Omaha415

Be honest and just admit the sour grapes, it would make you look less foolish. Some players don't translate to the NBA as well as others - it doesn't invalidate their success in college. Look at the list of POYs in the last 20 years: 2022 Oscar Tshiebwe Kentucky 2021 Luka Garza Iowa 2020 Obi Toppin Dayton 2019 Zion Williamson Duke 2018 Jalen Brunson Villanova 2017 Frank Mason III Kansas 2016 Buddy Hield Oklahoma 2015 Frank Kaminsky III Wisconsin 2014 Doug McDermott Creighton 2013 Trey Burke Michigan 2012 Anthony Davis Kentucky 2011 Jimmer Fredette BYU 2010 Evan Turner Ohio State 2009 Blake Griffin Oklahoma 2008 Tyler Hansbrough North Carolina 2007 Kevin Durant Texas 2006 J.J. Redick Duke 2005 Andrew Bogut Utah 2004 Jameer Nelson Saint Joseph's 2003 T.J. Ford Texas 2002 Jay Williams Duke Durant, AD, and Blake Griffin are probably the only ones you could categorize as "superstars" out of the whole list. A handful of guys with solid careers as journeymen similar to McDermott. And a handful of guys doing far less. What have Kaminsky, Jimmer, or Frank Mason really done? Zion can't get his his fat ass healthy and off the bench. While it's early for Garza, he isn't exactly lighting the world on fire. You can go back even further - Christian Laettner might be the best (or at least most decorated) player in CBB history. Had a very average career bouncing around from team to team. Just because most of these guys haven't had the NBA career that YOU expected doesn't mean they weren't all outstanding players in college. McDermott also had the albatross of being coached by Hoiberg around his neck for a few years. I'm sure that set his development back.

What has Davison done to earn it? The optics of promoting a guy with almost zero experience would be awful. He only has the job he has now because he's best friends with Frost. If he becomes AD it's a gross example of nepotism. Plus, what an enormous burden and conflict of interest if he has to fire his friend or choose not to renew/extend his contract. Trev may not be a bad option, but there is still a bit of a stink he carries for the way he handled the murder of Omaha's football and wrestling programs.

Ok, LSU and Will Wade. North Carolina. Pick any number of examples. I just threw out Kansas because they are "accused" of recruiting violations and have been in the news recently. https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/it-may-not-have-been-intentional-but-kansas-giving-bill-self-a-lifetime-contract-sends-a-message-to-ncaa/. Maybe it's semantics, but Kansas has been charged with five Level I violations. There has been no ruling or determination yet. So you are correct, nothing proven; the same way there is nothing proven that Creighton offered Bowen's dad any money. That's not stopping others here from treating it as fact. I know reading comprehension is hard for some, or perhaps my ability to articulate my thoughts is awful, but I didn't say CU was "innocent." The main thrust of my statement was that while they are being punished, the violation in question was sort of comical and and not "cheating," per se. If you read the topic of this thread, it was accusing Creighton of cheating. However, I concede that my POV is somewhat narrow - I'm defining cheating as competitive advantage, you are defining it as violation of a written rule or bylaw. Not worth unpacking whether or not the NCAA's rules are all logical. The same way that it was comical how the Nebraska football team was in violation of NCAA rules for providing impermissible benefits relating to textbooks several years ago. Both "violations," and "cheating," if judging by the letter of the law but both insignificant in that there is no athletic impact or advantage. The second point I was trying to make was referenced above. Many people are conflating the Preston Murphy situation with the Brian Bowen situation. The former is what CU is being punished for, not the latter. I get the rivalry/hatred aspect of this on a NU message board. I guessed I'm triggered by seeing similar uninformed takes on the cesspool that is Twitter. Nebraska fans are insinuating that Creighton is guilty of recruiting violations in regards to Brian Bowen. Can you prove that? You cannot and to this point the NCAA has not or else they would. Thank you very much for the advice as to which lane to pick though. I'll pick the lane in which I stay consistent in my outrage.

Mavjaysker. I'm a UN-Omaha grad that just happens to follow all teams and lurk on all message boards. I don't have a lot of posts on any of them. I think most of my single-digit posts here were about some of the ridiculous takes a few people had about Hunter Sallis. Not trying to stir up trouble, but sometimes I feel compelled to post on some things I don't agree with. Do the same on the Creighton board also. Unfortunately, online discussion about the Mavs is pretty non-existent.

Serious question that I'm sure will get me flamed by the fervent Creighton haters - what exactly did they do here that was really cheating? If you want to talk about the alleged offer to Bowen's dad that is a different story if true. But that isn't what they are getting wrist-slapped for to my understanding. Seems like some folks haven't really read more than the headlines and are calling for post-season bans for something so comical it's straight out of a sitcom. From what I gather, their asst. coach pretended to take $6000 from an agent to steer (fictional) CU players to this agent. The agent happened to be his childhood friend I guess, and he did it to make this guy seem like a legitimate player in the industry. Then the asst. coach gave the money back. Asst. told McDermott, McDermott told the AD, and the AD sat on it. Seems like an idiotic prank in poor taste considering the reputation risk associated with this decision...but nothing that gives them any sort of competitive advantage or could be construed as "cheating." The biggest infraction IMO was their AD not notifying the compliance dept. I'm sure that's what pissed off the NCAA and led to this. The NCAA is the one of the most hypocritical institution institutions in athletics. Jerry Tarkanian once said "the NCAA is so mad at Kentucky they're going to give Cleveland State another year of probation." Creighton isn't exactly the little guy anymore, but this comes off as flexing by the NCAA after they got shut down the the Supreme Court. And they need to pin something on someone because they haven't exactly gone after more serious offenses from bluebloods like Kansas -- they know where their bread is buttered.

The depth is going to be the biggest factor that could lead to success later in the year. Depth was not good in previous seasons.

I think they'll be fine. I don't think the PG issue will be a problem with how they play kind of position-less small-ball. Alexander was a PG in high school I believe, and played backup PG his freshman year. Played off the ball the rest of his career. I think one of the guards is a true PG, and the guy they just picked up last week is more of combo/scorer. The Euro players should think twice about going to Omaha if they want intact ACLs, but otherwise a good recruiting haul. Kind of like kids putting a lot of faith in coach with no track record of success at a high level or the ability to manage a program, that won't get them to a winning record or let them see the field until they are upper-classmen. Sorry, I should not put my opinions on football here but I couldn't help it...

Agreed. I just don't subscribe to the notion that NU was wronged in any way by this announcement. When its stated by someone that there is "no way" that anyone outside a "top 6-8" has a chance, why does that same person take it as an affront that NU wasn't 12? Or even more laughable... Why not make it a "top 13?" If you aren't in the group that's being seriously considered, does it even matter whether you are 12, 13, or 35? It's not like this was a Josh Freeman situation... The consternation over not making a top 12 list is stupid.. Wait...we wanted a pat on the head to feel like we were special? It just comes off a sour grapes for no reason.

Fair enough. I guess it depends on your point of view I suppose. I think the five you listed are probably the final five; in that order maybe too. Maybe Creighton in front of Kentucky, since Kentucky came in late and will have a bunch of other five stars. Could also be that he listed other schools because he's built good relationship with the coaches like Pearl, Altman, Oats, etc. Could there be subtext there that Hoiberg and staff never built a great relationship? Sure. Do I think it was a purposeful middle finger to Nebraska? No. I think you're seeing shadows that aren't there. Why is it a slap in the face to not include Nebraska? Is it a prerequisite that if you are from the home state you have to include that school? he has a little to no ties to the University that I'm aware of so he owes us nothing.

I don't understand this mentality at all. It was pretty much universally agreed that there was a very slim chance he was ever going to stay in state. You yourself say he was never going to come here. So you're upset that Nebraska didn't get a participation trophy by making a top 12 that doesn't really matter? We are manufacturing "snubs" now to make ourselves feel better? Did you ever think he was "taking the high road" by saying all the right things in the media about Nebraska to keep that relationship cordial? Maybe you could argue that he was stringing us along when we had no chance...but based on the reaction from this, can you imagine how everyone would be killing him on social media if he had come out and said that directly weeks/months ago?

Agreed. Anyone annoyed by them doing their job should examine how the Nebraska media was essentially stalking Frost prior to his hiring. Pretty sure there were with OWH or LJS (or both) reporters in Orlando.