Jumping the Gun

[atskooc]

 

To be it's about percentages, not point totals.

 

I mean what would you prefer from a starting QB?  Going 18 for 30 passing, or going 13 of 18 passing?  The QB going 18 for 30 would more than likely have more passing yards, simply because of more passing attempts.

 

Going 18 for 30 means that there were 12 incomplete passing attempts that took away carries from the RB.  Going 13 of 18 means that there were only 5 incomplete passing attempts that took carries away from the RB.  Like I said, to me it's about percentages, not total points.

Removed for inability to distinguish simple numbers.

What?  I don't even know what your post means.

 

What I was saying is:

Would you want your QB to go 18 of 30 passing (18 completions, 30 attempts), or 13 of 18 passing (13 completions, 18 attempts).  While it is very likely that the QB that goes 18 of 30 in this scenario (18 completions, 30 attempts) will end up with more passing yards, simply because he has more attempts, doesn't mean that he was as effective/efficient as the QB that went 13 of 18 passing (13 completions, 18 attempts).  While the QB with a higher number of attempts will probably have a higher total number of yards in this scenario, it was also at the cost of production from other players on his team (ie failed attempts, missed shots, incomplete passes).  The QB with the higher number of attempts in this scenario also had a much higher number of incompletions.  He was less effective/efficient.  The QB with the higher number of attempts also threw 12 incompletions, while the other QB only threw 5 incomplete passes.  So, the QB with the higher number of attempts also had the higher number of plays that he didn't allow for potential production from his teammates. 

 

To me this is like basketball.  It's not about point totals, it's about the ratio of shots taken/shots made.  It's a percentage.  And the 3-PT% of Gallegos in Big Ten play was less than .300.  He shot 130 more 3's than any other player on the team, so obviously, he had more points.  But while taking 130 more 3's than anyone else on the team, he also missed many more shots than anyone else.  That is how he can score more points than other players, while his 3-PT% is lower (less than .300)  I'm not as impressed with a guy that scores a few more points, when he also shoots 130 more 3's than anyone else on the team.

My post means nothing.  I misread the numbers you posted initially and I couldn't delete the post.  So, I removed my post because I showed an inability to read your simple numbers.

[AuroranHusker]

To be it's about percentages, not point totals.

 

I mean what would you prefer from a starting QB?  Going 18 for 30 passing, or going 13 of 18 passing?  The QB going 18 for 30 would more than likely have more passing yards, simply because of more passing attempts.

 

Going 18 for 30 means that there were 12 incomplete passing attempts that took away carries from the RB.  Going 13 of 18 means that there were only 5 incomplete passing attempts that took carries away from the RB.  Like I said, to me it's about percentages, not total points.

 

Not exactly.

30% from 3 point range > 40% from 2 point range

What you really want is effective FG% which accounts for the addition point given by a 3pt shot.

 

 

via kenpom.com

 

Effective field goal percentage is like regular field goal percentage except that it gives 50% more credit for made three-pointers.

eFG% = (.5*3FGM + FGM) / FGA

 

 

I think you meant eFG% = [1.5*(3FGM) + FGM] / FGA

[hhcmatt]

 

To be it's about percentages, not point totals.

 

I mean what would you prefer from a starting QB?  Going 18 for 30 passing, or going 13 of 18 passing?  The QB going 18 for 30 would more than likely have more passing yards, simply because of more passing attempts.

 

Going 18 for 30 means that there were 12 incomplete passing attempts that took away carries from the RB.  Going 13 of 18 means that there were only 5 incomplete passing attempts that took carries away from the RB.  Like I said, to me it's about percentages, not total points.

 

Not exactly.

30% from 3 point range > 40% from 2 point range

What you really want is effective FG% which accounts for the addition point given by a 3pt shot.

 

 

via kenpom.com

 

Effective field goal percentage is like regular field goal percentage except that it gives 50% more credit for made three-pointers.

eFG% = (.5*3FGM + FGM) / FGA

 

 

I think you meant eFG% = [1.5*(3FGM) + FGM] / FGA

 

I think you meant eFG% = [1.5*(3FGM) + 2FGM] / FGA

[AuroranHusker]

 

 

To be it's about percentages, not point totals.

 

I mean what would you prefer from a starting QB?  Going 18 for 30 passing, or going 13 of 18 passing?  The QB going 18 for 30 would more than likely have more passing yards, simply because of more passing attempts.

 

Going 18 for 30 means that there were 12 incomplete passing attempts that took away carries from the RB.  Going 13 of 18 means that there were only 5 incomplete passing attempts that took carries away from the RB.  Like I said, to me it's about percentages, not total points.

 

Not exactly.

30% from 3 point range > 40% from 2 point range

What you really want is effective FG% which accounts for the addition point given by a 3pt shot.

 

 

via kenpom.com

 

Effective field goal percentage is like regular field goal percentage except that it gives 50% more credit for made three-pointers.

eFG% = (.5*3FGM + FGM) / FGA

 

 

I think you meant eFG% = [1.5*(3FGM) + FGM] / FGA

 

I think you meant eFG% = [1.5*(3FGM) + 2FGM] / FGA

 

Yeah, I read it incorrectly... I've always looked at it w/ 3-balls worth 150% of 2's. Sorry for my comprehension/confusion of your numbers.

[NUdiehard]

In general this is true, but not entirely.  There are other factors.  Every missed shot is an opportunity for the opponent to rebound and initiate a fast break whereas every made shot requires the opponent to step behind the baseline before inbounding the ball, thereby allowing the defense to set up.  It is rare for a team to get a fast break opporunity off a made shot.  Thus, there is value in a made shot beyond just the 2 points.  I suppose you could argue that a missed shot is an opportunity for an offensive rebound, but I would imagine most coaches prefer to make the basket a higher percentage of the time if the net scoring result was the same.