uneblinstu's post game chatter vol 8, no 29: The Shining

[huskerbaseball13]

I wouldn't exactly say the PBA has been packed. I'm not whining about the fans, I'm describing who they are.

Nebraska basketball fans are unbelievably loyal. Nebraska won 19 games two years ago and it was like a religious revival.

Nebraska is 11-22 in the Big Ten the last two years. That there is 9,000 fans in that arena, much less 14,000 fans, is a testament to the arena and the fans who fill it. Not the product on the court.

This is true. Any other comparable university and the attendance is probably somewhere around 4,000-7,000 fans.

How do we compare with other D1 schools, in large population cities, where there are no other P5 schools or professional sports teams? Creighton joined the Big East in 2013.

I went back starting with the year 2000 and took a look at the data and here is what I found.

• The combined population of Ames and Iowa City is 100K+ less than Lincoln, with Omaha being the largest.
• All 3 arenas are relatively the same size now, with CU being the largest, although they moved into the Qwest/Link from the Civic in 2003.
• While Nebraska had 3 different coaches during that time period so did Iowa; and Iowa State had 4 different coaches, while CU had 2.
• Regular season attendance average had Nebraska in last place by almost 25%. CU had the largest attendance average including the Civic attendance.
• Regular season record saw Nebraska 1 game above 50%, with Iowa at 55% and ISU at 58%. CU has a nearly won 70% of their games including their time in the Mo Valley.

What does all this have to do with Nebraska fans? Well it shows that there is nothing special about our fan base when compared to our most comparable competitors.

And had the above sucked like we have and for as long non would come close to selling out the building. Why start in 2000? How about 1990? How about 1980? You can keep trying to discredit our fanbase because your feelings got hurt when Mark was canned but we will continue to show up in droves to watch mediocre products. If we can ever get back to winning again....watch out. But remember the next time you whine about the AD and Riley...try to step down off your high horse and come down to the level of the "entitled" fans.

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Why the year 2000, because 15yrs should be enough data. The numbers don't lie. As for football the clock is ticking on the Accidental AD and Smiling Mike. A couple of more years and all the media hype in the world won't be able to save them.

Exhibit A...of you being a Hypocrite. That didn't take long.

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[Ron Mexico]

 

 

What I want to know is how Baylor (a private baptist school) is not an adequate comparison to Nebraska for analysis of attendance numbers, but Creighton (a private jesuit school) is?

Why, because they aren't the only P5 school in the state, with lots of other professional sports team and things to do other than go to a basketball game. That's why it isn't an adequate comparison.

 

 

In an area with 10 times the population of the state of Nebraska, one would expect there are enough folks looking for things to do to go around amongst the 5 P5 schools, 1 NHL and 3 NBA teams.  Besides, you originally seemed only concerned about the "private baptist school" thing as the differentiating factor between Nebraska and Baylor, and now you've moved the goalpost.  So, okay, no problem.  I'll play.

 

By the way, did you know that Baylor has 14,000 undergrad students (not exactly tiny)?  Nebraska has 20,000 (not exactly what you'd call a public colossus) and Creighton has 7,000 (a less appropriate comparison to Nebraska than Baylor).  Only one of those three schools plays in an arena that seats 10,000 people.  Only one of those schools has a basketball team that has spent the majority (if not the entirety) of the season ranked in the top 25.  And only one of those schools has trouble getting their arena over half full most nights.

 

Baylor.

 

But, sure, maybe a more appropriate comparison would be Mizzou.  Unlike Nebraska they have 30,000 undergrads.  They are the only P5 school in their state with a mid-major jesuit school down the road (like Nebraska), they do have the St. Louis Blues as pro competition in winter sports (but that could be offset by the 6 million population of the state compared to Nebraska's 1.8), they have a 15,000 seat arena (like Nebraska).  And despite the fact that they are near or at the bottom of their league, one should expect them to be filling their arena to 90% capacity every night like Nebraska does too, right?

 

No?  They don't?  Weird.  I mean if Nebraska fans are no more loyal than any other school's fans then how do you explain it?  Mizzou with a large, non-dulited-by-pro-sports-and-P5-schools population base and Baylor with a huge population base nearby and a highly successful program to boot.

 

I guess it's not because Nebraska fans are particularly loyal and dedicated to their team or anything.  Nope, certainly couldn't be that.

 

Went back 25yrs. When comparing schools I look at the most similarities which is location, population base, lack of significant P5 programs, and lack of professional sports teams. Missouri has Blues, Chiefs, and Rams thus they don't fit the criteria. Back to the data.

In attendance Nebraska was still at the bottom for Average % capacity at 71%, with Creighton at 73%, Iowa at 80% and ISU at a 92%. Interesting that over that period Nebraska average win % of 55% isn't that far off from Iowa at 58% and ISU at 59%. Creighton leads the pack by a sizable margin with a win% (63) over the 25yrs. In all those measurable categories Nebraska is still dead last. The greatness of our fan base has been grossly over exaggerated if you look at the numbers.

[Ron Mexico]

 

 

 

 

 

 

I wouldn't exactly say the PBA has been packed. I'm not whining about the fans, I'm describing who they are.

Nebraska basketball fans are unbelievably loyal. Nebraska won 19 games two years ago and it was like a religious revival.

Nebraska is 11-22 in the Big Ten the last two years. That there is 9,000 fans in that arena, much less 14,000 fans, is a testament to the arena and the fans who fill it. Not the product on the court.

This is true. Any other comparable university and the attendance is probably somewhere around 4,000-7,000 fans.

How do we compare with other D1 schools, in large population cities, where there are no other P5 schools or professional sports teams? Creighton joined the Big East in 2013.

I went back starting with the year 2000 and took a look at the data and here is what I found.

• The combined population of Ames and Iowa City is 100K+ less than Lincoln, with Omaha being the largest.
• All 3 arenas are relatively the same size now, with CU being the largest, although they moved into the Qwest/Link from the Civic in 2003.
• While Nebraska had 3 different coaches during that time period so did Iowa; and Iowa State had 4 different coaches, while CU had 2.
• Regular season attendance average had Nebraska in last place by almost 25%. CU had the largest attendance average including the Civic attendance.
• Regular season record saw Nebraska 1 game above 50%, with Iowa at 55% and ISU at 58%. CU has a nearly won 70% of their games including their time in the Mo Valley.

What does all this have to do with Nebraska fans? Well it shows that there is nothing special about our fan base when compared to our most comparable competitors.

And had the above sucked like we have and for as long non would come close to selling out the building. Why start in 2000? How about 1990? How about 1980? You can keep trying to discredit our fanbase because your feelings got hurt when Mark was canned but we will continue to show up in droves to watch mediocre products. If we can ever get back to winning again....watch out. But remember the next time you whine about the AD and Riley...try to step down off your high horse and come down to the level of the "entitled" fans.

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Why the year 2000, because 15yrs should be enough data. The numbers don't lie. As for football the clock is ticking on the Accidental AD and Smiling Mike. A couple of more years and all the media hype in the world won't be able to save them.

Exhibit A...of you being a Hypocrite. That didn't take long.

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No exhibit A of my eyes being completely opened up about our fan base. Been ignoring it for over 15yrs but the events of the last few years have shown me the truth.

[Ron Mexico]

 

 

 

 

 

 

I wouldn't exactly say the PBA has been packed. I'm not whining about the fans, I'm describing who they are.

Nebraska basketball fans are unbelievably loyal. Nebraska won 19 games two years ago and it was like a religious revival.

Nebraska is 11-22 in the Big Ten the last two years. That there is 9,000 fans in that arena, much less 14,000 fans, is a testament to the arena and the fans who fill it. Not the product on the court.

This is true. Any other comparable university and the attendance is probably somewhere around 4,000-7,000 fans.

How do we compare with other D1 schools, in large population cities, where there are no other P5 schools or professional sports teams? Creighton joined the Big East in 2013.

I went back starting with the year 2000 and took a look at the data and here is what I found.

• The combined population of Ames and Iowa City is 100K+ less than Lincoln, with Omaha being the largest.
• All 3 arenas are relatively the same size now, with CU being the largest, although they moved into the Qwest/Link from the Civic in 2003.
• While Nebraska had 3 different coaches during that time period so did Iowa; and Iowa State had 4 different coaches, while CU had 2.
• Regular season attendance average had Nebraska in last place by almost 25%. CU had the largest attendance average including the Civic attendance.
• Regular season record saw Nebraska 1 game above 50%, with Iowa at 55% and ISU at 58%. CU has a nearly won 70% of their games including their time in the Mo Valley.

What does all this have to do with Nebraska fans? Well it shows that there is nothing special about our fan base when compared to our most comparable competitors.

And had the above sucked like we have and for as long non would come close to selling out the building. Why start in 2000? How about 1990? How about 1980? You can keep trying to discredit our fanbase because your feelings got hurt when Mark was canned but we will continue to show up in droves to watch mediocre products. If we can ever get back to winning again....watch out. But remember the next time you whine about the AD and Riley...try to step down off your high horse and come down to the level of the "entitled" fans.

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Why the year 2000, because 15yrs should be enough data. The numbers don't lie. As for football the clock is ticking on the Accidental AD and Smiling Mike. A couple of more years and all the media hype in the world won't be able to save them.

Exhibit A...of you being a Hypocrite. That didn't take long.

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Tell the electriciansapprentice and bankrupttiminomaha I'm still waiting for them to stop by where I sit at the PBA for basketball games to say hello. Maybe they'll stop by my seats at football game this season.

[huskerbaseball13]

I wouldn't exactly say the PBA has been packed. I'm not whining about the fans, I'm describing who they are.

Nebraska basketball fans are unbelievably loyal. Nebraska won 19 games two years ago and it was like a religious revival.

Nebraska is 11-22 in the Big Ten the last two years. That there is 9,000 fans in that arena, much less 14,000 fans, is a testament to the arena and the fans who fill it. Not the product on the court.

This is true. Any other comparable university and the attendance is probably somewhere around 4,000-7,000 fans.

How do we compare with other D1 schools, in large population cities, where there are no other P5 schools or professional sports teams? Creighton joined the Big East in 2013.

I went back starting with the year 2000 and took a look at the data and here is what I found.

• The combined population of Ames and Iowa City is 100K+ less than Lincoln, with Omaha being the largest.
• All 3 arenas are relatively the same size now, with CU being the largest, although they moved into the Qwest/Link from the Civic in 2003.
• While Nebraska had 3 different coaches during that time period so did Iowa; and Iowa State had 4 different coaches, while CU had 2.
• Regular season attendance average had Nebraska in last place by almost 25%. CU had the largest attendance average including the Civic attendance.
• Regular season record saw Nebraska 1 game above 50%, with Iowa at 55% and ISU at 58%. CU has a nearly won 70% of their games including their time in the Mo Valley.

What does all this have to do with Nebraska fans? Well it shows that there is nothing special about our fan base when compared to our most comparable competitors.

And had the above sucked like we have and for as long non would come close to selling out the building. Why start in 2000? How about 1990? How about 1980? You can keep trying to discredit our fanbase because your feelings got hurt when Mark was canned but we will continue to show up in droves to watch mediocre products. If we can ever get back to winning again....watch out. But remember the next time you whine about the AD and Riley...try to step down off your high horse and come down to the level of the "entitled" fans.

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Why the year 2000, because 15yrs should be enough data. The numbers don't lie. As for football the clock is ticking on the Accidental AD and Smiling Mike. A couple of more years and all the media hype in the world won't be able to save them.

Exhibit A...of you being a Hypocrite. That didn't take long.

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Tell the electriciansapprentice and bankrupttiminomaha I'm still waiting for them to stop by where I sit at the PBA for basketball games to say hello. Maybe they'll stop by my seats at football game this season.

I'm not even sure what this means. Are you trying to fight message board posters because they upset you? Again....pretty sad. No issues with you not liking Eichorst/Riley...I really don't...but when you bash the fanbase then turn around and bash the AD and a coach who hadn't even coached a game...yeah, you're a hypocrite.

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[HuskerFever]

What I want to know is how Baylor (a private baptist school) is not an adequate comparison to Nebraska for analysis of attendance numbers, but Creighton (a private jesuit school) is?

Why, because they aren't the only P5 school in the state, with lots of other professional sports team and things to do other than go to a basketball game. That's why it isn't an adequate comparison.

In an area with 10 times the population of the state of Nebraska, one would expect there are enough folks looking for things to do to go around amongst the 5 P5 schools, 1 NHL and 3 NBA teams. Besides, you originally seemed only concerned about the "private baptist school" thing as the differentiating factor between Nebraska and Baylor, and now you've moved the goalpost. So, okay, no problem. I'll play.

By the way, did you know that Baylor has 14,000 undergrad students (not exactly tiny)? Nebraska has 20,000 (not exactly what you'd call a public colossus) and Creighton has 7,000 (a less appropriate comparison to Nebraska than Baylor). Only one of those three schools plays in an arena that seats 10,000 people. Only one of those schools has a basketball team that has spent the majority (if not the entirety) of the season ranked in the top 25. And only one of those schools has trouble getting their arena over half full most nights.

Baylor.

But, sure, maybe a more appropriate comparison would be Mizzou. Unlike Nebraska they have 30,000 undergrads. They are the only P5 school in their state with a mid-major jesuit school down the road (like Nebraska), they do have the St. Louis Blues as pro competition in winter sports (but that could be offset by the 6 million population of the state compared to Nebraska's 1.8), they have a 15,000 seat arena (like Nebraska). And despite the fact that they are near or at the bottom of their league, one should expect them to be filling their arena to 90% capacity every night like Nebraska does too, right?

No? They don't? Weird. I mean if Nebraska fans are no more loyal than any other school's fans then how do you explain it? Mizzou with a large, non-dulited-by-pro-sports-and-P5-schools population base and Baylor with a huge population base nearby and a highly successful program to boot.

I guess it's not because Nebraska fans are particularly loyal and dedicated to their team or anything. Nope, certainly couldn't be that.

Went back 25yrs. When comparing schools I look at the most similarities which is location, population base, lack of significant P5 programs, and lack of professional sports teams. Missouri has Blues, Chiefs, and Rams thus they don't fit the criteria. Back to the data.

In attendance Nebraska was still at the bottom for Average % capacity at 71%, with Creighton at 73%, Iowa at 80% and ISU at a 92%. Interesting that over that period Nebraska average win % of 55% isn't that far off from Iowa at 58% and ISU at 59%. Creighton leads the pack by a sizable margin with a win% (63) over the 25yrs. In all those measurable categories Nebraska is still dead last. The greatness of our fan base has been grossly over exaggerated if you look at the numbers.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not sure average % attendance/capacity is a good way to look at this. It grossly overlooks the size of the arena, whether large or small. Those outcomes can be very polarized. Absolute attendance numbers makes far more sense in this scenario. If you really wanted to use percentages as a measurement, then holding other factors constant, an attendance per capita might make more sense.

[Ron Mexico]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I wouldn't exactly say the PBA has been packed. I'm not whining about the fans, I'm describing who they are.

Nebraska basketball fans are unbelievably loyal. Nebraska won 19 games two years ago and it was like a religious revival.

Nebraska is 11-22 in the Big Ten the last two years. That there is 9,000 fans in that arena, much less 14,000 fans, is a testament to the arena and the fans who fill it. Not the product on the court.

This is true. Any other comparable university and the attendance is probably somewhere around 4,000-7,000 fans.

How do we compare with other D1 schools, in large population cities, where there are no other P5 schools or professional sports teams? Creighton joined the Big East in 2013.

I went back starting with the year 2000 and took a look at the data and here is what I found.

• The combined population of Ames and Iowa City is 100K+ less than Lincoln, with Omaha being the largest.
• All 3 arenas are relatively the same size now, with CU being the largest, although they moved into the Qwest/Link from the Civic in 2003.
• While Nebraska had 3 different coaches during that time period so did Iowa; and Iowa State had 4 different coaches, while CU had 2.
• Regular season attendance average had Nebraska in last place by almost 25%. CU had the largest attendance average including the Civic attendance.
• Regular season record saw Nebraska 1 game above 50%, with Iowa at 55% and ISU at 58%. CU has a nearly won 70% of their games including their time in the Mo Valley.

What does all this have to do with Nebraska fans? Well it shows that there is nothing special about our fan base when compared to our most comparable competitors.

And had the above sucked like we have and for as long non would come close to selling out the building. Why start in 2000? How about 1990? How about 1980? You can keep trying to discredit our fanbase because your feelings got hurt when Mark was canned but we will continue to show up in droves to watch mediocre products. If we can ever get back to winning again....watch out. But remember the next time you whine about the AD and Riley...try to step down off your high horse and come down to the level of the "entitled" fans.

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Why the year 2000, because 15yrs should be enough data. The numbers don't lie. As for football the clock is ticking on the Accidental AD and Smiling Mike. A couple of more years and all the media hype in the world won't be able to save them.

Exhibit A...of you being a Hypocrite. That didn't take long.

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Tell the electriciansapprentice and bankrupttiminomaha I'm still waiting for them to stop by where I sit at the PBA for basketball games to say hello. Maybe they'll stop by my seats at football game this season.

I'm not even sure what this means. Are you trying to fight message board posters because they upset you? Again....pretty sad. No issues with you not liking Eichorst/Riley...I really don't...but when you bash the fanbase then turn around and bash the AD and a coach who hadn't even coached a game...yeah, you're a hypocrite.

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Not trying to fight anybody. They are the ones who said they "know where I sit at basketball games and that I need to watch my back". Your buddies. Not going to discuss football further on this board. 

[Ron Mexico]

 

 

 

 

What I want to know is how Baylor (a private baptist school) is not an adequate comparison to Nebraska for analysis of attendance numbers, but Creighton (a private jesuit school) is?

Why, because they aren't the only P5 school in the state, with lots of other professional sports team and things to do other than go to a basketball game. That's why it isn't an adequate comparison.

In an area with 10 times the population of the state of Nebraska, one would expect there are enough folks looking for things to do to go around amongst the 5 P5 schools, 1 NHL and 3 NBA teams. Besides, you originally seemed only concerned about the "private baptist school" thing as the differentiating factor between Nebraska and Baylor, and now you've moved the goalpost. So, okay, no problem. I'll play.

By the way, did you know that Baylor has 14,000 undergrad students (not exactly tiny)? Nebraska has 20,000 (not exactly what you'd call a public colossus) and Creighton has 7,000 (a less appropriate comparison to Nebraska than Baylor). Only one of those three schools plays in an arena that seats 10,000 people. Only one of those schools has a basketball team that has spent the majority (if not the entirety) of the season ranked in the top 25. And only one of those schools has trouble getting their arena over half full most nights.

Baylor.

But, sure, maybe a more appropriate comparison would be Mizzou. Unlike Nebraska they have 30,000 undergrads. They are the only P5 school in their state with a mid-major jesuit school down the road (like Nebraska), they do have the St. Louis Blues as pro competition in winter sports (but that could be offset by the 6 million population of the state compared to Nebraska's 1.8), they have a 15,000 seat arena (like Nebraska). And despite the fact that they are near or at the bottom of their league, one should expect them to be filling their arena to 90% capacity every night like Nebraska does too, right?

No? They don't? Weird. I mean if Nebraska fans are no more loyal than any other school's fans then how do you explain it? Mizzou with a large, non-dulited-by-pro-sports-and-P5-schools population base and Baylor with a huge population base nearby and a highly successful program to boot.

I guess it's not because Nebraska fans are particularly loyal and dedicated to their team or anything. Nope, certainly couldn't be that.

Went back 25yrs. When comparing schools I look at the most similarities which is location, population base, lack of significant P5 programs, and lack of professional sports teams. Missouri has Blues, Chiefs, and Rams thus they don't fit the criteria. Back to the data.

In attendance Nebraska was still at the bottom for Average % capacity at 71%, with Creighton at 73%, Iowa at 80% and ISU at a 92%. Interesting that over that period Nebraska average win % of 55% isn't that far off from Iowa at 58% and ISU at 59%. Creighton leads the pack by a sizable margin with a win% (63) over the 25yrs. In all those measurable categories Nebraska is still dead last. The greatness of our fan base has been grossly over exaggerated if you look at the numbers.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not sure average % attendance/capacity is a good way to look at this. It grossly overlooks the size of the arena, whether large or small. Those outcomes can be very polarized. Absolute attendance numbers makes far more sense in this scenario. If you really wanted to use percentages as a measurement, then holding other factors constant, an attendance per capita might make more sense.

 

I use that number because it represents butts in the seats vs actual number of seats available. Absolute attendance doesn't account for the difference in the size of the arenas. Throwing in other values as constants would require a higher level of analytics using tools like SPSS, R, etc. If there was a great disparity in the size of the arenas between the 4 schools then the absolute attendance wouldn't mean as much. That is why I made note of CU only playing 12 of the 25yrs at the Qwest when discussing my results. 

 

Let me be clear Husker fans are more loyal than most, as pointed out by 49r when talking about Baylor and Mizzou, but we are not as great as we think we are. In football we like to brag about how loyal we are to the football team and that we sell out all of our home games which we do, but is that a product of our success? A few more 6-7 to 7-6 seasons might tell a different tale. I can say for certain that our current sell out streak at Memorial stadium is not a reflection of reality. Lots of seats bought up by large donor groups and companies to keep it propped up. Several games this past season had huge sections of empty seats. The next couple of seasons will be interesting.

[Dead Dog Alley]

Always good to have one of the ink stained minions of the fourth estate stop by but if Sam thinks the old BDSC had no panache he is obviously too young to have experienced the "good old" Danny Nee years or even the Moe Iba era when the old Bob was packed to the rafters. My personal feeling is that Nebraska fans are simply fans and turn out to any event which is more entertaining than any alternative. And, yes, it is more pleasant to watch the home team win.

BDSC was a pretty good atmosphere for a while, before Bill Byrne ruined it. Re-did the seating, moved the students, tied seats down low to donations, resulted in a half empty B section, home court advantage disappeared, fired Danny Nee thinking he could get Bill Self, and when Self said "yeaahhhh...think I will pass" got stuck with hiring Collier. Then at the Collier hiring press conference he starts talking about the women's rifle team. Bill Byrne ruined the whole program.

[jimmykc]

All of the above are correct, but there is always a silver lining for someone. When Byrne did all of these things I was mysteriously moved from my B section seats to the front row in the A section.