or agree with what you have to say.

 

And so it is with message boards. 

 

This is Dave's and Dimes's house.  If they don't like what you have to say, the can revoke your privilege to use this forum.  Go spout it on the corner of 17th and Farnam if you want to.  Have at it.  But just because gtmo wants to say it doesn't mean BJU is obligated to provide him a forum to say it.

 

If the BJU doesn't like what he has to say, not only do they not have to defend to the death his right to say it, they also don't have to provide him space within their forum to say it.

 

And his vociferous comments to the contrary just leave me shaking my head.  And laughing.  At him.

[bleujay]

Gtmo was out of line.  he has no rights because it is the internet. And you could make the argument that what he was doing (willfully sharing info from the paid side to the not-paid side) was in poor taste because most the dudes on the Rivals site are also bju members. But at the same time, I don't see how the Rivals guys can put a premium on the info they get from members of the staff. Are they telling those members to keep the information they release top-secret? So, no telling your friend at work about a visit they just got from such and such recruit. Creighton basketball is obviously a long ways off from this, but I am pretty sure than when paywalled info gets posted on a big-time program's subscription site (think uk basketball or alabama football), that info is disseminated to non-paywalled locations on the internet. A person can and should be able to do whatever they want with that info. 

 

Also, Norm, in response to your question, I am not sure if he was banned on both boards. I know for sure he was banned from the Underground. FreddyMac made it pretty clear he had no qualms about doing so and that numerous people have asked for his removal from the site over the years. If I had to guess I would say he is no longer a rivals member either, whether it be because he was banned or because he willingly gave up his membership

[49r]

Gtmo was out of line.  he has no rights because it is the internet. And you could make the argument that what he was doing (willfully sharing info from the paid side to the not-paid side) was in poor taste because most the dudes on the Rivals site are also bju members. But at the same time, I don't see how the Rivals guys can put a premium on the info they get from members of the staff. Are they telling those members to keep the information they release top-secret? So, no telling your friend at work about a visit they just got from such and such recruit. Creighton basketball is obviously a long ways off from this, but I am pretty sure than when paywalled info gets posted on a big-time program's subscription site (think uk basketball or alabama football), that info is disseminated to non-paywalled locations on the internet. A person can and should be able to do whatever they want with that info. 

 

Also, Norm, in response to your question, I am not sure if he was banned on both boards. I know for sure he was banned from the Underground. FreddyMac made it pretty clear he had no qualms about doing so and that numerous people have asked for his removal from the site over the years. If I had to guess I would say he is no longer a rivals member either, whether it be because he was banned or because he willingly gave up his membership

 

 

The way I look at it, it's more of a common courtesy thing than anything.  Forum owners generally afford that courtesy to paywalled stuff and tend to like to extend it to other online media outlets, such as the World Herald or SB Nation or what have you.  Most reasonable forum members respect that desire and can control themselves.

 

It has nothing to do - AT ALL - with the first amendment, nor does it even have to do with whether it is right or even ethical to share information gleaned from other sites.  Again, as I see it, it has everything to do with maintaining good relationships with the online community at large and respecting the wishes of those sites to try to control access to information they provide.

 

We, as forum members, have the absolute freedom to abide by the wishes of the forum owners...or not.  They have the absolute right to decide if they want to allow us to continue posting on their forum..or not.  It is a pretty reasonable give and take if you ask me.

 

Or, in other words, "what Norm said".

[bleujay]

nm

[49r]

so...

 

Are you gonna let us have gtmo or not???

 

[Norm Peterson]

9er, I think there's more to it than just common courtesy.  Dave or Dimes can maybe fill us in but I believe some of the pay sights have rattled their sabers at times over premium or copyrighted content being cut and pasted over here or otherwise shared here.  It's their stuff.  When you purchase a membership, you purchase the right to view it but you don't purchase the right to pass it along on other internet sites.

[49r]

9er, I think there's more to it than just common courtesy.  Dave or Dimes can maybe fill us in but I believe some of the pay sights have rattled their sabers at times over premium or copyrighted content being cut and pasted over here or otherwise shared here.  It's their stuff.  When you purchase a membership, you purchase the right to view it but you don't purchase the right to pass it along on other internet sites.

 

You may be right, I am certainly no expert on the matter, I was merely hypothesizing.

[hhcmatt]

9er, I think there's more to it than just common courtesy.  Dave or Dimes can maybe fill us in but I believe some of the pay sights have rattled their sabers at times over premium or copyrighted content being cut and pasted over here or otherwise shared here.  It's their stuff.  When you purchase a membership, you purchase the right to view it but you don't purchase the right to pass it along on other internet sites.

 

I'll hear from a site if an article is directly copied and pasted and I can respect that...the same sort of way that I don't just copy and paste everything from the local papers. After that there is probably enough useful information that comes out of here that it's a wash.

[49r]

Jeez, I never noticed until now, but the top thread titles here on the College Basketball Forum read like a damn mortuary! 

[jimmykc]

Perhaps instead of College Basketball, this forum should be called the Obituary Forum. Someone here should come up with a college basketball thread which doesn't feature the Grim Reaper-although I did note the football team just signed a player named Grim

[AuroranHusker]

Perhaps instead of College Basketball, this forum should be called the Obituary Forum. Someone here should come up with a college basketball thread which doesn't feature the Grim Reaper-although I did note the football team just signed a player named Grim

 

This forum is typically 'dead' so if the shoe fits, wear it (in your coffin).