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[GoBigRed]

If you pay attention and use common sense, there are obviously some red flags, but that doesn't mean we can't get it done here with Miles. Just that it is going to be a little more difficult than Miles may have thought and that fans may have hoped for, even with the arena and practice facility.

 

Miles was quoted a month ago saying something like "Facilities are nice because they get kids to visit, but wins are what is going to get kids to commit." He basically said until we start winning, we aren't going to be landing the players we are going after. It's really disappointing to hear, but look at the results on paper, he's pretty much right. We've got an OK big man lined up for next season, and a very raw project player for 2015 who isn't even starting on his high school team. That's it so far. And we have at least 1 more open scholarship to give for next year, and in reality should be giving out 4 more to replace the players who can't get into a game or play sparingly after multiple years in the program. But we don't have better players interested in us apparently, so that's where the disappointment comes in.

 

Question is, when are these guys going to start WINNING so we can start recruiting better? I think this is why some of us around here have been on edge lately and have "rushed" Miles' process a little bit. It's not that we expect the NCAA Tournament or even NIT this year. But if it's going to take winning to start getting good commits, then we need to start winning sooner than later. Not talking about NCAA Tournament - just exceed expectations. Don't finish last in the Big Ten. Don't go 3-15. Finish games out. Maybe sniff .500.

[TheKamdyMan]

If you pay attention and use common sense, there are obviously some red flags, but that doesn't mean we can't get it done here with Miles. Just that it is going to be a little more difficult than Miles may have thought and that fans may have hoped for, even with the arena and practice facility.

 

Miles was quoted a month ago saying something like "Facilities are nice because they get kids to visit, but wins are what is going to get kids to commit." He basically said until we start winning, we aren't going to be landing the players we are going after. It's really disappointing to hear, but look at the results on paper, he's pretty much right. We've got an OK big man lined up for next season, and a very raw project player for 2015 who isn't even starting on his high school team. That's it so far. And we have at least 1 more open scholarship to give for next year, and in reality should be giving out 4 more to replace the players who can't get into a game or play sparingly after multiple years in the program. But we don't have better players interested in us apparently, so that's where the disappointment comes in.

 

Question is, when are these guys going to start WINNING so we can start recruiting better? I think this is why some of us around here have been on edge lately and have "rushed" Miles' process a little bit. It's not that we expect the NCAA Tournament or even NIT this year. But if it's going to take winning to start getting good commits, then we need to start winning sooner than later. Not talking about NCAA Tournament - just exceed expectations. Don't finish last in the Big Ten. Don't go 3-15. Finish games out. Maybe sniff .500.

 

Just a couple things out of here.  First on Pinder, theres many highly talented players at prep schools that do not start and go on to be great college players it just so happens a better player is in front of them and thats the case for Pinder.

 

As to winning it helps but location is huge too.  Look at the Rivals 150 and see plenty of guys going to schools that are at the same level or lower currently than NU hoops but its a lot closer to home.  There are quite a bit of obstacles to overcome but this one is always tough.

[GoBigRed]

 

If you pay attention and use common sense, there are obviously some red flags, but that doesn't mean we can't get it done here with Miles. Just that it is going to be a little more difficult than Miles may have thought and that fans may have hoped for, even with the arena and practice facility.

 

Miles was quoted a month ago saying something like "Facilities are nice because they get kids to visit, but wins are what is going to get kids to commit." He basically said until we start winning, we aren't going to be landing the players we are going after. It's really disappointing to hear, but look at the results on paper, he's pretty much right. We've got an OK big man lined up for next season, and a very raw project player for 2015 who isn't even starting on his high school team. That's it so far. And we have at least 1 more open scholarship to give for next year, and in reality should be giving out 4 more to replace the players who can't get into a game or play sparingly after multiple years in the program. But we don't have better players interested in us apparently, so that's where the disappointment comes in.

 

Question is, when are these guys going to start WINNING so we can start recruiting better? I think this is why some of us around here have been on edge lately and have "rushed" Miles' process a little bit. It's not that we expect the NCAA Tournament or even NIT this year. But if it's going to take winning to start getting good commits, then we need to start winning sooner than later. Not talking about NCAA Tournament - just exceed expectations. Don't finish last in the Big Ten. Don't go 3-15. Finish games out. Maybe sniff .500.

 

Just a couple things out of here.  First on Pinder, theres many highly talented players at prep schools that do not start and go on to be great college players it just so happens a better player is in front of them and thats the case for Pinder.

 

As to winning it helps but location is huge too.  Look at the Rivals 150 and see plenty of guys going to schools that are at the same level or lower currently than NU hoops but its a lot closer to home.  There are quite a bit of obstacles to overcome but this one is always tough.

 

True on both points. I understand Pinder's case, but after watching that 3 minute highlight video and seeing him in I think 1 highlight (don't think he even touched the ball), I was a little disappointed. If he's not getting any playing time, how much is he really developing...a guy we really need to learn American basketball...

[Norm Peterson]

Re: Pinder and highlight vids -- one of the only videos I've seen of his prep school team shows him getting any alley-oop slam dunk on the very first highlight in the video.  So, yes, he touched the ball.  Briefly.

[tcp]

We've covered the reasons recruiting is daunting at NU. If we had life at the high school hoops ranks, we'd be in much better shape. But we don't produce a lot of D1 talent. With now 2 D1 schools in Omaha, things have gotten harder for us.

 

Facilities rarely are difference makers, and the only people saying they are are the people making money off building them. I still resent how much they were peddled in terms of getting better players into the program. The country is littered with shiny new toys that haven't had much of an effect other than landing a city or school in debt.

 

Miles still has one more class to make a splash down the road within the time of his contract. Another soft 3 star haul of mismatched pieces will probably do him in, like it did in the last 2 coaches.

 

On a lighter note, if Miles can't get it done, probably no one can other than a merc with players in his pocket. That would be the only option left, and those are risky in their own right. Otherwise, if you get a coach you like, just stick with them until they get a break, even if it takes 7 or 8 years. Build up staff stability and try to trade that in for some players.

[Norm Peterson]

Norm's theory of recruiting ranges by team type:

 

            Slim Pickins<<Leftovers<<Not bad<<Real Good<<Top Notch<<Elite

 

Top Tier                                             <<<<<+++++++++>>>>>>

Major Conf

 

Upper Level                                   <<<<<<++++++++++>>>>>>>

Major Conf

 

Elite Mid-                                 <<<<<<<<<+++++++++>>>>>>>>>

Major Team

 

Average                               <<<<<<<<<<+++++++>>>>>>>>>>>

Major Conf

 

Solid Mid-                         <<<<<<<<<+++++++++>>>>>>>>>>

Major Team

 

Lower Tier                       <<<<<<<<<<<+++++++++>>>>>>>>>>>>

Major Conf

 

Average Mid-                  <<<<<<<+++++>>>>>>>>>>

Major Team

 

Directional           <<<<<<++++++>>>>>>>>

State

[Norm Peterson]

In my theory, the plusses indicate kind of the center mass of the recruits and where they would fall.  You'd see outliers both directions.  But the plusses would be the quality level of the middle 50% for that type of team, typically.  Just my theory.  What does it mean?  Just that I think that there's not a lot of upward mobility for teams in the bottom tier of major conferences.  So many teams are fighting for the elite and near-elite recruits.  It takes something unique to land them, if you're not a power school, like a relationship with a Delonte Hill or something.

[hhcmatt]

We've covered the reasons recruiting is daunting at NU. If we had life at the high school hoops ranks, we'd be in much better shape. But we don't produce a lot of D1 talent. With now 2 D1 schools in Omaha, things have gotten harder for us.

 

There isn't a single Nebraska kid on either roster that we lost to either Creighton or UNO.

[TheKamdyMan]

If you pay attention and use common sense, there are obviously some red flags, but that doesn't mean we can't get it done here with Miles. Just that it is going to be a little more difficult than Miles may have thought and that fans may have hoped for, even with the arena and practice facility.

Miles was quoted a month ago saying something like "Facilities are nice because they get kids to visit, but wins are what is going to get kids to commit." He basically said until we start winning, we aren't going to be landing the players we are going after. It's really disappointing to hear, but look at the results on paper, he's pretty much right. We've got an OK big man lined up for next season, and a very raw project player for 2015 who isn't even starting on his high school team. That's it so far. And we have at least 1 more open scholarship to give for next year, and in reality should be giving out 4 more to replace the players who can't get into a game or play sparingly after multiple years in the program. But we don't have better players interested in us apparently, so that's where the disappointment comes in.

Question is, when are these guys going to start WINNING so we can start recruiting better? I think this is why some of us around here have been on edge lately and have "rushed" Miles' process a little bit. It's not that we expect the NCAA Tournament or even NIT this year. But if it's going to take winning to start getting good commits, then we need to start winning sooner than later. Not talking about NCAA Tournament - just exceed expectations. Don't finish last in the Big Ten. Don't go 3-15. Finish games out. Maybe sniff .500.

Just a couple things out of here. First on Pinder, theres many highly talented players at prep schools that do not start and go on to be great college players it just so happens a better player is in front of them and thats the case for Pinder.

As to winning it helps but location is huge too. Look at the Rivals 150 and see plenty of guys going to schools that are at the same level or lower currently than NU hoops but its a lot closer to home. There are quite a bit of obstacles to overcome but this one is always tough.

True on both points. I understand Pinder's case, but after watching that 3 minute highlight video and seeing him in I think 1 highlight (don't think he even touched the ball), I was a little disappointed. If he's not getting any playing time, how much is he really developing...a guy we really need to learn American basketball...

That highlight video was also from the very first tournament of the season. I have a feeling next year he starts and gets a lot of minutes on their post grad team that plays a lot of Kansas jucos so he can play some talent while getting better.