Dead Dog Alley

Johnny Orr recommended himself only after he asked how much Iowa State was paying; and it was a lot more than Michigan was, even after Orr had taken Michigan to the national finals.

Hopefully it's one of those high-tech "smart floors" that we can program to have a dead spot wherever the opponent dribbles the ball.

Upvoted because it's true. I had no intention of this threadjacking.

Top 40 Teams by Final AP Cumulative Rankings, 2008-2014, with overall wins and losses, winning percentage, total number of seasons with 11 wins or more, best season record in that time, worst season record in that time, and best final AP ranking. AP Cum. Rk Team W L WL% # 11 win seasons Max Wins Best Record Worst Record Best AP Final 1 Alabama 84 11 0.884 6 14 14-0 10-3 1 2 Oregon 80 14 0.851 5 13 12-1 10-3 2 3 Ohio State 77 16 0.828 5 14 12-0 6-7 1 4 Texas Christian 70 20 0.778 5 13 13-0 4-8 2 5 Boise State 81 12 0.871 6 14 14-0 8-5 4 6 Oklahoma 71 22 0.763 3 12 12-2 8-5 5 7 Florida State 74 21 0.779 3 14 14-0 7-6 1 8 Stanford 67 25 0.728 4 12 12-1 5-7 4 9 Louisiana State 69 23 0.750 2 13 13-1 8-5 2 10 Michigan State 68 21 0.764 4 13 13-1 6-7 3 11 Florida 63 28 0.692 3 13 13-1 4-8 1 12 Wisconsin 67 27 0.713 3 11 11-2 7-6 7 13 South Carolina 63 29 0.685 3 11 11-2 7-6 4 14 Southern Cal 65 26 0.714 1 12 12-1 7-6 3 15 Georgia 64 29 0.688 1 12 12-2 6-7 5 16 Oklahoma State 66 25 0.725 2 12 12-1 7-6 3 17 Auburn 50 33 0.602 2 14 14-0 3-9 1 18 Texas 61 30 0.670 2 13 13-1 5-7 2 19 Clemson 64 29 0.688 2 11 11-2 6-7 8 20 Missouri 64 29 0.688 2 12 12-2 5-7 5 21 Baylor 55 34 0.618 2 11 11-2 4-8 7 22 Virginia Tech 64 30 0.681 2 11 11-3 7-6 10 23 Utah 60 29 0.674 1 13 13-0 5-7 2 24 Texas A&M 54 32 0.628 1 11 11-2 4-8 5 25 Arkansas 48 40 0.545 1 11 11-2 3-9 5 26 Penn State 60 29 0.674 2 11 11-2 7-6 8 27 Georgia Tech 59 35 0.628 2 11 11-3 6-7 8 28 Kansas State 56 33 0.629 1 11 11-2 5-7 12 29 Notre Dame 58 32 0.644 1 12 12-1 6-6 4 30 Cincinnati 65 26 0.714 2 12 12-1 4-8 8 31 Mississippi 48 41 0.539 0 9 9-4 2-10 14 32 UCLA 50 41 0.549 0 10 10-3 4-8 10 33 Louisville 55 34 0.618 2 12 12-1 4-8 13 34 Mississippi State 50 39 0.562 0 10 10-3 4-8 11 35 Iowa 54 36 0.600 1 11 11-2 4-8 7 36 Central Florida 59 32 0.648 2 12 12-1 4-8 10 37 Nebraska 66 28 0.702 0 10 10-4 9-4 14 38 Texas Tech 49 40 0.551 1 11 11-2 4-8 12 39 Arizona State 49 40 0.551 0 10 10-3 4-8 12 40 Michigan 46 42 0.523 1 11 11-2 3-9 12

My initial point was not just a reflection on the coaching in that time period, which obviously had its strong points and weak points, but on the athletic administration and especially the chancellor during that time. Which ties into the firing of the coaches as well. Was Frank done wrong? Well, in hindsight, that was a horrible decision. At that point the best option would have been to keep him on until he had one more bad season, which would have given an AD more free reign in a coaching search instead of the disaster of a search they ended up with. Was Bo done wrong? Ignoring the fact that he didn't want to be here and he basically wanted to get fired, as witness his George Costanza-like actions of the 2013 Iowa game, his record as to wins & losses (and graduation percentage) didn't warrant getting fired, which also lead to a shit show of a coaching search. Again the best option would be to wait for him to have a bad season, which was the way we were trending in a lot of people's view. So how does that counter my argument that the football program has been mismanaged? Because it clearly has.

I was not referring to the Pelini era but to the last 17 years, and the whole point was that the football program is not firmed up, and that's going to affect any possible coaching search in basketball. But since someone wanted to derail this and make it about the Pelini era, here goes. For the Pelini era only, 2008-2014. Nebraska's best final AP rankings: 14, 20, 24, 25 Teams with 4 or more Top 25 finishes in the AP poll: 7 - Alabama, Oregon 6 - Ohio State, Boise State, Florida State 5 - Texas Christian, Oklahoma, Louisiana State, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Southern Cal, Clemson 4 - Nebraska, Stanford, South Carolina, Georgia, Oklahoma State, Missouri, Virginia Tech Teams with 2 or more Top 20 finishes in the AP poll: 7 - Alabama, Oregon 6 - Ohio State, Boise State 5 - Texas Christian, Oklahoma, Louisiana State 4 - Florida State, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Southern Cal, Stanford, Georgia, Oklahoma State, Missouri 3 - Clemson, South Carolina, Virginia Tech, Florida, Texas, Baylor, Texas A&M, Kansas State, Mississippi 2 - Nebraska, Auburn, Utah, Georgia Tech, Cincinnati, Louisville, Penn State, Arkansas, Notre Dame, UCLA, Mississippi State, Iowa, Oregon State Teams with Top 15 finishes in the AP poll: 7 - Alabama, Oregon 6 - Ohio State 5 - Texas Christian 4 - Boise State, Oklahoma, Louisiana State, Michigan State, Stanford, Florida Staet, Wisconsin, Georgia 3 - Clemson, South Carolina, Florida, Baylor 2 - Southern Cal, Oklahoma State, Missouri, Virginia Tech, Texas, Kansas State, Auburn, Georgia Tech, Louisville, Penn State, Arkansas, Mississippi State 1 - Nebraska, Texas A&M, Mississippi, Utah, Cincinnati, Notre Dame, UCLA, Iowa, Central Florida, Texas Tech, Arizona State, Michigan, Brigham Young, Nevada, Pittsburgh Teams with Top 10 finishes in the AP poll: 7 - Alabama 6 - Oregon 5 - Ohio State 4 - Texas Christian 3 - Boise State, Oklahoma, Stanford, Florida State, South Carolina, Florida 2 - Louisiana State, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Georgia, Southern Cal, Texas, Auburn, Penn State 1 - Clemson, Baylor, Oklahoma State, Missouri, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, Arkansas, Texas A&M, Utah, Cincinnati, Notre Dame, UCLA, Iowa, Central Florida 0 - Nebraska Teams with Top 5 finishes in the AP poll: 4 - Alabama, Oregon, Ohio State 2 - Texas Christian, Florida State, Florida, Michigan State, Texas, Auburn 1 - Oklahoma, Boise State, Stanford, South Carolina, Louisiana State, Georgia, Southern Cal, Oklahoma State, Missouri, Arkansas, Texas A&M, Utah, Notre Dame Teams with Top 2 finishes in the AP poll: 3 - Alabama 2 - Oregon, Auburn 1 - Ohio State, Texas Christian, Florida State, Florida, Texas, Louisiana State, Utah Teams with National Championships in the AP poll: 3 - Alabama 1 - Auburn, Ohio State, Florida State, Florida Teams that finished ranked higher than # 14 in the AP poll at some point: 7 - Alabama, Oregon 6 - Ohio State 4 - Texas Christian, Boise State, Stanford 3 - Florida State, Florida, Michigan State, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Georgia, Wisconsin, Baylor 2 - Auburn, Texas, Louisiana State, Southern Cal, Oklahoma State, Arkansas, Penn State, Clemson, Georgia Tech 1 - Utah, Missouri, Texas A&M, Notre Dame, Virginia Tech, Cincinnati, UCLA, Iowa, Central Florida, Kansas State, Louisville, Mississippi State, Texas Tech, Arizona State, Michigan, Brigham Young, Nevada 0 - Nebraska If you assign 25 points to a #1 final ranking, 24 to a #2, etc., and sum them over those seven years (similar to the way the weekly ranking is compiled) 1-Alabama, 2-Oregon, 3-Ohio State, 4-Texas Christian, 5-Boise State, 6-Oklahoma, 7-Florida State, 8-Stanford, 9-Louisiana State, 10-Michigan State, 11-Florida, 12-Wisconsin, 13-South Carolina, 14-Southern Cal, 15-Georgia, 16-Oklahoma State, 17-Auburn, 18-Texas, 19-Clemson, 20-Missouri, 21-Baylor, 22-Virginia Tech, 23-Utah, 24-Texas A&M, 25-Arkansas, 26-Penn State, 27-Georgia Tech, 28-Kansas State, 29-Notre Dame, 30-Cincinnati, 31-Mississippi, 32-UCLA, 33-Louisville, 34-Mississippi State, 35-Iowa, 36-Central Florida, 37-Nebraska We were more consistent than a lot of other programs during that time, which is why we would rank higher based on winning percentage than by the AP ranking metrics, but there were no peaks either.

There's nothing personal about it. Except maybe for someone who reflexively attacks any opinion different than his own. Also, I think you need to question your own objectivity.

My mistake, you are not reasonable.

One way we could win: Outfit the entire team with Haarms wigs. Haarms would be so distracted by the temptation to run his fingers through all our players' hair that he'd commit a lot of turnovers and not play any defense.

Building a roster that can do well in the NCAA tournament is different than building a roster that can do well in the NCAA tournament AND that can survive the grind of a major conference with legitimate frontcourts. (Witness this years Nebraska team, if this team was in the Atlantic 10 or Mountain West or even the Big East or Pac12 it would go about 25-5 in the regular season and make the sweet sixteen, but it couldn't survive 20 games against Big Ten competition - the frontcourt matchups just didn't work.) Shaka proved he could win in the tournament once he got there, but he hasn't proven he can get there when he's in a major conference.

Speaking of Duke assistants. Collins had one miracle year at Northwestern but is reverting to the mean. Quin Snyder went to a regional final but ended up getting canned at Missouri. Amaker racked up 3 NIT seasons in 6 years before getting canned at Michigan. Dawkins had a sweet sixteen and a couple of NITs in 8 years at Stanford before getting pushed out. Wojciechowski is going to make his second NCAA in 5 years at Marquette. Mike Brey, the one that was an assistant but didn't play at Duke, has done the best, 12 NCAAs in 19 years.

Did Schestev have a major head injury, like in a motorcycle accident or something, and then move to Kearney? (Sorry to dig way back into the unfortunate history of Husker message boards there.)

Sorry Ron, I respect your opinions and find them reasonable 95% of the time, but every discussion of this sort automatically brings out your defense of the Pelini era. And there is one thing that needs to be considered about the Pelini era - after November 20, 2010 (the Texas A&M game), he didn't want to be here. You can put the majority of the blame for that on Harvey Perlman, and you'd be right, but he absolutely wanted out of here after that and pretty much hated this place. (And after getting completely ass-raped by a crooked officiating crew and then getting the treatment he got from that dumbshit Harvey, I can't say that I really blame him.) But, I admit I was wrong. We've only been shitty at football for 17 years. Not shitty every single year, mind you, but over that stretch we don't qualify as a high level program. In that time frame, the number of teams with more Top 25 AP finishes than Nebraska: 27. In that time frame, the number of teams with more Top 20 AP finishes than Nebraska: 32. In that time frame, the number of teams with more Top 15 AP finishes than Nebraska: 41. In that time frame, the number of teams with a higher best AP finish than Nebraska's best AP finish: 56. Now that, that I would call shitty. Nebraska is a football school that hasn't been all that good at football. If it can't get football right it'll be pretty hard to get men's basketball right, as any good prospective coaches will be leery of the competence level of the entire athletic department.

One top 15 finish in the AP poll in that time, with a ranking that year of 14. I sure don’t call that good.

We’re a football school that hasn’t been good at football for 18 years. We have an AD that has apparently drawn the ire of some major boosters and whose last basketball hire was completely uninspiring. We are on the verge of having our eleventh losing season in the last twenty years, have never won a tournament game, have derailed the coaching career of everybody that’s been here, and might not return anybody next year who averaged more than 2 points a game. Other than that........

Matta played for Collier his senior year at Butler and was an assistant for him there for two separate three year stints. So, does that help our cause or hurt it?

Boehm was assistant AD at Pitt when Howland was there, and was acting AD (after Pedersen came here) when Howland left for UCLA.

Collier's classes: 2000. Kevin Augustine (JC), Kedrick Ford (JC), Justin Boeker (JC), Marques McCarty, Danai Young (JC). 2001. Andrew Drevo (WO TR), Jake Muhleisen, John Turek, Brennan Clemmons (JC), Corey Simms, Bronson Schliep (WO), Tony Wilbrand (WO), Dan Heimos 2002. Nate Johnson (JC), Jason Dourisseau, Wes Wilkinson, Roy Enright 2003. Marcus Neal (JC), Charles Richardson, Shaun Steagall, James Reynolds, Bob Kempf (WO) 2004. Aleks Maric, Joe McCray, Marcus Perry (JC), Paul Velander (WO), Jim Ledsome 2005. Jamel White, Chris Balham, Marcus Walker, B.J. Walker (JC), Kyle Marks, Mike Smith 2006. Ryan Anderson, Jay-R Strowbridge Doc's classes: 2006. Sek Henry, Jeremy Barr (TR) 2007. Ade Dagunduro (JC), Steve Harley (JC), Toney McCray, Brandon Richardson, Cookie Miller, Shang Ping (JC), Alonzo Edwards, Alex Chapman (JC) 2008. Jorge Diaz, Eshuante Jones, Christopher Niemann, Mike Fox (WO), Cole Saloman (WO TR), Matt Karn (WO JC) 2009. Lance Jeter (JC), Ray Gallegos, Brandon Ubel, Drake Beranek (WO TR), Christian Standhardinger, Quincy Hankins-Cole (JC), Myles Holley (JC) 2010. Caleb Walker (JC), Andre Almeida (JC), Trevor Menke (WO), Kye Kurkowski (WO), Jordan Tyrance (WO), Marshall Parker (JC WO) 2011. Dylan Talley (JC), David Rivers, Josiah Moore, Corey Hilliard 2012. Shavon Shields, Benny Parker, Fahro Alihozdic (JC), Jerran Young (JC), Keith Coleman (JC)

Well: worst case scenario would be, out of the group of Roby, Allen, Burke, and Green, losing 3 or all 4 of them; and then adding the equivalent of Barry Collier's first recruiting class. That would lead to, and I'm just throwing out a rough estimate here, about a 37 game conference losing streak.

It’s not really a law. More of a guideline.

This game has been so gawd-awful, and Nebraska has been so absolutely pathetic that one glaring thing is escaping notice - these refs really do suck. They are absolutely worthless.

That #15 is the biggest jerk to come from the country of Georgia since Josef Stalin.

Pat Chambers got a 4 year extension at Penn State after winning the NIT last year. He's going to be let go after this year. Riley got an extension. Pelini got an extension. Callahan got an extension. The idea that extensions equal job stability? They don't, and everybody knows it.

Purdue and the officiating crew take Penn State to overtime. All 736 Penn State fans in attendance are going crazy. 29 of those fans are even standing up.