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Yes and no, IMO. I think we probably know how to do it in basketball, it's just that we haven't always had the desire or ability to do 100% of what is necessary. K-State wanted to be good in hoops again....they gave Huggins a second chance. We would have never done something like that in the past. We still might not. But it's the type of thing we need to do. Auburn did it with Pearl too. If you want to be good, maybe it means paying a guy $3.8M a year when he'd otherwise warrant $3M. Maybe it means giving a proven winner with past transgressions a second chance rather than a nobody a first chance. I've said a few times now over the last week or so that we need to look ourselves in the mirror and decide if we want to be good in basketball. It's going to take us getting away from our decisions in the past to do it. It CAN be done. Will it?

Does that automatically resign a football school to no success in basketball? There's a difference between expecting consistent elite 8s and expecting non sub -.500 records consistently. What about being a 'football school' disqualifies one from being good in basketball? There are plenty of football schools who are serviceable in basketball and vice versa.

Very good points. And some people will say history of winning and tradition. But the reality is....a 17-year old kid isn't going to choose a place to go play basketball for a few years based on events that occurred before he was born. He's going to choose based on what he feels gives him the best chance of being successful and that's going to be the current coach, who may or may not have been at the school for a while. All the same challenges here, apply in Manhattan and Ames as well.

IMO, not yet. Why? You still have new facilities that are among the best in the country. With the full share in the Big 10, you have the money to pay for what you are getting or even overpay for what you want to a certain extent and potentially have an admin with the willingness to do so. Those are some big pieces, we've either never really had the combination of before. Miles proved you can get talent in here. He just proved that he couldn't really push the right buttons with it. Recruiter and Coach don't have to be mutually exclusive. Nebraska isn't a destination job for many people. That doesn't mean it can't attract quality candidates. We've limited ourselves with our own self imposed restrictions limiting our pool more than anything. We've always half-assed our approach in hoops and never gone in head first. It's possible that fails too. But if it does, we're in no different a position than we have always been.

I'd also throw in low expectations as a caveat to your last point.

Very similar to that

Yep My opinion...and my opinion only....is we hyped that game up in our minds so much. That was our coming out party so to speak. We were unbeatable at home and we were going to knock off the top dog and move forward with a special season. When that didn't happen, we lost our edge and sleep walked through Rutgers. That significantly damaged our confidence and edge and Copeland's knee injury was the straw that broke the camel's back.

This.

Agreed

Meh. We started 5 Top 150 players with an average star rating of 4.2. There probably aren't more than 15 teams in the country that can say that. Things weren't exactly going smooth at the time of Cope's injury. We can say that more talent would help...but we haven't been getting a lot out of the talent we had.

Those teams also had a handful of high quality wins too. As of right now, we don't. Indiana has fallen apart. Clemson, Seton Hall and Creighton are serviceable, but they need to finish strong. Don't think any of those 4 teams are in the NCAA if it started today

Last salary update for Sampson at Houston I saw had him around $1.6M. We can more than double that if we want

I have no issues with the transfers. None. Huge variable for us. What I fault him on is bad roster management. I.E. Lack of front court players, stopping short on scholarships, losing other guys for a year to sit out on top of being short on ships, hodgepodge group of players There's no doubt he has brought in a number of talented individual players. There is a serious doubt about how they mesh and fit together.

You really think he researched when the extension was the previous year? It's interesting that this is only brought up after the fact. I won't deny that long term stability of a coach is a factor. More likely than anything, he saw Miles 2nd straight losing season and 3rd in 4 years and did the math himself. But I think the contract extension angle is b.s. and a strawman created to blame the administration for Miles failures. I'm no fan of Eichorst and have said he really put us into a bad spot last year...but we can't lay all of Miles failures at his feet.

But wasn't the decision to not extend Miles made at a retreat during the summer? Garza wasn't even mentioning us in early June. Doesn't add up. It's grasping at straws.

Considering the article listed in the link above from June 2016 didn't even mention us and the news of the no extension broke in August 2016, I think its safe to say he was gone.

It's a concern...but if we lose one two year player...so be it. That being said....if we are aggressive for a change with a coaching search....you might just be surprised in what the right coach could do to encourage him to stay

I agree....and don't get me wrong...I'm not defending those two....I'm just saying at the end of the day.....if the rest of this season goes at it feels it will, there's not going to be a huge amount of difference between the three regimes, regardless of how it got there. Different ingredients, same poor tasting recipe.

Not a good reason

Why knock Collier/Sadler though? I think Miles has brought in better individual talent than those guys. But his results are going to end up pretty darn similar when it is all said and done. And yes...Miles has played a tougher non-con and in the Big Ten. He also had two new facilities in his back pocket as well.

A. Not by me. Of all the issues I have with Miles, transfers are not near the top of my list. B. Also think there is a big difference to go that route in year 1 or year 2 when trying to rebuild and still going that route in years 6,7, or 8.

Transfer market makes it much different in today’s world though

Don’t know if Moos will hire a coach who will be successful here. I do know after squandering the talent we had this year, I have no faith in Miles to get it done

Think he and Boehm know each other too

Who cares. Hire a good coach for a change and it takes care of itself