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Section 216
 
Session 2
 
GBR!!

100% Norm on Sam.  I was telling my friend at the game exactly what you said.  Sam "gets it" He knows when to push, when not to push, etc.  There were times last night where we would get up 14-16 points, get a defensive rebound and he would simply take his time to bring the ball up, get us into our offense and hopefully get a good look.  Also late in the 1st half when UNO was making a mini run, on like 3 straight possessions Sam just simply went at the defender and drew the foul.  He I believe made 5-6 FT's during this stretch as well.  UNO was playing a lot of defense with their hands and he knew this.  So he "forced" the refs almost to make the call.
 
I just love how he has a good feel for the game.  Its only 2 games, but I feel much more comfortable with him running the show than I did the previous PG's under Fred.

Likes, in no particular order:
 
Denim Dawson's defense. Watching him in warm-ups last year I was thinking all this "he dives on the floor for loose balls" was just because they had to try to find something positive to say about someone on the team. This kid has a great motor and great energy. He's a ++ athlete. On the defensive end, he uses that athleticism and motor to make himself really pretty effective even though he's still just learning the college game. He played a big role on the defensive end during our big run in the first half. His offense needs a lot of work, however.
 
Bandoumel's unselfishness. Oh, man. So many times in these two games I've seen him start to do that shake-n-bake stuff where, if his name was Alonzo Verge or Bryce McGowens or Cam Mack, you're thinking to yourself "oh no, he's going to put his head down and try to take it all the way himself, 1 on 5." But then he stops and passes the ball and it's like "I was NOT expecting that." He gets his points when those points are there to be gotten. He really does a good job of letting the game come to him. 
 
Sam Griesel's command. Favorite player of the Hoiberg era? Yeah, quite possibly. He doesn't have the best handles ever for a PG. He's not the best shooter ever. He isn't going to overwhelm you with athleticism. But he's making good decisions. Like all the time. He plays within himself and seems to know just how to take advantage of what the defense is giving him. Witness those several possessions in a row tonight where he drew fouls driving to the basket. Drive after drive. Eventually, the fouls piled up and they had to let him just go. He positions himself for rebounds. He boxes out. He just doesn't hurt you. Like ever.

This is just my $0.02.  The reason for optimism for me is numerous things.
 
Teddy Allen is a player.  Out of boredom the other day I went to YouTube and watched some of his WV highlights.  He dropped 20+ on KSU and OU who were solid teams.  He has a knack for putting the ball in the hoop.  The announcers of the game were calling him "Teddy Buckets"  As long as he can keep his head on straight, I think he will truly flourish in Hoiberg's "freedom" offense.
 
Kobe King. If he's eligible you are talking about a guy with D1 experience that averaged 10.5 PPG in the B10.  That alone gives me hope.  Also the fact he will know what the grind of the B10 is like.  His body is strong enough to handle the B10.  Nothing against Burke, Mack or Green, but none of them exactly had a B10 body.  Mack was able to make up for it with his quickness, but couldn't shoot the outside shot.  With that being said, I do wish Mack would have come back.
 
Webster.  Quick guard that knows how to score.  And he was doing that on a team where they knew he was the "go to guy"  Now, much lesser competition, but he showed he could do it against some good teams and he will have a better roster around him at NU to take that weight off his shoulders.  I think he may be that guy that on certain nights gets extremely hot and we roll with him.
 
Stevenson.  He is my dark horse.  I love Stevenson.  STRONG body which will hold up in the B10.  Confident player, has a lot of swagger and did this in a tough ACC league.  So again, another P5 player that had success.  Moves well without the ball which is huge in Hoiberg's offense.
 
Banton. Smooth operator.  Long, athletic.  Not sure how great of a shooter he is, but with his slashing ability and passing ability could be a very good player for us.  I'm very excited to see him play.  Watching their European tour, I honestly thought he was our best player.
 
Walker is the most "unknown" to me.  Here is what I do know, he also played in a P5 league and has a B10 body.  
 
I know I'm not mentioning every player, but the biggest thing for me is that every player above (outside of maybe Banton to a degree) have B10 bodies.  Fred has referenced this as well.  He like that we will be able to "open up his offense" as he has so many versatile players.  I'm excited to see what year 2 brings.

This was after the Illinois game....
 
      Christopher Heady   @heady_chris   Fred Hoiberg says he's not sure if Cam Mack will play on Thursday or Sunday. "He's feeling a little bit better but he's still pretty run down."

I apologize if this has been brought up.  Robin in his weekly chat deal mentioned there may be news soon of an immediate impact recruit.  Which could then give us a different look on all of the lineup projections for next year.  Will be interested to see the news!

I apologize if this has been brought up.  Robin in his weekly chat deal mentioned there may be news soon of an immediate impact recruit.  Which could then give us a different look on all of the lineup projections for next year.  Will be interested to see the news!

Are you implying that with time players can develop and improve? So in your doom and gloom look into next year, we may want to slow down a bit and see which guys make the same type of jump that a player like Thor has made this year.  Especially the 3 we have practicing all season long that will join the game roster next year. Or the way Palmer greatly improved in his year off?  :)

This.  Last night was a great example of what the team is capable of.  The defensive game plan by Doc was nails!  
 
As I stated in my original post in this thread, if we can just make the "simple" shots we will be in games.  Fred's offense will get them to where they need to be, and Cam will find them. Cam Mack is a STUD.  He does things other guards we have had simply couldn't do.  That back door pass to Thor late in the game was flat out beautiful!
 
Fun game! Always great to beat Iowa!
 
GBR!

Are you implying that with time players can develop and improve? So in your doom and gloom look into next year, we may want to slow down a bit and see which guys make the same type of jump that a player like Thor has made this year.  Especially the 3 we have practicing all season long that will join the game roster next year. Or the way Palmer greatly improved in his year off?  :)

Are you implying that with time players can develop and improve? So in your doom and gloom look into next year, we may want to slow down a bit and see which guys make the same type of jump that a player like Thor has made this year.  Especially the 3 we have practicing all season long that will join the game roster next year. Or the way Palmer greatly improved in his year off?  :)

Are you implying that with time players can develop and improve? So in your doom and gloom look into next year, we may want to slow down a bit and see which guys make the same type of jump that a player like Thor has made this year.  Especially the 3 we have practicing all season long that will join the game roster next year. Or the way Palmer greatly improved in his year off?  :)

Are you implying that with time players can develop and improve? So in your doom and gloom look into next year, we may want to slow down a bit and see which guys make the same type of jump that a player like Thor has made this year.  Especially the 3 we have practicing all season long that will join the game roster next year. Or the way Palmer greatly improved in his year off?  :)

Norm, you mentioned our top roster of Roby, Allen, Palmer, Copeland and Watson.  Which I agree about all of them.
 
You are "concerned" as our sit out transfers numbers weren't great. 
 
You do realize James Palmer Jr. averaged 3.7 points the year before he came to NU correct?
Copeland averaged 5.4 points before he came to NU.
 
Point being.  NOBODY knew Palmer and Copeland would do what they did at NU.  It's easy to sit here and say "Look at how great they were!"  Who's to say that a new system, a year extra of work in their sit out year can't have the same type of affects to Banton, Stevenson, Walker?  Nobody knows for sure.
 
Cam Mack can do some things that Glynn Watson could never do.  I'm not saying right now Cam Mack is better than Watson, but the dude is 13 games into his 1st season of D1 Basketball and already dropped a triple double against a B10 opponent.  And if we can somehow get guys to finish 3's and shots around the rim, Cam Mack may set all kinds of assist records at NU.  If we could make even a decent amount of shots this season Mack would have like 40 more assist already.  Dude finds his guys.
 
Not only that, but this group of 11 brand new players is working on a brand new system.  Hell, I've seen better ball movement and spacing in 13 games then I did in Miles entire tenure (and I'm a big Miles guy).  IF (and its always the million dollar, "if") Hoiberg can get the guys that he needs in our system, we will be ok.  And in this day in age, none of us know how many on this roster will be asked to leave and we all know Hoiberg loves transfers, so we may be leaving spots open for one of the 800 kids that transfer every NCAA season.  
 
No panic here.  At all.

Norm, you mentioned our top roster of Roby, Allen, Palmer, Copeland and Watson.  Which I agree about all of them.
 
You are "concerned" as our sit out transfers numbers weren't great. 
 
You do realize James Palmer Jr. averaged 3.7 points the year before he came to NU correct?
Copeland averaged 5.4 points before he came to NU.
 
Point being.  NOBODY knew Palmer and Copeland would do what they did at NU.  It's easy to sit here and say "Look at how great they were!"  Who's to say that a new system, a year extra of work in their sit out year can't have the same type of affects to Banton, Stevenson, Walker?  Nobody knows for sure.
 
Cam Mack can do some things that Glynn Watson could never do.  I'm not saying right now Cam Mack is better than Watson, but the dude is 13 games into his 1st season of D1 Basketball and already dropped a triple double against a B10 opponent.  And if we can somehow get guys to finish 3's and shots around the rim, Cam Mack may set all kinds of assist records at NU.  If we could make even a decent amount of shots this season Mack would have like 40 more assist already.  Dude finds his guys.
 
Not only that, but this group of 11 brand new players is working on a brand new system.  Hell, I've seen better ball movement and spacing in 13 games then I did in Miles entire tenure (and I'm a big Miles guy).  IF (and its always the million dollar, "if") Hoiberg can get the guys that he needs in our system, we will be ok.  And in this day in age, none of us know how many on this roster will be asked to leave and we all know Hoiberg loves transfers, so we may be leaving spots open for one of the 800 kids that transfer every NCAA season.  
 
No panic here.  At all.

Norm, you mentioned our top roster of Roby, Allen, Palmer, Copeland and Watson.  Which I agree about all of them.
 
You are "concerned" as our sit out transfers numbers weren't great. 
 
You do realize James Palmer Jr. averaged 3.7 points the year before he came to NU correct?
Copeland averaged 5.4 points before he came to NU.
 
Point being.  NOBODY knew Palmer and Copeland would do what they did at NU.  It's easy to sit here and say "Look at how great they were!"  Who's to say that a new system, a year extra of work in their sit out year can't have the same type of affects to Banton, Stevenson, Walker?  Nobody knows for sure.
 
Cam Mack can do some things that Glynn Watson could never do.  I'm not saying right now Cam Mack is better than Watson, but the dude is 13 games into his 1st season of D1 Basketball and already dropped a triple double against a B10 opponent.  And if we can somehow get guys to finish 3's and shots around the rim, Cam Mack may set all kinds of assist records at NU.  If we could make even a decent amount of shots this season Mack would have like 40 more assist already.  Dude finds his guys.
 
Not only that, but this group of 11 brand new players is working on a brand new system.  Hell, I've seen better ball movement and spacing in 13 games then I did in Miles entire tenure (and I'm a big Miles guy).  IF (and its always the million dollar, "if") Hoiberg can get the guys that he needs in our system, we will be ok.  And in this day in age, none of us know how many on this roster will be asked to leave and we all know Hoiberg loves transfers, so we may be leaving spots open for one of the 800 kids that transfer every NCAA season.  
 
No panic here.  At all.

We've asked you to leave before, but it doesn't mean we don't want new posters here at HHC.

We've asked you to leave before, but it doesn't mean we don't want new posters here at HHC.

We've asked you to leave before, but it doesn't mean we don't want new posters here at HHC.

The first time you posted this, I disagreed with it ... but after you posted it again, I completely agree. 
 
Post it a 3rd time in a couple of hours, and you'll probably convince everyone. 

FIRE COACH K

I read somewhere that Wichita is going to be one of the biggest teams in the country.  WSU will be solid this year.  3 starters back from a 22 win team and Marshall can coach!  This was a good PHYSICAL team for our boys to play against.  Great learning/teaching tool for our coaches.

I read somewhere that Wichita is going to be one of the biggest teams in the country.  WSU will be solid this year.  3 starters back from a 22 win team and Marshall can coach!  This was a good PHYSICAL team for our boys to play against.  Great learning/teaching tool for our coaches.

I read somewhere that Wichita is going to be one of the biggest teams in the country.  WSU will be solid this year.  3 starters back from a 22 win team and Marshall can coach!  This was a good PHYSICAL team for our boys to play against.  Great learning/teaching tool for our coaches.

I read somewhere that Wichita is going to be one of the biggest teams in the country.  WSU will be solid this year.  3 starters back from a 22 win team and Marshall can coach!  This was a good PHYSICAL team for our boys to play against.  Great learning/teaching tool for our coaches.