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I understand the point. I just don't think it is fair. And again...that's from an overall viewpoint, not just this Husker specific team. If you take what is arguably the best player off of most teams for 1/3 of the season, they are all likely to suffer. And in this case where the difference between post season and non can be as little as 2-3 games...that loss can have impact. You can say this about virtually every team. There are 20-30 teams every year in this same boat. If we are going to be legitimately good, it will be because we have more than just Copeland. But his absence for 33% of the season can make or break the difference. If he's as good as advertised, he can elevate other player's games as well.

I'm not complaining about taking him...but having him for 2/3 a season may very well not end up being a net gain this year. Agree Jacobson was a role guy. I think Morrow, provided good health, was a well above average player and could have been a strong contributor on quality teams.

Maybe. I think each had concerns about fit here. I think the potential impact of becoming reserves/bench players/playing out of position coupled with that fit only aggravated each situation

Not sure that is fair. The difference in making the NIT or not, could just be 2-3 games. The difference in making the NCAA as opposed to the NIT could also just be a game or two. I think it's fair to say that most 'expect' that Copeland will be one of the top 2 players on the team. If that is the case, losing one of your top players can definitely impact a couple games. And this doesn't apply to simply NU. All bubble teams, would struggle if they lost their best player for 1/3 of the season.

While true. However....did us playing the lottery on Copeland, cost us in other facets. Did Copeland's presence, or potential presence, impact the decisions of Morrow and/or Jacobson in their leaving? Then we have to ask, if we are missing Copeland for the first 1/3 of the year, are their games mixed in there that would've/could've been won with Morrow or Jacobson?

That one guy is also arguably our most talented and certainly most highly touted player. He's also the reason that many on here poo poo'd the departures of Morrow and Jacobson. Coupled with the fact that you have a thin roster and inexperienced from the scope of playing together, you'd want to have him logging minutes as much as possible before Big 10 play starts. Considering the fact that we've won more than 7 conference games only once in Miles tenure, also don't think it's entirely a good idea to have to expect to compensate/make up for the non con with Big 10 wins in order to achieve our goals. I do agree with you in the sense that we shouldn't be feeling oppressed or screwed in him losing eligibility. We rolled the dice and lost (if the news turns out to be true). But that doesn't change the fact that on the surface, it is a major knock to achieving an NCAA bid.

Not good if true

We'll know if they are for sure once we find out when Copeland's first game is.

That's as favorable a conference schedule as one could realistically get IMO.

McIntosh, Watson, Mason, Carr, Bohannon TBD: Simmons Mathias isn't a point.

Also true

You'd take the 4*. But there are a few variables here that complicate that. Do we know for sure that we land that 4*? Plus there's going to be more than one spot available for a front court player.

They are a bottom 3. But we got the other two in that group. And Penn State/Wisconsin won't be much in front we very well may have only one top 6 team there. Can't ask for more than that IMO

Stars would be aligning with that

Seems like its been said the last few years but it's been 20 years since we had a team with this type of talent from top to bottom on it.

Our defense last year contradicts this.

Red but aa others have mentioned, pretty even

You really believe that's what I'm saying?

White average 26 points a game as a junior. Petteway was a freshman at a power five conference school, those situations where a little bit different. I'm not saying guys can't take a step up. It happens all the time. But it's usually guys who excel, not marginal contributors. You don't generally see guys who are benchwarmers move up a level and all of a sudden become superstars. And Duby was a fourth-year Junior last year

I don't think there is a lot about Duby we don't know. We aren't talking about a freshmen here. We're talking about a 4th year junior. I suppose it's not impossible that he all of a sudden overnight resembles a skilled offensive player. I also suppose it's also not impossible Charlotte McKinney and Lindsey Pelas will show up on my doorstep tonight. Point being....neither are realistic or likely. And while I will give you he is athletic, and can have a role on the team, you are still talking about a jump from the Big South to the Big Ten. Role players on Big South teams don't all of a sudden breakout by moving to the Big 10. And while I was pleased with Taylor's contributions last year, let's also not paint a picture that he was anything more than an average Big 10 player fitting a role (with some help from a Gill injury). I think Duby's size and athleticsm give him a role. I do. Don't take this as taking that away from him. But I don't believe tiger's change their stripes. This isn't a kid who is transferring after his freshman year because of an odd fit. This is more of a finish product. You have 4 years of criteria here, not one or even two. He was a role player in the Big South. I think it's a bit foolish and naïve to realistically expect he would be anything above that by stepping up several levels in competition. IMO, he is who he is. A role guy. Jordy has the potential to be so much more than that. Which is why I say, it's not a good thing if he is starting over Jordy.

I'd be disappointed. Just not likely that Duby all of a sudden becomes a guy with skill and scoring potential. Jordy showed enough potential that we dismissed the departures of Ed and Jacobson. He's been labeled by some as the next big (pun not intended) thing in the Big 10. Jordy, Jacobson and Ed were all more productive as freshmen and sophomores against Big 10 teams than Duby was as a 4th year player at Winthrop. And I don't buy the style of play angle either. Duby was a nice pickup in the sense we had open scholies and needed 5 fouls behind Jordy. I suppose it's possible that he all of a sudden becomes a different player. It's also possible I win the lottery this weekend. I'm not counting on either happening. If Duby is playing over Jordy...it's likely that something bad happened.

I can see Copeland going to the 5 in situational lineups. Not full time though. I don't see anyway that Jordy doesn't start either. If Duby beats him out, my hopes/expectations for Jordy go down dramatically. The questions are how the 2/3/4 positons shake out. And that's both somewhat intriguing and somewhat concerning as well because there are a lot of different ways they could shake out.

I think this is the lineup we all want to see and offers the most upside. knowing our luck and past it's more than likely though that Taylor or McVeigh is going to take a spot

Agreed. I think Miles job will ride on it. With Copeland immediately eligibile, I think we can be at worst, an NIT team. And I think that is a must. Without Copeland...I can see an extra 2-3 non-con losses and which will change that and the outlook of the program.