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Kid reminds me entirely of a miniature Jared Sullinger. I think the way Sullinger looks in the NBA will be how Horne looks in college. Horne has phenomenal footwork and offensive ability. He'll always be big boned, but if we can chisel up his body to the point where he's a threat to dunk, he might be the most talented of any of our most recent recruits. I think Horne will end up being a solid 10pt, 6 reb sort of player at the college level, which would be fantastic.

With the versatility of all the 6'7" - 6'8" players, we have several players that can play more than one position. Watson: 1 Webster: 1-3 White: 2-4 Gill: 1-2 McVeigh: 3-4 Roby: 3-4 (I'm positive he can play the 3) Morrow: 4 Horne: 4 Jacobson: 4-5 Yep... we need a 5.

I totally agree. Doc is the perfect example of why recruiting is infinitely more important than in-game coaching and prep. Doc is an excellent in-game coach, and his ability to coach transition defense is inspiring. He also regularly got the absolute best effort out of his players... And approximately none of that mattered when we played anyone with mostly 3-4* athletes. The best college coach is the best recruiter, period. Xs and Os are completely overrated at the college level. Calipari is basically a GM.

Interesting. Some wheels must be in motion big time right now (as they should be). I'm not too thrilled about losing BE and JH, but I'm guessing there's something more enticing in the works.

Recruiting is 500% more important than in-game coaching. I'd love to see us get a big man mentor who played in the league.

Give Molinari a chance to run the defense with an actual post defender. I've seen enough defensive improvements with individual players to think he's knows what he's doing, plus our players are mostly from the Chicago area now, which might have something to do with Mo.

6'9" is fine with me if he weighs close to a muscular 250lbs. Otherwise, you at least need a 6'10" body to defend the post. I agree, we have great size if we have the option to defend the post one-on-one. I'm surprised we didn't go after Michigan's Ricky Doyle (6'9" 250lbs) considering we almost landed Max Bielfeldt last year. I'm still not worried though. I think TM will get this thing done, and I think next year will be really fun to watch defensively when we don't have to double the post.

It's important to remember that Jacobson is a 4. He's pretty strong and athletic for a true freshman 4. He's not an impressive specimen when he is guarding 7'ers.

I watched Gill own NCST to send UL to the Elite Eight. He was on a team with ridiculous guard play and was still contributing important minutes as an underclassman. His situation is very comparable to AWIII. He's a starter virtually anywhere else in the country. I'd be shocked if he isn't one of the best SGs in the B1G.

Man... I'd throw Doyle an offer immediately. I was always pretty impressed with him, but he didn't fit UM that well. He's 6'9" 250, and he carries it well (strong not fat). Obviously, best case would be that we already have a couple of 5s, but I've seen that kid log quality minutes. Also, I agree that this is a great statement from Beilein who is an excellent coach and person.

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I like his confidence. I think he's skilled enough to play the 3. His frame wouldn't matter as much there, and his height would be an advantage.

Interesting prospect. I'd be cool with it. Definitely unorthodox, but very athletic... based on the shots he took beyond the arc, it looks like his coach gave him the green light out there. That's always a good sign.

If we have a serviceable 5, our starting 1-4 is easily top half. Watson - top half (I realize there are several right around his level, but there is no cut above the rest in the upper eschelon next season assuming Melo is gone) Gill/Webster - top half White - He's the best SF in the conference next season from what I've seen. Morrow/Jacobson - Combined, top half at the 4, imo Also, I really think Roby will be an impact freshman at the 3 or 4. If we don't have a 5, everything is thrown completely off.

While a hilarious point, I don't think he's the caliber of player of any of these guys. Craft is a great athlete. The only reason he isn't in the NBA is because he can't shoot. DJ Byrd is 6'5" 225lbs. Nate Funk is... well... maybe this kid could play in the MVC... but Funk was a solid D1 player, and 6'3".

I'm not sure this guy can get a shot off or go by anyone in D1, and he's 6'1". Not hating, I'm impressed with what he's done with what he has, but I have no idea who he could guard or score on in the B1G.

Danny Nee went 12-6 against Altman between K-State and Creighton, and the wins over Creighton were almost always blowouts. There was no rivalry until Nee was fired. So, no, clearly Altman isn't, but he was extremely smart for taking the Oregon job as his system works great with good athletes. Altman was never a great recruiter, but Oregon recruits itself. He was probably a better in-game coach than anyone we've had, but he was a below average recruiter, in my opinion, and recruiting in college basketball is about 5 times more important than in-game coaching. Altman would've been another Sadler at UNL--solid in-game coaching, sub par talent. If we're talking upside alone (recruiting ability plus coaching), I think TM has displayed recruiting potential we haven't seen since Nee, and Nee was definitely a better coach than Altman because of his ability to recruit. In fairness to Altman, he inherited a horrid program. He closed the talent gap with NU by 1999 and they turned in a winning season. So if you want to compare going head to head with reasonably comparable talent levels, you can't hold pre 1999 Creighton against him. They were a bad mid major when he arrived. He went 7-19 in year one, four years later the guy is winning an NCAA tourney game...AT CREIGHTON!His record after that vs NU is 8-2. Let's at least call it the way it was. How can you turn around a 7-19 mid major in 4 years and not be a good recruiter?? Using this logic you cannot count TM first two games versus Creighton or most of his head to head record against Greg McDermott bc McDermott has almost always been at the more established program. I would also like to point out that you used both of these records against Miles to justify your dissatisfaction. You can't use records to crush TM and "prove" how bad of a coach he is but then turnaround and forgive Altman for parts of his records due to certain circumstances; circumstances that both he and Miles seem to be facing. So please let's just "call it the way it is." I hear you. My argument rests on the recruiting factor. I pointed out the head to head record because Altman was at the more established program at KSU when Nee started beating him and pulling in legitimate NBA talent. I also said that head to head isn't everything and that Altman was a better in-game coach. I just don't think he could've recruited the program changers to Nebraska that Nee did, and that matters a lot more than in-game coaching. My grade formula for coaches goes something like this: 1. Recruiting 2. Recruiting 3. Recruiting 4. Xs and Os As for TM, he has a lot to prove on the coaching end, but he's an incredible recruiter, which means I believe his ceiling is pretty damned high. McDermott is very similar to Altman--good Xs and Os coach, below average recruiter. He hasn't sniffed the NCAA Tournament outside of his big commit, Doug. When he was at ISU, he couldn't recruit anyone to play for him there. He's peaked, and the move to the Big East was the worst thing that could've possibly happened to him. I look at TM v. McD like this: because our talent levels have been similar, McD is going to win that matchup every time because he's a better Xs and Os coach, but McD could never get the kids to UNL that TM has, and once we have a complete team, the talent will likely take over, just like it did in the Big 12.

Danny Nee went 12-6 against Altman between K-State and Creighton, and the wins over Creighton were almost always blowouts. There was no rivalry until Nee was fired.So, no, clearly Altman isn't, but he was extremely smart for taking the Oregon job as his system works great with good athletes. Altman was never a great recruiter, but Oregon recruits itself. He was probably a better in-game coach than anyone we've had, but he was a below average recruiter, in my opinion, and recruiting in college basketball is about 5 times more important than in-game coaching. Altman would've been another Sadler at UNL--solid in-game coaching, sub par talent. If we're talking upside alone (recruiting ability plus coaching), I think TM has displayed recruiting potential we haven't seen since Nee, and Nee was definitely a better coach than Altman because of his ability to recruit. Yeah.... No. Altman is better than Nee. Altman is 9-11 in the tournament.Maybe some of nees teams were better than Altman's but that doesn't mean nee is a better coach. By the logic of head to head only matters miles is better than izzo. And therefore McDermott is way better than izzo. When did I say only head to head matters? The original question was about whether Altman could've succeeded at UNL, and it's clear by his K-State tenure that he couldn't because he wasn't a good recruiter. You have to have a miracle recruiter to build a program at Nebraska. That has to come first before in-game coaching. That said, there's no way Nee could've done what Altman has done with Oregon because wasn't a good enough in-game coach. If you give Altman great players, he's as good as anyone. I'm not trying to discredit the guy at all. He's a very good Xs and Os coach, but it's not very observant to think he could've gotten any decent recruits to UNL based on the diminishing quality of recruits during his KState tenure.

Danny Nee went 12-6 against Altman between K-State and Creighton, and the wins over Creighton were almost always blowouts. There was no rivalry until Nee was fired. So, no, clearly Altman isn't, but he was extremely smart for taking the Oregon job as his system works great with good athletes. Altman was never a great recruiter, but Oregon recruits itself. He was probably a better in-game coach than anyone we've had, but he was a below average recruiter, in my opinion, and recruiting in college basketball is about 5 times more important than in-game coaching. Altman would've been another Sadler at UNL--solid in-game coaching, sub par talent. If we're talking upside alone (recruiting ability plus coaching), I think TM has displayed recruiting potential we haven't seen since Nee, and Nee was definitely a better coach than Altman because of his ability to recruit. In fairness to Altman, he inherited a horrid program. He closed the talent gap with NU by 1999 and they turned in a winning season. So if you want to compare going head to head with reasonably comparable talent levels, you can't hold pre 1999 Creighton against him. They were a bad mid major when he arrived. He went 7-19 in year one, four years later the guy is winning an NCAA tourney game...AT CREIGHTON! His record after that vs NU is 8-2. Let's at least call it the way it was. How can you turn around a 7-19 mid major in 4 years and not be a good recruiter?? Indeed, let's do. KSU had just come off 3 straight tournament appearances and a top 10 finish when Altman took over and brought it back to mediocrity. He inherited a great program at K-State and still managed to have a losing record to Nee. Mid-majors don't require good recruiters. That's the whole point. If you have one or two D-League players every season, you'll win the MVC, and that's exactly what happened.

Danny Nee went 12-6 against Altman between K-State and Creighton, and the wins over Creighton were almost always blowouts. There was no rivalry until Nee was fired. So, no, clearly Altman isn't, but he was extremely smart for taking the Oregon job as his system works great with good athletes. Altman was never a great recruiter, but Oregon recruits itself. He was probably a better in-game coach than anyone we've had, but he was a below average recruiter, in my opinion, and recruiting in college basketball is about 5 times more important than in-game coaching. Altman would've been another Sadler at UNL--solid in-game coaching, sub par talent. If we're talking upside alone (recruiting ability plus coaching), I think TM has displayed recruiting potential we haven't seen since Nee, and Nee was definitely a better coach than Altman because of his ability to recruit.

WOW... I didn't know Link Kabadyundi was Jordy's Tshimanga's brother.... he's the 7'2" kid who visited NU in 2014. He left TCU for more playing time. Transferred to Blinn Junior college from TCU after his Fr. year due to lack of playing time and I'm guessing he's ready for D1 again. This would make a whole lot of sense. The two of them would be an incredible haul. I wonder if Mangok (Sr.), Link (Jr.), and Jordy (Fr.) would be a possibility? It's 2:15am.

I think I know who you're talking about... Dallas area? Are he and Jordy a package deal? That would not suck.

I watched some film of him. If we can chisel him up, he has some serious one on one gifts with the ball in his hands. I'd like to see him bulk up to 225-230.. I think his frame would take advantage. I agree with the DG comparison, though I think JH has a ways to go on defense. Offensively, though, they do have a pretty strong resemblance.

I think it's a fair comparison. They both have a great midrange jumper, but their means for getting that shot is vastly different. Lue had freakshow speed and was a great defender, but he didn't have that jumper as a freshman. I actually think Watson is the better PG at this age, but he doesn't have the same physical gifts, so his ceiling isn't as high. Once Lue figured out what he could do with his physical gifts, he was completely unstoppable at the college level. I'll say this though: Watson's A:TO is really remarkable for a freshman, and he has the clutch gene. It looks like he's starting to figure out how to defend, which was my main concern. If he progresses, I think he'll make the league.

With all due respect I can tell you it's probably half and I have no idea who everyone will have next year. The common denominator of the top 5 teams in the B1G is a solid center. I haven't seen many PGs I'd take over Watson (Melo, Yogi, Gessel will be gone), SFs I'd take over White, and I'm guessing there won't be any shooting guards I'd take over Gill. It's hard to say how our PFs will match up because we've never seen them play PF. If we roll out Watson, Gill, White, and Morrow, that's 4 Top 100 recruits. I guess after analyzing it I still feel the same way, though I did consider your view.