Norm Peterson Posted January 5, 2015 Report Posted January 5, 2015 Just a convo starter. Compare and contrast Nebrasketball version 2012-13 with Nebrasketball version 2014-15. Just for reminders: Lineup then vs. Lineup now Sr. Dylan Talley PG Jr. Benny Parker Sr. Ray Gallegos SG Jr. Terran Petteway Fr. Shavon Shields SF Jr. Shavon Shields So. David Rivers PF Sr. David Rivers Sr. Brandon Ubel PF Jr. Walter Pitchford Bench Fr. Benny Parker Fr. Tarin Smith Sr. Andre Almeida So. Tai Webster Thoughts? Comments? Quote
hhctony Posted January 5, 2015 Report Posted January 5, 2015 I'd say this (2014-15) team would beat that team in 8 of 10 games. Quote
gobigredbrah Posted January 5, 2015 Report Posted January 5, 2015 switch around talley and gallegos. gallegos >> parker -2 talley << petteway 0 shields '12-13 << shields '14-15 +2 rivers '12-13 < rivers '14-15 +3 ubel >>> pitchford 0 parker '12-13 < tarin smith +1 almeida > webster 0 result: tie Quote
kldm64 Posted January 5, 2015 Report Posted January 5, 2015 You heard from players and coaches that the "practice" team would dominate in practice the year when Terran and Walter were redshirting. I would take the 2014/15 any day in this matchup. Quote
big red22 Posted January 5, 2015 Report Posted January 5, 2015 switch around talley and gallegos. gallegos >> parker -2 talley << petteway 0 shields '12-13 << shields '14-15 +2 rivers '12-13 < rivers '14-15 +3 ubel >>> pitchford 0 parker '12-13 < tarin smith +1 almeida > webster 0 result: tie Ahhhhh... what? No sir, Ubel is not 3 times greater than Pitchford. Not sure how you came to that conclusion, but it is dead wrong! Quote
Huskerpapa Posted January 5, 2015 Report Posted January 5, 2015 How would we like Ubel on this years team??? Quote
gobigredbrah Posted January 5, 2015 Report Posted January 5, 2015 switch around talley and gallegos. gallegos >> parker -2 talley << petteway 0 shields '12-13 << shields '14-15 +2 rivers '12-13 < rivers '14-15 +3 ubel >>> pitchford 0 parker '12-13 < tarin smith +1 almeida > webster 0 result: tie Ahhhhh... what? No sir, Ubel is not 3 times greater than Pitchford. Not sure how you came to that conclusion, but it is dead wrong! Ubel is a way better rebounder, much higher basketball IQ, way better defender, way better FT shooter, better passer, and better overall scorer. look at their stats and compare. Ubel was averaging 15.6 points per game on a sky high FG % in his first 5 games of his last year at NU. Pitchford is more athletic and a better 3 point shooter. He rarely uses his athleticism to score and he is inconsistent with the 3 pointers this year. replace pitchford with ubel and NU is a top 5 big ten team this year Quote
49r Posted January 5, 2015 Report Posted January 5, 2015 Ubel (as a senior) would be more useful to this years' team than Pitchford (with his current production) is right now, but to say that Ubel is that much better (or any better, really) than Pitch is is laughable. It's just that Ubes would fill a major hole in our roster is all. But I agree with Tony, this year's team would win almost every time against that team. Quote
Norm Peterson Posted January 5, 2015 Author Report Posted January 5, 2015 Ubel (as a senior) would be more useful to this years' team than Pitchford (with his current production) is right now, but to say that Ubel is that much better (or any better, really) than Pitch is is laughable. It's just that Ubes would fill a major hole in our roster is all. But I agree with Tony, this year's team would win almost every time against that team. I agree with the first part of this. Not so sure about the 2nd part. This team probably wins 6/10, maybe 7/10 but I don't know that they go 8/10 against our team from 2 years ago. That team was better than Incarnate Word. As good as some other teams we've struggled against this year, including Loyola Marymount on a neutral floor. My view is, for this year's team and what we need, Ubel would have filled a more important role. Not necessarily a better overall player but, then again, maybe he was. At this stage of each of their careers, Ubel was about a 10 and 7 guy who made very few mistakes and held the post on defense a lot better than Pitchford. When Pitchford gets it going from deep, Brandon couldn't touch him, but that hasn't been the Pitchford we've seen the first half of the season. And while I wouldn't say that Ubel is TONS better than Pitchford, neither would I say that Petteway is TONS better than Talley. Not so far this year. Think when Talley was switched to the point. We got soooo much out of that guy. He could drive, he could dish, and he could hit the three. Remember Iowa? Game winner over Gesell from about 24 feet. Benny this year vs. Ray two years ago? We got good D from Ray then and good D from Benny now. Perhaps better D from Benny but Ray was more of a scoring threat at about 10+ ppg. He didn't shoot a high percentage but teams had to guard him because if they didn't force him to go to his right, they'd probably pay for it. So, I think the biggest difference you can say there is between these two rosters is Shavon two years more experienced and David two years more experienced. The bench from two years ago was better because it better addressed areas of need. This year, we have good guards. What we need is another big and with the injuries to Leslee and Moses, you have to give the nod to the bench from '12-'13. That's why I say that what we've seen from this year's team, they wouldn't dominate the team from two years ago. They'd be better but not monumentally better than two years ago. And most of the difference, IMO, has to do with the two guys sitting injured on the bench. Quote
royalfan Posted January 6, 2015 Report Posted January 6, 2015 Not even really a discussion. The Shields Rivers Parker etc of now are so much better than then. Way deeper now even though it doesn't seem like it currently. Quote
FredsSlacks Posted January 6, 2015 Report Posted January 6, 2015 with leslee and moses, it wouldn't be close. without them, we'd have a tough time guarding ubel and andre. Marv and Silverbacked1 2 Quote
Norm Peterson Posted January 6, 2015 Author Report Posted January 6, 2015 with leslee and moses, it wouldn't be close. without them, we'd have a tough time guarding ubel and andre. I think this is true. Quote
Norm Peterson Posted January 6, 2015 Author Report Posted January 6, 2015 Not even really a discussion. The Shields Rivers Parker etc of now are so much better than then. Way deeper now even though it doesn't seem like it currently. Well, just looking at Rivers ... Two years ago, he averaged 22.7 min, 6.7 pts and 4.0 bds/game. In conference, those numbers were 29/6.2/3.2. This year, he's averaging 29.7 min, 5.3 pts and 5.8 bds/game. But in conference (small sample size) his numbers are 29/4/3. Rivers' raw numbers don't show significant improvement over his sophomore season. Shields obviously is much better now, but Parker was playing about half the number of minutes 2 years ago and scoring nearly the same amount of points. Quote
hhctony Posted January 6, 2015 Report Posted January 6, 2015 I see where you are going with this Norm. It's not a stretch. What I really wish is we could have Ubel and Pitchford on this team right now given our injury situation. We win games like last night with one more big. I'm fairly confident of that. The last possession of the first half last night was big indicator of why. Hammond viotates the cardinal rule of man defense and they get a 3-point play to go up 7. Maybe not that big of a deal in the long run, but the hill is then smaller. Norm Peterson 1 Quote
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