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NU 75 Maine 56 *Non-Con: 7 *Overall: 13 *Assuming Walker returns

Cj didn’t have an entire season of being worthless under his belt

Tominaga is worthless

Even just Scheierman and things are pretty different.

This has been my wish and thoughts dating back to the Collier days. We don't need 7-footers. We need Copelands and Robys. It's not a surprise that our best record since the Nee era came with the most explosive and versatile frontcourt. Give me long lean athletic guys who can explode over the 7-foot plodders.

IMO they fired Frost for the reasons Alberts said. It was early enough to attempt to salvage the season. Making a bowl game with this schedule and our roster is not a specifically difficult feat. Despite Frost's inability to get us to a bowl game, getting to a bowl is a very very minor accomplishment. So I don't think that alone is going to hitch Mickey to this job. Especially considering our schedule this year. We seem to praise Mickey for simply not sucking. I think he's done a decent job overall, but I don't think he's walking on water. I think people just underestimate how bad Frost was. I think Trev was also being strategic and knew that the Georgia Southern game was the final gut punch to everyone. He struck while the iron was hot. Politically, after that game, he had virtually everyone on his side. The last thing he wants is for Scott to pull off some random wins over mediocre opponents to earn back a little support. Additionally, CFB and CBB are different animals. There's more to gain in getting a jump on things in CFB than there is in CBB. Strategically and structurally, it makes far more sense to rip the band aid off when Trev did, rather than wait until the end of the year. That doesn't apply as much in CBB. Even if this season starts off poorly and seems destined to the same end the last 3 have. I don't see Fred getting fired until the day after the B10 tourney. There's just not the same value there and Fred has at least acted in a responsible manner, even if he has failed as a coach. Ultimately, I think there is a sizeable difference in the character (or at least assumed character) between the two head coaches. Hoiberg may have gotten a lot wrong in his first 3 years here. Like Frost on the football side. But he hasn't been an arrogant fool who blames everyone else for their issues. Hoiberg didn't try to cancel an OU series. He didn't (at least officially) have us being investigated by the NCAA. He didn't talk trash on/blame his predecessor only to have a much lower winning percentage. Both have embarrassed us performance wise from a win-loss percentage. But really, only one has embarrassed us from a PR standpoint. If Hoiberg has shown a willingness to change and try to adapt, that carries some weight. I don't except Hoiberg to survive this year. But I think there is a world of difference between firing Frost when we did and firing Hoiberg mid-season.

Also agree

Agree.

I’ve seen enough to want Lawrence over Tominaga

If he’s not going to make 3’s…..just stick Dawson at the two and let him use his athletiscm to defend. Tominaga offers nothing.

We miss a dynamic ball handler

Dawson is springy

Lloyd

I don't think it is anything nefarious. Or other legal issue outside of just the AD not complying with the FOIA request. Not complying with the request is the bigger issue for the publications than the issue itself. Cover-up is worse than the crime type deal. And I don't believe either side is in the wrong.

Sone stuff that might not be easily measurable: -Be a ‘tougher’ team. As in better defensively and on the glass. -Show a more sustainable/developmental recruiting plan. -Bud a roster that shows some development for the future and not another total restart. I don’t think Fred can go 10-22 and survive. I also don’t think he has to finish above .500. I can see him coming back with a 15-17 type record if some other intangibles are looking improved.

Trev said 6 wins tonight

And from the recruiting perspective...we're not exactly doing poorly with that list. Wasn't Walker, Wilcher, Wilhelm, Lloyd, Keita and Gary all high 3* or 4* by at least one service?

Agree. How much better is the question.

I’ve seen enough brain dead plays by Trey to make me feel just fine about a guy who scored more points per game on a better team. and at the very least him at full speed for a year is an improvement over what we got from Trey last year.

I think it's better. Tominaga, Wilcher, Walker, McPherson, Oleg, Wilhelm are all older. That will make them better. How much so...up for debate. Gray > Lat SMU > Trey Griesel = Verge (Griesel is better in some areas, Verge better in others) Lloyd < Bryce Keita > Andre Lawrence < Webster Dawson > Edwards (Admittedly unkown...but it's hard to be worse)

I don't think it is. We may not have the proven scorer from a P5 school (Verge) or the 5* (Bryce) coming in...but top to bottom it is older and better.

I also like the additions are old and have played a lot of basketball. Not a pure talent thing like with an Edwards. And all 3 know how to win/come from winning programs.

Kansas scares me more than Kentucky or Creighton.

Tominaga

It's hard to feel 'good' about our chances considering some of the others on this list. But I think we are a bigger player than most think we are. Several didn't think we'd get Griesel either with some of the schools reaching out to him. Yes, Baylor is a notch above him...but I think there's some value to what we offer.