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It was a great win. I posted that in the Indiana game thread.

Actually, 3 losing seasons out of 4. And potentially 4 losing seasons in 5. The Miles criticism was never only about 1 game. It has been about 5 years.

Yeah, for 3 days. Now Nebraska is 7-6.

I know people are excited. And the win over Indiana was great. But Nebraska is still 7-6 on the season, so let's not get too carried away.

Wow! Great road win!

Jacobson is not good

Odd. I didn't know schools recruit and waste scholarships players that they don't think can play a single minute. Creighton was a top-25 team when they signed Patton and Thomas? I'm pretty sure the season that they committed to Creighton, the Bluejays were 14-19. Again, this is a straw man argument. No one is saying Nebraska should have taken any of these instate prospects over players like Webster, Morrow, or Watson. But in the class with Morrow/Watson, Nebraska also signed Bakari Evelyn, Michael Jacobson, and Jack McVeigh. In Webster's class, Nebraska also signed Nate Hawkins and Nick Fuller. And in the other recruiting classes, Miles has chosen the self-imposed scholarship sanctions of 1-2 scholarships per year. I think there are obvious examples from this group of instate players that would have been more valuable than these players and/or open scholarships. I disagree.

True. But no one is saying that Nebraska should have taken him over Morrow. That's a straw man argument. In that same class Nebraska signed Bakari Evelyn, Michael Jacobson, and Jack McVeigh. Daum would be more valuable to this team than all 3 of those players. And when talking about the other instate players that I have mentioned, Miles decided on the self-imposed sanctions of 1 or more scholarships, rather than signing one of those players. And comparing UNC and Duke to Nebraska is a little ridiculous. Those schools, while maybe missing out on a quality instate prospect, are still recruiting/performing at an elite level. They are not likely on their way to a 3rd consecutive sub-.500 season.

If Nebraska basketball was top-5 winningest program of all time and winning conference and national championships, then I honestly wouldn't care if Nebrasketball ever recruited a single player from this state, because that means you are signing equal or greater talent from somewhere else. The problem is when those instate players are better than the out of state players you have. For example, right now I'm watching Wichita St vs SDSU. Daum clearly looks to be a better shooter than McVeigh and he is 6'9" 250 lbs. Nebraska would be better off having a player like Daum starting at the 3 spot to knock down 3s, rather than McVeigh. Or Daum could start at the 5-spot next to Morrow. To me, Daum is clearly more valuable at the 5 spot than Jacobson. Plus, when he shoots 3s, he's actually a threat to make them consistently. That is not the case with Jacobson. Another example would be Patton. He would clearly be starting at the 5-spot for Nebraska. And guys like Tra-Deon Hollins, Jalen Bradley, and Khyri Thomas would all 3 be more valuable on Nebraska's roster than Fuller or McVeigh. To me, the issue isn't missing out on instate talent. The issue is missing out on instate talent that is better than the out of state talent that you sign instead.

You're probably right,

I guess I thought I have been pretty clear that I'm not suggesting that Eichorst needs to fire him mid-season. That is why I put "if this trend continues" in the thread title. I have tried to reiterate as often as I can that I think this is dependent on the trend continuing. That trend is sub-.500 records. All of the prediction services seem to think Nebraska will win at best 5-6 conference games. And the probability of Nebraska winning 9 conference games is projected at slim to none. That would mean Nebraska finishing with a 3rd consecutive sub-.500 season...after Eichorst had already chosen not to extend his contract in the offseason. So, "if this trend continues", I don't think it is going out on too much of a limb to think there will be changes. But if this team somehow catches lightning in a bottle and finishes the season by winning 9 or more conference games, then I don't think a change will be made.

Fans treating players like kings is a product of quality of play on the floor. Nebraska players are treated like that when the team is playing at a high level. It just doesn't happen very often. I remember what downtown/haymarket were like when Nebraska went on that run in 2014. I specifically remember "Go Big Red" chants for Petteway, Pitchford, and Rivers when they were out at a restaurant after No Sit Sunday. It was crazy. Nebrasketball players will be treated like that again if they ever get back to a tournament level team. And it would be a circus if they ever got to the level that Creighton is at and ranked in the top-10 and on their way to a 2 or 3 seed in the NCAA tournament.

12-18 (6-12)

I agree. I believe that Nebraska has a lot to offer in terms of facilities, conference affiliation, fan interest, selling out the arena, in addition to the fact that Nebraska has the money to pay top dollar for a coach if Eichorst is willing to do so. And Nebraska's financial resources are about to increase even more when they become a full financial member of the Big Ten in 2017. This is all significantly improved from Nebraska's situation for their last few basketball coaching hires. The right coach can win and recruit in this part of the country. Nebraska has the resources to get one of these coaches. The only question is whether or not they are willing to to so.

I get it. And I'm not bothered by it. I guess it just seemed more like people were giving outlandish examples that were intended as straw man argument or fallacy of extension. So I wanted to explain why I don't think the examples I gave are on the same level as some of the exaggerations that were being mentioned.

It's also interesting to me that I don't remember the same level of criticism when people on this board dream big about potential highly ranked recruits coming to Nebraska. I'm pretty sure that there were threads on this board speculating what nebraska's lineup would look like if players like Jahlil Okafor and Tyus Jones came to Nebraska and/or "Chicago 5". Or insert any number of other highly ranked recruits from any particular year that people speculate about the possibilities, even when there is little to no chance of it actually happening.

Nebraska can afford almost all of the coaches that I have brought up in this thread. And Anderson is only making $2 Million at Arkansas right now, which is basically what Miles is making here. Anderson has much more success at the power-5 level, so I would imagine that Eichorst would be more willing to give him a bump in pay. The only pipe-dream that I have brought up in this thread is Hoiberg...and I only brought him up because it was mentioned by Benning and Vrzal on 1620. And the Bulls aren't doing well right now, so he could be looking for a job soon. I'm sorry, but... If this thread is going to get your jimmies rustled, then please don't read when something is posted.

Doing well right now? Is that what the standard is around here now? Just being .500 or 1 game above is considered well.

That would probably be the final straw. Nebraska is currently 6-6, so if they go 5-13 or 6-12 in the Big Ten, that puts them at 11-19 or 12-18. Not even close to .500 on the season. I don't see any way that Eichorst could go another season without making a change.

Mike Anderson - Arkansas One of just 10 current Division I head coaches with 10-plus years of experience and no losing seasons, Anderson’s 14 years at the helm of a program have resulted in a 302-162 record, nine 20-win campaigns, seven NCAA Tournament appearances, two Sweet Sixteen berths and a run to the 2009 Elite Eight. During his first five seasons at Arkansas, Anderson produced a 102-64 record and was the first head coach in program history to win 18 or more games in each of his first four years. Anderson has also re-established Bud Walton Arena as one of the toughest places to play and brought excitement back to the tradition-rich program. In his first five years, Arkansas has won 80 games (80-12) in Bud Walton Arena, including an arena-record 17 during each of his first three years. The 2012-13 squad posted just the third unbeaten SEC home record (9-0) in program history and the first since 1998. The success on-and-off the court has translated into fan support as Arkansas returned to the top 25 in national attendance the first four years, including No. 11 in 2014-15. Fans caught a glimpse of the glory days in 2014-15, as the Razorbacks returned to both the NCAA Tournament and SEC Tournament championship game for the first time since 2008. Highlighted by a victory over Southern Conference champ Wofford in the second round of the NCAA Tournament and a program record six SEC road wins, Arkansas produced the sixth-most wins in program history with a 27-9 record. Of course, the up-tempo style of play donned the “Fastest 40 Minutes in Basketball” reached another level, as the Razorbacks led the SEC in five different statistical categories, including scoring (77.4), assists (16.1) and turnover margin (+3.8). The Arkansas faithful witnessed the benefits of the coach Nolan Richardson-era style of play that Anderson teaches as the Razorbacks led the SEC in scoring (80.1), assists (15.3), steals (8.4) and turnover margin (+5.5), figures that all ranked in the top 30 in the nation. Individual development was also critical to Arkansas’ improvement in 2013-14 as Bobby Portis became the sixth freshman in program history to earn All-SEC honors, snagging a spot on the All-SEC second team, SEC All-Freshman squad and USBWA All-District VII team. Anderson’s ability to change the direction of programs is nothing new. He inherited a program at Missouri that had been sub-.500 for two consecutive years and within three seasons, Anderson rejuvenated the program and had the Tigers dancing toward the Sweet 16. He guided Missouri to an overall record of 111-56 (.665) in five years with 13 wins over ranked opponents, four NCAA Tournament victories and a 75-13 mark at home. Adapting his style of play from his mentor and Hall of Fame coach, Nolan Richardson, Anderson’s teams are known for playing “The Fastest 40 Minutes in Basketball.” His up-tempo style and tough defense allowed Missouri to make the biggest turnaround in college basketball during the 2008-09 season, when the Tigers went from 16-16 in Anderson’s second season to 31-7 a year later. The turnaround of the Missouri program was not lost on the national analysts as he was named the National Association of Basketball Coaches (NABC) National Coach of the Year and the Clair Bee Coach of the Year in 2009 after he led the Tigers to the Big 12 Tournament championship and NCAA Tournament Elite Eight. Anderson’s “The Fastest 40 Minutes in Basketball” has resulted in his team’s ranking among the nation’s elite in multiple statistical categories, while compiling some staggering numbers that have resulted in opponents fearing the up-tempo style of play. Anderson’s clubs have led the nation in steals four times and have been in the top 10 in steals nine of 15 years, while finishing in the top 30 in scoring eight times. Since 2002-03, Anderson’s teams have accounted for five of the 28 team totals around the country of 350-plus steals in a season, while he has won the turnover battle in 382 of 464 career games. The influence of “The Fastest 40 Minutes in Basketball” has been obvious in Anderson’s return to Fayetteville as the Razorbacks finished in the top 10 in turnover margin and top 20 in steals during each of the last three seasons. Last season, Arkansas ranked in the top 25 nationally in assist/turnover ratio (18th), turnover margin (17th) and blocked shots per game (22nd). Anderson led Missouri to the NCAA Tournament during each of his final three years with the program. His 2008-09 squad marched all the way to the Elite Eight, defeating nationally-ranked Marquette and Memphis, before falling to Connecticut. He returned the Tigers to the postseason in 2009-10, leading Mizzou to the second round of the tournament and completed the trifecta with a second round exit in 2010-11. Missouri’s success was due in large part to Anderson and his coaching staff, who searched for the best talent available to fill the needs of “The Fastest 40 Minutes in Basketball.” That search led to back-to-back Big 12 Newcomers of the Year, Missouri’s first Big 12 Defensive Player of the Year and Sixth Man of the Year and multiple All-Big 12 honors. Missouri’s 2010 recruiting class was the best in the Big 12 and ranked in the top 10 in the nation by every recruiting service. http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/coache/mike-anderson/

Fred Hoiberg - Chicago Bulls Born in Lincoln, NE Write-up about Hoiberg while he was coaching Iowa St: Iowa State was a No. 3 seed in the NCAA tournament a year ago and reached the Sweet Sixteen, where the Cyclones lost to eventual champion UCONN. Iowa State scored 83.0 points per game to make them the fifth most prolific scoring team in the country. Fred Hoiberg, head coach and a native son, will take his chances with his smaller lineups. His 91 wins in his first four years are the most of any Cyclone coach ever. SB Nation’s Ricky O’Donnell writes: Hoiberg's system is simple: open up the floor by playing five shooters and push the ball at every opportunity. The Cyclones rank No. 13 in adjusted tempo this season, per Ken Pomeroy. They aren't jacking as many threes as last year's team, but every starter is a threat from the outside. Sag off any Cyclones player and you're liable to give up three points. That includes center Dustin Hogue. The Cyclones had the seventh strongest schedule in 2014 and was sixth-highest adjusted offense (118.4). They were also a top-10 team in adjusted offense in 2013 (116.6). Playing in the same conference as Baylor and Kansas, among others, makes Iowa State's accomplishments that much more impressive. http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2235045-ranking-the-10-best-offensive-minds-in-college-basketball/page/8

I would like to see the rotation look something like this: 1- Watson 2- Webster 3- Roby or Horne 4- Morrow 5- Tshimanga 6th man: Roby or Horne Also in rotation: Jacobson, Gill, Taylor

Yeah, I think the rotation should look like: 1- Watson 2- Webster 3- Roby or Horne 4- Morrow 5- Tshimanga 6th man: Roby or Horne Also in rotation: Jacobson, Gill, Taylor

That's exactly my point. Izzo has earned the benefit of the doubt with years and years of quality play in which every single season ends in at least an NCAA Tournament appearance. When Izzo loses a game like Northeastern (when MSU is missing multiple players), it is an anomaly within a season that ends in 25-30 wins, NCAA Tournament appearances, potential Big Ten Tournament championships, with Elite 8, Final 4, and National Championships sprinkled in. When Miles loses games like that, he hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt, because it has become an annual occurrence. It's not an anomaly. He is potentially on his way to a 3rd consecutive sub-.500 season. And a 4th in 5 seasons. Very different.