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Yep. Washut has also told the story about one of the transfers mentioning that we had a Top 50 Big man committed too. I think Sanogo is in pretty soon. As you mentioned, Washut has been out in front.

Thor exceeded my expectations last year. But it's also fair to acknowledge that a big reason he had a chance to do so was because of the team he was on. There just wasn't anyone there to take minutes or shots from him. There will be this year. I think we showed enough as a shooter that there will be a role for him but I'd be shocked if his minutes stayed the same.

If you asked me to paint a picture of what comes to mind when I think of a BYU player....I'd paint a picture of Harms

He wasn't a bad player. We've had plenty that had little to offer over the years that were at the end of the bench and he's not one of those types. So I wouldn't have minded him sticking around. But I don't see where he plays more than 10 minutes a game (if that) moving forward.

Agree on having a foundation. But those guys weren’t it.

For me the improvement stems from the fact that we will be more experienced, more complete of a team. The guys that are being added have been added over time and vetted rather than thrown together in a month. Furthermore, we’re adding guys who have not only excelled at JUCO but have legit p5 experience and success.

Yes

I think not having Stevenson was easily a 4-5 game swing.

I think your last sentence is one of the biggest reasons for optimism next year. There was so very little we could do personnel wise this year (even before the attrition happened at the end of the year). You could pretty realistically come up with 30 or so different lineup combinations. And there are a lot more players who aren't penciled into one role.

Think King gets the waiver. I'd be both highly surprised and highly disappointed if Easley is in the top 9 again. That's about the only thing I am sure of. I really want to see what happens with the final roster spot and if Cross/Arop return. Might only be one more addition and no more attrition but even those singular variables can change the lookup of the rotation quite a bit IMO.

Yeah...I don't anyone expected 7-24. But I also don't think it's much of anything. I thought we'd be an 11-12 win team in the preseason. Then we lose Stevenson, eventually Curtis, Kavas and intermittent suspensions for Mack. I had accepted this as a rebuilding year before we ever fired Miles. It was just going to be. There wasn't a lot of talent coming back (never believed for a second that Roby was returning regardless of the coach) whoever the coach was going to be. I'm glad Hoiberg ripped the band aid off by being up front with guys like Harris (think he could've been decent role player) Heiman, Davis, etc and start getting some of his guys in rather than delaying the inevitable. At the end of the day....7 wins or 12 really don't make a lot of difference for me. Either situation it's a rebuilding/foundational year. I have no less confidence in Hoiberg now than I did 12 months ago to do something here. It may take one extra year than I was expecting....but I still fully believe he's going to get it done.

Hoiberg has signed/kept 4 high school players. He’s recruiting more. Just cuz a high school kid gets butt hurt because he won’t be the man in year 1 doesn’t mean we are ignoring high school players

Not inserting them into the lineup just yet. But just saying it goes against the theory that we don’t recruit high school players. Curtis, Cross, Arop and Yvan would pry agree too

Fred’s history makes me believe it. I’ve seen Stevenson play. He’s legit. Fair on the other two. But it’s not exactly far fetched to say they would be steps up over what we have. allen and king we know can compete at high levels in p5 play.

If it was Clouse I’d buy that. Washut is pretty good

You know anyone who coached ball in the Midwest and went to 4 straight tournaments using transfers?

Dont we lead for a couple of 4* top 100 high school players?

I think we definitely need another shooter and possibly two depending on what occurs with Mack and Burke. But those 3 are legit. Are they good enough to get us to the dance next year? Alone? Probably not. But I'd take Banton/Allen/King/Stevenson/Walker over Mack/Burke/Thor/Cheetam/Yvan any day of the week. Thor will be off the bench next year, which will suit him better. Burke and Mack and can still play and if you mix those two in with the first 5....you have 5 guys who can play. Yvan should've redshirted but grew over the course of the year but will be in role much better for him. We won't be starting true freshman walk-ons, 6-4 shooting guards in the front court or 17-year olds next year.

Don't even know if there needs to be a lot of tough conversations. I think it's pretty obvious and I'm guessing alot of those guys know it too. How many of the guys on the floor today will be in our top 8 next year. Maybe 2. It'll change and it's already in motion. It's not like we have to go find alot of those guys. We have guys here. We have guys on the way (and they are guys with proven P5 experience, not just hoping. It'll change and it'll change dramatically and soon.

I didn’t say it was good. I said I don’t think we’re playing poorly. We’re just incredibly outmanned

I don’t even think we’ve played bad and we’re down 16.

Fair enough. He wasn’t a lame duck in years 1-4. His shortfalls there brought it into question. He made his bed and we wouldn’t be more than 2-3 games better this year if he was here with his ‘good’ recruiting.

He wouldn’t be starting for most naia schools in this state.

Not really

Honestly......if you put Mack in for Easley, I actually like that lineup (relative to this years team)