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When Dirk Chatlain says something asinine and gets called out on it, apparently his response is to go double-or-nothin' on the stupid. He had this beauty of a line in today's column: "Arop, in my opinion, is comparable to Ed Morrow." What?!?!?!?!?!? Someone get that man a drug test.

I know that there isn't any news. But are there at least any rumors floating around?

I’m curious what most people think on these two issues. Not necessarily what your answer is specific to this particular recruiting cycle and its recent turn of events, but more so what your general thoughts are on the matters. I personally answered “Yes” to both questions. Here’s my logic. First of all, speaking as someone who writes and negotiates contracts for a living, a change of this nature absolutely is considered a rescinsion of an offer. So technically speaking, the offer has been removed and replaced with a different scholarship offer. Logistically speaking, I think the definition of pulling a scholarship wouldn’t even be debated if you view it as an academic scholarship rather than an athletic one. Can you imagine if your kid had a full-ride academic scholarship based on her ACT score and class rank, and then a year later the school comes to her and says the scholarship is now contingent upon completing a year of additional non-collegiate schooling? Would you really look your kid in the eye and say “Cheer up, Honey. They didn’t pull your scholarship. They just added some additional contingencies and are making you delay your life for year”? Nope, nope, nope. You’d view it as a scholarship offer that is no longer on the table, and move on to whatever school is Plan B. I’m not opining that what was done was right or wrong. But c’mon people, call a spade a spade. On to question #2. For a school with limited historical success like DONU, there is more value in keeping one scholarship open, rather than signing a kid who may or may not ever crack the rotation. More often than not, we’re not going to sign the prototypical Top 50 player out of high school. But we can posture ourselves to land guys like Paul White, who is looking for a school at a time when most teams don’t have a scholarship available. So would you rather sign a 13th player in the spring, knowing that he will likely not crack this year’s rotation of 7-9 players? If so, you’re hoping that he will develop into a decent role player within a few years, but the odds are that he will transfer after his frosh or sophomore year. Or would you rather keep that position open for a potential game changer? I’ll admit, often those potential studs come with risk (such as White’s health, in this particular case). If you’re Duke, you can say no to high risk/high reward players and just roll out a roster of 13 low risk/high reward players. We’re not Duke. We can always recruit enough role players to fill out a rotation, but getting program changers requires taking on some risk – risks like only fielding 12 scholarship players, and signing guys that may never get back to 100% healthy.

Yes, Nebraska's two primary sports will easily be over 25.5 wins. We're talking volleyball and baseball, right?

The issue here is that Nebraska could have had this conversation in the spring which potentially gives Arop more time to get himself recruited somewhere else at that time. I'm not sure there would be a lot less hard feelings though because regardless of when you're talking about changing the terms of a scholarship offer to the Nebraska POTY. As you can see, Miles and Nebraska lost some supporters today/yesterday. I can see your point. And yes, Nebraska has lost some supporters "today". If Nebraska lands Paul White and/or fills the 2017 recruiting class with players on the level of Watson, Morrow, Jacobson, Roby, etc... Then I think the results on the court will speak for themselves and justify Nebraska in this. There will be a few Omaha high school basketball fans that will hold on to this longer, but most will forget about it once football season starts in a week. Tim Miles job = win games. And he probably has to make a huge jump in that department either this season, or the next. Otherwise he may be gone. He has to take the best players he can. In the grand scheme of things winning basketball games >>>> making people in omaha basketball circles happy because fielding guys from Nebraska doesn't keep you employed, winning does. Not entirely true. Winning is definitely priority #1, 2 and 3, but there are a myriad of additional factors that come into play. Momentum and trajectory are also important. Coaches that can hang their hat on strong recruiting and young teams keep their jobs when coaches with similar records, but downward trajectories, lose theirs. Appeasing donors is also part of that formula. A guy like Bo Pelini has a shorter leash compared to someone who plays the fundraising game better. And rolled into that concept is stuff like recruiting the right kind of kids-- kids that boosters are proud to have on the team. I.E. decent grades, don't get arrested, from in-state and/or local, etc. Winning covers a multitude of deficiencies. But if you're not winning, you'd better be doing EVERYTHING else right. Prior to this off-season, I'd say Miles was doing just that; but now he's whiffed on the majority of his top 2017 prospects, he just cut ties with a popular in-state kid, and he had a major fall-out with last year's best player. Add that all up, and Miles' margin for error just shrunk tremendously.

Cincinnati and Miami are also possible landing spots for White. https://georgetown.rivals.com/news/white-re-recruitment-update Although with classes starting all around the country, I don't think he'll have enough time to visit everyone. Maybe he already visited those schools when he was a high school recruit? not sure.

NAIA has a Division II? Wonder what the difference is between that and NAIA I, since I thought NAIA schools don't have athletic scholarships. Maybe I'm wrong though.

It'd be nice if the coaching staff could lock up Kezo Brown for '18 now, since it looks like we've whiffed on our '17 priorities at PG. Not surprised by the lack of success recruiting the position, though. Any true PG can look at our roster and see that Watson still has 3 years of eligibility left. If Miles is really commited to bringing in a PG this class, he may need to go the combo guard route instead.

The in-state trio signed in '02 comes to mind -- Dourisseau, Wilkinson, and Enright. Each was pretty highly touted coming out of high school, IIRC.

Is Kearney suppose to be that good again? Yes, and Midland University is going to be even better!

Wow, very sad top 5 if we were all in on him. Did we lose out to those guys or did we just not recruit him that hard? Va Tech has Buzz Williams and Butler has relatively recent success. UMass and La Salle are regional schools. Minnesota looks like the outlier, but I'm sure other fanbases say that about us when we're in some of these top 5 lists. Also, we just offered him less than a month ago. So even if the coaching staff made a hard push for him, it may have been a case of arriving late to the party; you can do that if you're Duke or Kansas but we don't have that luxury.

Did anyone else notice the opposing team's jerseys in the 0:56-1:00 section of that highlight video? I'm surprised they're allowed to play in those. The backs of the uniforms blend in with the ones that Nana's team is wearing.

Everyone does. But more talent doesn't always mean more wins.

Great post and point. As much as I hate CU, that is how they are so effective in that you have to pretty much play everyone straight up since all 5 guys on the floor are a scoring threat. That is how I see our team this year with not having the "go to" guy like we have had in the past. As we've learned, we tend to give that guy the ball and expect him to make something happen while the other guys get in a "stand around and watch" mode. Again, that is what makes CU so effective is they move the ball very well and are all good shooters which is why NU seems to have a hard time guarding them since Coach M like to double team a lot and they move the ball so quickly that his defense isn't as effective against teams like that. I think we all can agree that losing Benny is probably a good thing moving forward and Shavon was inconsistent at times this past year. AWIII is a good shooter but isn't not very athletic in the open court or creating his own shot. I could see the team this year being better overall with these 3 players gone. Team chemistry is a huge deal in basketball and I could see it being very good this year. I can't wait for the season to get here. I still get excited just walking to the mailbox each day hoping my tickets will be there. Odd. I actually would say 'consistency' was one of Shavon's strengths. No data to back that up, just a general perception of his game over the last few years.

Looks like time to shut this thread down, boys; everyone loses in an ad hominem debate.

Who the hell is Zay?Isaiah Roby Zay Roby is how he refers to himself on twitter. And, yes, he's nearly as tall as Jordy.... https://twitter.com/JackMcVeigh1/status/753732941130436608 Well now...Zay nearly as tall as Jordy? Really? He does appear quite tall and lanky but let's analyze the photo for a minute. We've ever really done that on this board so it should be fun. What does everyone think? I think that with Jordy weighing in almost 70 lbs more than Zay, his body weight crushes the field turf fibers and compresses the rubber pellets in the turf, sinking his body further into the surface than Zay's. This makes Zay appear taller in comparison to Jordy. On an actual basketball floor (a much harder surface) you would notice the extra 2-3 inches that Jordy has on Zay. So is Jordy not actually 6-11 or is Zay taller than 6-8? Or is it impossible to tell because of the field turf? I figured it was the way the wind lifted up the 'fro for Zay. They're both 8 foot tall, ya know.... The dude in the picture with the pokemon hat is actually 6'6". Not counting the hat. All I see is a lack of hairy legs. Looks like we've go a solid few years out of these guys. Seriously though...look how long Jordy's arms are compared to the pokemon guy. My goodness, Jordy could be 6'6" and still play the post with that frame/wingspan combo. Add in the skillset we've seen in his highlights and he looks like a remarkably complete player for a frosh big man.

This tells me everything I need to know about him as a person: "I'm not as bad of a person as the Nebraska fan base is deeming me." Really, Andrew? You're a 5th year senior, who abandoned your team at the worst possible time, after previously running away from KU rather than compete. And no one's saying you're a criminal. We're just saying you're an egotist, clueless, and classless. Well guess what? YOUR actions, attitude, and words prove that, not the fanbase's. Don't like having people say you lack character? Then try getting some. Good riddance. And before anyone jumps in and says "oh, he's just a college kid...", let me jut cut you off now. He's a college GRADUATE, and repeatedly refers to himself as a grown man in that article. His own words show that he thinks he has the right to an equal voice as his head coach. You want to make adult decisions, Andrew? You want to be treated like a big boy now? Then how about you start by paying your own way for something rather than leaching off of tax-payer funded institutions, grow a pair, and get a job.

Dodged a bullet on that one

That being said, my point in this thread wasn't really to debate minutes. It was more to point out that there should be plenty of PT to keep the youngsters happy. Which is a good thing, if you've circled March 2018 as the month we get the NCAA monkey off our back.

It would surprise me if we see Gill, Watson, and Webster on the court at the same time, except for maybe in the final minute of a close game. We really have no natural guards on the roster other than those three, and I think the negative of wearing them out outranks the positive of having them all on the court. Definitely need to be cautious with how they're used this year, as an injury to any one of them probably throws our season down the drain.

Something has been bothering me for a while about the number of talented youngsters on the roster. Transfers are a part of the game (obviously, given recent bad news) and odds are we won't get to keep the core of young kids all on-board. Well with AWIII off to browner pastures, that leaves 30-35 minutes per game up for grabs. Are there enough minutes to go around and keep everyone happy? With White on the roster, I expected the minutes distribution would've looked about like so: 1: Watson 25; Webster 15 2: Gill 25; Webster; 10; Roby 5 3: White 32; Roby 5; McVeigh 3 4: Morrow 18; McVeigh 12; Horne 7; Fuller 3 5: Jacobson 25; Morrow 5; Tshimanga 10 Obviously you can make an argument that any number of young guys might've earned more minutes, but odds are those minutes wouldn't have come at the expense of the experienced players. Fuller will still get some time, while White, Webster, and Gill all were expected to be tough to take off the floor. So if you want to argue that Roby would get more than 10, then that means someone like Jack would have to get less than 15. Under this minutes distribution, there's 4 or 5 guys that are unhappy with their playing time. How many stick around for another year? Now let's take a look at the White-less roster: 1: Watson 30; Webster 10 2: Gill 25; Webster; 15 3: McVeigh 20; Roby 20 4: Morrow 20; Horne 15; Fuller 5 5: Jacobson 25; Tshimanga 15 All of a sudden the only guy yelling "Put me in, Coach!" is Nick. The freshmen can all realistically get at least 15 MPG, sophs all at least 20 MPG. To me, those are about the milestones where players can feel like they're getting significant minutes relative to their class. So now we've dropped from 4 or 5 disappointed players down to 1. So long story short, AWIII leaving us high and dry may actually help keep the band together for the following year, and that was the year that many of us thought could be "the one." Thank you AWIII for helping us win our first NCAA game in '17-'18! Maybe you can do the radio broadcast with Kent. Ya know, if you're not busy doing anything else at that point.

Assuming we don't sign anybody else and leave two scholarships floating around I will go with... 1. Watson 2. Gill 3. Roby 4. Morrow 5. Jacobson Tai will get plenty of minutes backing up Watson/Gill and seems to prefer that first man off the bench role. Lets just hope our guards can stay out of foul trouble the whole year. And healthy. Foul trouble would suck for a game, but a long-term injury to any of our trio of guards would be insurmountable IMO.

Great post and I couldn't agree more with your comments about Parker. I know he gets a lot of love on this board but I posted many times that the negatives with him outweighed the positives. Seemed like a great kid and well liked but he is very replaceable on the court. Shavon was a very good player but was pretty one dimensional and not very consistent at times. You do hate to lose players like Shavon but honestly, I think we will be a better overall team without him next year. Just realized that starting this year, it will be entirely Miles recruits as Benny and Shavon was the last 2 from the Sadler era. I mention sparingly (because I get roasted for it everytime) that I’m a lifelong Notre Dame football fan, and I still follow the team very closely. Well Notre Dame just had a multi-year captain/former walk-on/”quaterback of the defense” linebacker graduate by the name of Joe Schmidt. Funny enough, ND football fans and Nebrasketball fans have been having identical debates about Schmidt-the-linebacker and Parker-the-point-guard for the past 4 years. Both were effort guys who had all the intangibles that fans love. And yet both were incapable of performing the primary functions of their positions, primarily due to physical limitations. Long story short, the linebacker debate was put to rest by a recent national publication ranking all seniors, by position, playing major college football. And in the entire country, Schmidt was ranked dead last at linebacker. Which makes me wonder…how many senior PG/SG/combo guards, playing major college basketball last year, would you say were worse than Parker? I can’t think of one. So I guess my point is that teams will always have seniors to replace, and almost always the replacement is an unproven commodity. But if the guy that we’re replacing is worse than the guy that every other team in America is replacing, then odds are we’re gonna be OK. As for Shields…well those are some bigger shoes to fill. Is there a support group for being a ND fan in anything? There should be! I'm pretty eclectic with my collection of teams, and most of them have rewarded my loyalty with many years of futility. -Notre Dame for college football, because I was 5 at the time and five-year-olds like shiny helmets. -Phillies for Major League Baseball, because I was given a Phillies hat as a kid and I got Pat Burrel's autograph when he played in the College World series right after getting drafted by Philly -Huskers for college basketball and baseball, because I spent my college years at DONU. -Sporting KC for Major League Soccer, because they're kinda local-ish.

Great post and I couldn't agree more with your comments about Parker. I know he gets a lot of love on this board but I posted many times that the negatives with him outweighed the positives. Seemed like a great kid and well liked but he is very replaceable on the court. Shavon was a very good player but was pretty one dimensional and not very consistent at times. You do hate to lose players like Shavon but honestly, I think we will be a better overall team without him next year. Just realized that starting this year, it will be entirely Miles recruits as Benny and Shavon was the last 2 from the Sadler era. I mention sparingly (because I get roasted for it everytime) that I’m a lifelong Notre Dame football fan, and I still follow the team very closely. Well Notre Dame just had a multi-year captain/former walk-on/”quaterback of the defense” linebacker graduate by the name of Joe Schmidt. Funny enough, ND football fans and Nebrasketball fans have been having identical debates about Schmidt-the-linebacker and Parker-the-point-guard for the past 4 years. Both were effort guys who had all the intangibles that fans love. And yet both were incapable of performing the primary functions of their positions, primarily due to physical limitations. Long story short, the linebacker debate was put to rest by a recent national publication ranking all seniors, by position, playing major college football. And in the entire country, Schmidt was ranked dead last at linebacker. Which makes me wonder…how many senior PG/SG/combo guards, playing major college basketball last year, would you say were worse than Parker? I can’t think of one. So I guess my point is that teams will always have seniors to replace, and almost always the replacement is an unproven commodity. But if the guy that we’re replacing is worse than the guy that every other team in America is replacing, then odds are we’re gonna be OK. As for Shields…well those are some bigger shoes to fill.

As other have already stated, the two teams are extremely even. But they shouldn't have been. 49r, why didn't you grab Tai with either pick 4 or 5?!? He's a good 2-guard, but more importantly, you could have kept Pimp from having any semblance of a PG! Had 49r locked up both Glynn and Tai, I would have taken his team in a clean sweep. As is, it's too close to call.