Travelling

[Blindcheck]

One of the basic rules in basketball does not allow a player to move both feet with out dribbling.

I watched the last eight minutes of the creighton game and counted the number of times a player travelled...

I counted 10 times....and a couple times, it was close and I would have let go, or was screened by another player based on tv angles....so it could have been 12 or 13 times.

I just don't understand why this basic rule us ignored....can you imagine in football if lining up offsides was ignored 10 times in the last 8 minutes of the game.

I think a lot of the clutching and grabbing comes from players being put at a disadvantage based on the allowance of players to travel with the ball.

My feeling us call it as the rule states or change the rule....because plays like shields, which might have been a travel was called, when all game long it was ignored.....especially when they ignore jump stops that really aren't because many times players grab the ball before starting the jump stop....which is a travel and puts the defense at a huge disadvantage.

[hhcscott]

First, I'm going to agree that traveling is not called as often as it should be (just like carrying and hand checking)

 

BUT to your football comparison, sure offsides isn't allowed, but holding and illegal contact with a receiver aren't called nearly as often as they happen, but then on a big play or a key moment they are called,

 

It's a problem to call any of these always because there would be no flow to the game.

 

Ideally we would start a program at the lowest levels to have coaches and officials have zero tolerance for fundamental lapses, but pre-teen to teen boys would hate to play for AAU coaches who want to spend time on dribbling instead of on shooting.  Heck, when I coached 8th grade boys, left to their own devices they wanted to practice half court shots instead of layups.

 

I do think we have to have consistency in what is called, maybe you get three steps, or maybe it has to lead to a distinct competitive advantage, 

[MikeWelch937]

First, I'm going to agree that traveling is not called as often as it should be (just like carrying and hand checking)

 

BUT to your football comparison, sure offsides isn't allowed, but holding and illegal contact with a receiver aren't called nearly as often as they happen, but then on a big play or a key moment they are called,

 

It's a problem to call any of these always because there would be no flow to the game.

 

Ideally we would start a program at the lowest levels to have coaches and officials have zero tolerance for fundamental lapses, but pre-teen to teen boys would hate to play for AAU coaches who want to spend time on dribbling instead of on shooting.  Heck, when I coached 8th grade boys, left to their own devices they wanted to practice half court shots instead of layups.

 

I do think we have to have consistency in what is called, maybe you get three steps, or maybe it has to lead to a distinct competitive advantage, 

My thoughts exactly. I can live with traveling not being called tight, as long as it's called that way for both teams.

[Blindcheck]

It frustrates me that it isn't called especially in the lane...because by not calling it, it actually disrupts the flow of the game...more fouls are committed because of it, because of the clutching and grabbing to recover.

Once traveling is called consistently, I think players will adapt quickly....

[colhusker]

I have a buddy that officiates a lot of high school games in Missouri.  I have had this discussion with him often.  He's response to me is that IF he called traveling he would never get asked to officiate.

[Blindcheck]

I have a buddy that officiates a lot of high school games in Missouri. I have had this discussion with him often. He's response to me is that IF he called traveling he would never get asked to officiate.

I have a buddy that officiates a lot of high school games in Missouri. I have had this discussion with him often. He's response to me is that IF he called traveling he would never get asked to officiate.

That is sad, if true.....

Question....is that his opinion, or has he explicitly been told that.

[atskooc]

 

First, I'm going to agree that traveling is not called as often as it should be (just like carrying and hand checking)

 

BUT to your football comparison, sure offsides isn't allowed, but holding and illegal contact with a receiver aren't called nearly as often as they happen, but then on a big play or a key moment they are called,

 

It's a problem to call any of these always because there would be no flow to the game.

 

Ideally we would start a program at the lowest levels to have coaches and officials have zero tolerance for fundamental lapses, but pre-teen to teen boys would hate to play for AAU coaches who want to spend time on dribbling instead of on shooting.  Heck, when I coached 8th grade boys, left to their own devices they wanted to practice half court shots instead of layups.

 

I do think we have to have consistency in what is called, maybe you get three steps, or maybe it has to lead to a distinct competitive advantage, 

My thoughts exactly. I can live with traveling not being called tight, as long as it's called that way for both teams.

 

I have no doubt that refs in the NBA get fined for calling traveling.

[uneblinstu]

It even looked like the ref felt bad about having to make that call on Shields. But it happened right in front of him.

[HB]

It even looked like the ref felt bad about having to make that call on Shields. But it happened right in front of him.

 

Of course, Benny got propelled into the goal standard right in front of a ref, and that didn't matter.

[Blindcheck]

I believe, but not sure, but traveling in NBA is only called when it gives a distinct advantage.....as part of the rules.

I heard that once on a telecast, but unsure if true or just speculation.

[uneblinstu]

 

It even looked like the ref felt bad about having to make that call on Shields. But it happened right in front of him.

 

Of course, Benny got propelled into the goal standard right in front of a ref, and that didn't matter.

 

Yeah, but the ref that called the traveling wasn't on the floor at the time...

[Blackshirt83]

I believe, but not sure, but traveling in NBA is only called when it gives a distinct advantage.....as part of the rules.

I heard that once on a telecast, but unsure if true or just speculation.

Advantage/Disadvantage applies to all fouls and isn't just an NBA rule. If they don't feel it swings to either side they don't call it.

People also don't fully seem to understand what travelling is. To be called for a travel a player first must A. Fully posess the ball with control and B. Establish a pivot foot.

Lots of times for example, a player will slash to the basket recieve a pass and make a layup and people start screaming for a travel because the player took 3 or 4 steps. In reality it doesn't matter if they took 20 steps as long as 18 of thrm came before they fully established those two requirements to qualify as a travel.

[Blindcheck]

The travel that players get away with now is the jump stop travel.....

Players consistently gather the ball and then jump, rather than start the jump and then gather the ball.

If you gather first, it is a travel........and you see it five to ten times a game, and it often causes defensive players to get called for a defensive foul.....

[Dean Smith]

The travel that players get away with now is the jump stop travel.....

Players consistently gather the ball and then jump, rather than start the jump and then gather the ball.

If you gather first, it is a travel........and you see it five to ten times a game, and it often causes defensive players to get called for a defensive foul.....

I'm not understanding you because what it sounds like you are saying doesn't sound like a travel to me.

[colhusker]

 

I have a buddy that officiates a lot of high school games in Missouri. I have had this discussion with him often. He's response to me is that IF he called traveling he would never get asked to officiate.

I have a buddy that officiates a lot of high school games in Missouri. I have had this discussion with him often. He's response to me is that IF he called traveling he would never get asked to officiate.

That is sad, if true.....

Question....is that his opinion, or has he explicitly been told that.

 

Blind I am not sure but believe it is an opinion based on discussion with other officials and or coaches.

[Blindcheck]

The travel that players get away with now is the jump stop travel.....

Players consistently gather the ball and then jump, rather than start the jump and then gather the ball.

If you gather first, it is a travel........and you see it five to ten times a game, and it often causes defensive players to get called for a defensive foul.....

I'm not understanding you because what it sounds like you are saying doesn't sound like a travel to me.

Basically if grab the ball while dribbling and then jump...so when you grab the ball...both feet are on the ground....the jump stop is a travel.

For it to be legal jump stop...both feet must be in the air when you grab the ball....

Otherwise, you are jumping after grabbing the ball and one of your feet has to be the pivot foot....thus once picked up and set back down, it is a travel.

[PimpMario]

..can you imagine in football if lining up offsides was ignored 10 times in the last 8 minutes of the game.

 

 

I don't know how much college football you watch but some teams consistently line up offsides; especially on defense.  Nebraska has the opposite problem, our defense lines up a yard off the line of scrimmage.  

[Blindcheck]

..can you imagine in football if lining up offsides was ignored 10 times in the last 8 minutes of the game.

 

I don't know how much college football but some teams consistently line up offsides.  Nebraska has the opposite problem, our defense lines up a yard off the line of scrimmage.

You actually have a good point there...many times you do see that...sometimes even wrs, not just defensive players.

[PimpMario]

 

 

..can you imagine in football if lining up offsides was ignored 10 times in the last 8 minutes of the game.

 

I don't know how much college football but some teams consistently line up offsides.  Nebraska has the opposite problem, our defense lines up a yard off the line of scrimmage.

You actually have a good point there...many times you do see that...sometimes even wrs, not just defensive players.

 

 

We are in the lodge for football at the 35 and when teams are relatively in front of you you can really see it.  I also think it is funny that a lot of the o line isn't really on the line of scrimmage and sometimes the guards are over a yard away.

[Blindcheck]

Beilin just commented that officials misinterpret traveling.....

Interesting....

[Dean Smith]

Beilin just commented that officials misinterpret traveling.....

Interesting....

I don't think he meant officials, but fans like us don't understand what a traveling is - possession of the ball and establishment of a pivot foot before you can travel stuff.

[PimpMario]

I will admit that I don't know as much about traveling as I should or how it is called.  I know I can identify it a lot.

 

By the way in the gif I didn't see the first 2 steps.  

[Blindcheck]

Beilin just commented that officials misinterpret traveling.....

Interesting....

I don't think he meant officials, but fans like us don't understand what a traveling is - possession of the ball and establishment of a pivot foot before you can travel stuff.

I believe he specifically said officials...and opinion and interpretation differ from his....but I could of heard it wrong.

[Dean Smith]

Beilin just commented that officials misinterpret traveling.....

Interesting....

I don't think he meant officials, but fans like us don't understand what a traveling is - possession of the ball and establishment of a pivot foot before you can travel stuff.

I believe he specifically said officials...and opinion and interpretation differ from his....but I could of heard it wrong.

I have been from time to time been known to be wrong as well.