Norm Peterson

I'm a glutton for punishment.

So, they got Tshimanga'd is what you're saying?

With a coach who deserved to be fired at the end of last season, I'm assuming we'll be something like 13-14 by then.

But nobody ever develops under Miles. Except when they do, but then it's only because players develop over time just from osmosis, so you can't point to examples of players who developed as evidence to argue against the contention that Miles doesn't develop players. Has he been fired yet? Asking for a friend.

Serious point: Fat guys who are quick usually have really soft hands, which this guy appears to have. Be nice to see him grow another inch or two. He has more refined skill as a sophomore in HS (which is what he is in the video) than Jordy did as a sophomore in college. (That's Jordy's fault, btw.)

Name one guy on that list above you think would have been able to hit JD Spielman dead in stride on that 57 yard TD against Colorado (2:00 mark of the video). Crap, watch the whole video and tell me which of our prior dual-threat QBs would have been making any of those throws. Which of our prior dual-threat QBs had such big holes to run through because the defense had to respect their arms? I'm saying none of them. How many times over the years did you hear TV announcers say the defense was stacking the box, daring our QB to throw the ball and saying that our QBs weren't passing threats? Like all the time. AM is THE BEST passing dual-threat QB we've ever had. And he's a damn good runner, too. And he's a true freshman. ?

Those numbers are yards/attempt, so yes Frazier nearly 10 yards/attempt is quite up there. Here's a video of Adrian throwing and running. I don't think too many QBs on the above list would have been connecting on some of these throws and I don't think they would have been at all effective as pass-first QBs:

I would submit that Adrian Martinez could have effectively operated TO's offense, Solich's offense, and Pelini's offense. I would further submit that the ONLY players on the above list who could have effectively operated Frost's offense are Berringer and McCant. The other guys, as good as they were in the offenses they ran, were simply not accurate enough passers to run Frost's offense. Keep in mind a lot of Tommie Frazier's "completions" were shovel passes to a wingback or I-back up the middle -- basically runs that counted as passes because the ball was tossed forward a yard or two. Most of our passing plays back in that era were designed to look like runs: Frazier fakes a handoff to the FB, runs down the line like a regular option run, then steps back and wings a ball to a wide-open tight end who no one picked up because they were loading up to stop the run. In TO's, Frank's and Bo's offenses, the run game set up the passing game. The QB was primarily an extra running back who needed to be able to get the ball to typically wide-open tight ends (who were generally underthrown on the play) when the safeties stacked the box to stop the run. In Frost's offense, it's just the opposite. Most of Adrian Martinez's carries are on plays that are designed to look like passes.

Adrian Martinez is the best passing dual-threat QB we've ever had. Taylor Martinez's best single season completion percentage: 62.7% as a senior; 6.1 yards per attempt Brook Berringer's best single season completion percentage: 62.3% as a junior; 8.6 yards per attempt Keithen McCant's best single season completion percentage: 57.7% as a senior; 8.7 yards per attempt Tommie Frazier's best single season completion percentage: 56.4% as a senior; 9.3 yards per attempt Eric Crouch's best single season completion percentage: 55.6% as a senior; 8 yards per attempt Turner Gill's best single season completion percentage: 55.3% as a senior; 9.5 yards per attempt Scott Frost's best single season completion percentage: 55.3% as a senior; 7.8 yards per attempt Adrian Martinez: 66.1%; 7.9 yards per attempt * Minimum of 30 attempts

Classic James Palmer Jr move 22 seconds into this video.

Well, I wasn't talking about the form on his jumper. I see in the video a guy who makes his living at the rim and supplements his income at the 3-point line. He's roughly the same size as JPJr., similar length and build, their faces look very similar, they look like they could easily be siblings.

His stroke is pretty similar to Conklin, actually. And, if you're going to model your shooting stroke off of anyone, there are certainly worse models to choose than Brian Conklin.

If we can land this kid in the 2020 class, along with Donovan Williams and Dre Davis, I'm pretty stoked about this class. But gotta get Big Ben in the fold. 2019 is alright if we get a big man in that class (kinda like the unranked kid who visited this weekend.) But landing Carlson with the other two would be a real coup.

We won, though. Didn't we?

It's uncanny: his looks, his talking trash, his game, he's got it all. #JPIII

Who cares?

What was written was that our record last year justifies a pre-season ranking this year. I just responded that what we did last year wasn't good enough to get us into the dance; therefore, it doesn't necessarily follow that it's good enough to warrant us being ranked in the pre-season this year. And, if our record last year is enough to warrant a pre-season ranking this year, then ... (I'll let you fill in the blank.)

Point being? If the Big Ten office says 8 fouls called against you in the Purdue game shouldn't have been called, would you say: "According to people who aren't calling penalties in games?" Where is it written that acknowledgement the committee screwed you can only come from the committee?

Where'd I say that?

That couldn't have anything to do with his low usage rate, could it?

Because he's launching 3-point daggers instead of hanging out around the lane getting offensive putbacks.

According to Verbal Commits, we'd be his only P5 offer. If we've offered, and I can't tell for sure if we have or not. He has two offers from the Ivies (Dartmouth and Columbia) plus the AF Academy, so he must be really smart. He can shoot the hell out of the ball. Great range and he gets rid of the ball quickly. Seems to have good court vision and feel for the game. Makes some good passes; finds holes in the defense to make himself available for the pass. Not 100% sure on his athleticism. Question his quicks and straight-line speed. Although in one clip on the Hudl video posted above, he gets airborne and makes a pretty impressive block of a jump shot and then gets down the floor to receive a pass in transition for a dunk. But just looking at his video, he has the size to play inside on D and stretch the floor on O. He's from Kansas, so we'd be close to home. He's like the Mike Daum we didn't take. Don't make that mistake again.

I'm in.

How do you know that same speech wasn't given to Roby last year? Or something similar to it? I have reason to believe he's been getting encouragement to look to attack more and not pass up open looks for quite some time. I think Isaiah and the people close to him would say that he needed to develop more of a scorers mentality and I think -- and I believe people on here who are close to him would agree -- that it started clicking more for him toward the end of last season. In fact, one such person has recently pointed to the Michigan game in the Big Ten tourney as the moment things really clicked for Isaiah and he realized he can take on a scoring role. By the way, you can look back at the threads. I believe I was one of the first lasts year to openly state I think Roby needed to be starting. I think I was saying it as early as game 3 last year. If memory serves me, I think I even started a thread about it.