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Exactly! No more "this is the Japanese Steph Curry" or "that guy was a 5 star before he reclassified" or "he made 89 of 100 3s in practice." I was that guy. Not anymore.

Exactly! No more "this is the Japanese Steph Curry" or "that guy was a 5 star before he reclassified" or "he made 89 of 100 3s in practice." I was that guy. Not anymore.

I think it is everything.
 
Keeping Fred is as much about what benefits Nebraska the most as it is Fred.   As I've been saying...worst case scenario...he fails and we fire him next year.   Well...Trev just saved us over $8M if that's what we have to do by lowering the buyout and waiting until next year.   He's also adding players, that at least on paper, are very talented.   If we fire Fred next year...we have more money to spend, will hopefully not have the pending angst of the football situation hanging over our head and the new coach will have 8-9 guys he can try to retain as opposed to 4-5 if he was doing it now.  The best thing for Nebraska is for Fred to get it and have it work.  The next best thing for Nebraska is to make the move next year as opposed to this year.

Sighhhh.  We are turning on our own.  
Most of us on this board are diehard fans.  Most of us have waited forever to be good, to win.  Most of us have an opinion as to how to go about and finally find nirvana.  So healthy disagreement makes this a great place to hang out.
Many of us believe Fred is gone, some believe he deserves at least one more year.  Trev has indicated that winning mattered.   Is Trev even thinking of making a move?  I cannot believe he isn't.  I have heard a few things, but what I have heard solidifies nothing.  But I do know winning, treatment of players, character, money, attendance, program image, plan to improve are some of the ingrdiants that go into the decision soup.  
I will continue to attend games, cheer and try to do my little part to bring home wins.  But I confess, over the last two years I moved from unbridled optimism, to hope, to be dumbfounded, then to anger and now I am at, or close to apathy.  I sort of classify myself as a super-fan.  It leaves me really concerned about our rank-and-file and wagon jumping fans.  They are pretty much gonzo.

If Fred stays, I don't think it flips as much as some think. I legitimately have no idea what Trev's going to do and I'm not going to make an argument one way or the other. If this incoming class fits together better and he can find a pg in the portal, you should know whether or not it'll be worth staying the course by the end of next season. 
 
I am intrigued by what is in that class and would like to see them play here, but if Trev thinks Fred's not the guy, that shouldn't factor into his decision. 

And this is exactly why this is such an easy decision for me. I have absolutely no interest whatsoever in ever watching one more game of plodding, grind down the shot clock, boring basketball. The Barry Collier and Doc Sadler eras are periods of time I don't ever want to return to.
 
In addition, the best players don't want to play like that. If talent is needed to compete in the Big 10 then Nebraska should play a brand of basketball the best recruits want to play. 
 
Arguably the most successful coach in Nebraska history, Danny Nee, has four pretty atrocious seasons until he turned it around dramatically in year 5. A majority of the fan base was calling for his head after year 4. 
 
Year 1 of Fred was, for me, a throw-away year. He had little time to recruit and none of those players were able to stick. 
 
So, basically, Fred has had 2 seasons. I'm sorry, but that's just not enough. I saw a significant jump in talent last season and another modest bump in talent this season. Yes, it hasn't yet shown up in wins and losses, but the talent is improving. And looking at this recruiting class, I am seeing another bump in talent. 
 
Fred easily gets 5 years for me. And more likely 6-7 years. And I'm pretty confident he will get Nebraska where we want to go if given the freedom to get them there. The last thing he needs is to be micromanaged. 

He 100% would've been guarding Frazier down the stretch, and that could've made a big difference. 
 
 
 
 

No revelations here, but at this point Both the Coaching and Team seem "Rudderless."   One doesn't see anyone "stepping-up" in a 'Leadership' role, at least in any way we've been used to seeing.   I don't know if COVID has had anything to do with it or not, but after Covid (year two) things have certainly changed for the worse (even after year one roster rebuild).  
 
So much has happened that, despite a lot of conjecture, is not well-explained.  For example; Fred contracting Covid  (along with his known heart condition).  Doc, not traveling with the team, and ostensibly giving up his coaching responsibilities, and Coaching turnover (Lutz, etc.).  Then we have Matt A taking an unexplained "Leave of Absence;" now reportedly back on the coach's bench during games.   And then there were the rumors of unreported NCAA "Violations," that ultimately amounted to nothing and have gone away.
 
Other than conjecture, I'm not sure anyone knows for sure what is really going on within the program; for example, just who is responsible for what.
 
I do know that things will have to change, exactly how I have no idea, but that is what Fred , along with Trev Alberts will have to sort out.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Fred is the only Nebraska coach who has ever had NCAA success (tournament wins) while coaching in a power 5 conference.   In fact, he may the only coach in NU history that won a NCAA tourney game (is this right?), including before, during or after coaching at NU.  My memory may be off,  but I am pretty sure that neither Doc nor Collier ever won a single NCAA tourney game while coaching UTEP and Butler (both non power 5 schools BTW).   Hoiberg coached at ISU for 5 seasons and went to the NCAA tourney 4 straight years, winning 4 NCAA tourney games (tied all time for most by ISU coaches).  From Huskers.com:
 
Hoiberg led a resurgence at his alma mater, leaving a lasting legacy in five seasons. He guided Iowa State to a 115-56 record – including a 99-40 mark in his final four seasons – to post the top winning percentage (.673) in Cyclone history. Hoiberg led Iowa State to a program-record four consecutive NCAA Tournament appearances, while tying the school record with four NCAA Tournament coaching victories. Hoiberg also posted the top conference winning percentage (.557) in ISU history and guided Iowa State to back-to-back Big 12 Tournament titles in 2014 and 2015.   His 115 wins were the most by any coach in a five-year span in Iowa State history. 

After a 16-16 debut season, Hoiberg led the Cyclones to a 23-11 record and the third round of the 2012 NCAA Tournament. ISU went 12-6 in Big 12 play in Hoiberg’s second season, winning nine more conference games than the previous season to post the biggest one-year turnaround in Big 12 history. Hoiberg was named the Big 12 Co-Coach of the Year for his efforts.

Hoiberg guided the Cyclones to another 23-win season in his third year, when Iowa State advanced to the third round of the NCAA Tournament for the second straight year. In his fourth season, the Cyclones finished 28-8, won the 2014 Big 12 Tournament and advanced to the Sweet 16. In Hoiberg’s final season, Iowa State defended its Big 12 Tournament title and earned a No. 3 seed for the NCAA Tournament.

I have been going to games for 45 years and yes, these past 3 years have been rough.  And this year has been brutal.  But get a grip!  I said this when Fred was hired and I will keep saying it--If Fred can't get it done here, NOBODY can!  At least nobody that would ever be stupid enough to come coach at this moribund coach-killer program. 
 
I said in February of last year that Fred needed to bring in some additional "recruiters" as assistant coaches.  I said this because I did not believe the players he was bringing in for this season were of sufficient quality to win in the B1G.  I took a ton of crap for it at the time, but it was clear to me then and now it is clear that Fred has been too reliant on Matt A. for all the recruiting.  Fred needs to become more personally involved in the scouting and evaluation of recruits, and he needs to get in one or two more ace recruiters to supplement the recruiting efforts. 
 
Fred should have 5 years minimum.  And I personally would give him 7 years minimum.  Call me crazy.  But even with as bad as things are now, I will roll the dice with Fred at the helm over any unknown coach that would follow him.  No proven coach is going to come here, especially not after a very well respected coach like Fred gets fired after just 3 years.
 
 

He's like opposite of Adrian Martinez for me, haha. I had grown tired of watching him and was ready for a fresh start. Derrick Walker can play here every year for the rest of his life as far as I am concerned. 

I don't have answers to those questions.
 
I just came here to say that I have enjoyed watching this team a lot more since they started running actual plays.

Well, no.  Wilcher is a career 72% FT shooter and I didn't list him either.  Of the 5 guys that were on the court, Wilcher and Lat would be my last choices to pick to go to the line because they don't shoot many FTs nor do they strike me as guys with the mentality to go to the line and win it. The first thing Nick Bahe brought up when Lat went to the line was the lack of FTs Lat had shot this year because he knows it's relevant in this situation. 
 
But once again, THE argument for Lat to not be on the court was ball handling ability, not FT shooting.  If the decision was solely based on a spreadsheet of FT%, ball-handling and 76% FT shooting Alonzo Verge was on the bench available to go in for anyone besides Kobe.
 
Honestly, how hard is it to concede or even fathom that people on this board can see in a moment when a coach who's won about 2 close games in 3 years is making a move they think is wrong?

We've seen how much heart and effort Trey plays with. Both his parents are coaches. To me this is an intervention, not a hit party.  Somewhere in there is a guy that can give effort on both ends of the floor even if his own coaches might not be demanding it.

Unbelievably poor awareness and effort.   

The first clip began at 18:44 in the second half. The second was at 13:39 in the second half.  

Unfair to imply AV hadn't bought into team concept; unfair to suggest we expected him to be Bob Cousy.
 
Listen, you remember in the open scrimmage when he tried to do the ol' shake-n-bake on Keisei? And Keisei stayed in front of him, Verge misses the shot, it goes to the other end and Keisei nails a trey? We didn't see that Alonzo Verge much last night, but we saw an awful lot of that Alonzo Verge in the many losses we've had before last night.
 
I don't have a problem when Verge has an open lane and explodes to the rim, even if it's in the first few seconds of a possession and there hasn't been any ball rotation. I mean, if it's there it's there. But what I have a problem with is when it's not there and he goes all Curly Neal trying to dribble the Washington Generals into submission before doing some circus shot at the backboard, which sometimes goes in and sometimes does not.
 
There were only a couple of times last night where I felt Alonzo forced a drive. There were a few other times where he exploded to the rim early in the shot clock and had an easy make because it was there.
 
Having him recognize when it's there and taking it versus when it's not and getting his teammates involved is a HUGE improvement and a significant development IMO.
 
I'm going to give him props for last night because he got his teammates involved and, as a result, guys were getting rhythm shots and, as a further result, they were making them.

Too many silly mistakes by Verge.  He made it up for it with nice passing.  I felt like Hummel said, that Bryce's effort on the defensive end was better late in the 1st half.  The problem is he is not fundamentally sound on that end. He plays too upright.  This will lead to too many blow by's  My biggest worry with him is he had 2 awful 27 foot 3 pointers that went in.  Kind of scares me.
 
The biggest question I have is was Fred's pulling of players because we were playing Kennesaw State or do we continue sitting players when they take poor shots during the Big 10 season.  I really hope continues until they have the message driven into their heads.

Generally speaking, I am a glass half-full type of guy. I usually do not comment on the day of a loss, but...here goes. I simply can't believe that a guy with Hoiberg's college coaching track record would put together a group of guys who have such low basketball IQs. The way it's going right now, I can't fathom a scenario where this group of guys will ever gel into a team that can be competitive against legit competition. We have nobody - absolutely nobody - who is good at guarding the basketball on the perimeter. We let guys into the paint with little to no resistance. 
 
Offensively, we have only 2 guys who can generate their own shots, Bryce and Verge. Neither of them know how to do so within the flow of the offense. Both of them are on the lower end of the basketball IQ. Neither of them seem to understand game situations. Most of the time Bryce will not move without the ball, and his effort on D is subpar. He stands straight up - never stays in his stance.
 
On teams with better components, CJ and Tominaga may be good role players and could conceivably knock down shots. Neither of them can defend their position against good athletes. Both of them try, but CJ looks like he has lead in his feet. He cuts well without the ball, but most of the time, we don't run cutters. We have 3 guys just standing in one spot.
 
Lat just can't get it done. He will turn it over 90% of the time he dribbles more than 3 times. If he doesn't make shots, there is no reason to have him on the floor. Walker would be a good glue guy on a better roster. The potential we saw in Andre is long gone. He is clearly frustrated and I don't know if he can recover. I don't know why Edwards doesn't get more chances. He is big and athletic. He can't be worse than Lat and has to be able to guard better than CJ. 
 
All this to say is how could we could we have missed so badly in assembling this roster? When we were recruiting, did we do any analysis on whether these guys could defend? Or whether they had enough heart to rebound and accept (or fit for that matter) into a role on this team? At this point in time, I can't name more than maybe 3 guys I would want to have back next year. I really don't want to make wholesale changes again. It is not a way to build a program. But right now, I don't see this roster being successful. 
 
My hope is that something clicks and things will change. I realize they are 18-22 year-olds. I will never stop rooting for them and hoping for the best.  Right now, I just don't see how this improves. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Been to all the games, planning to go to all the other games
 

Generally speaking, I am a glass half-full type of guy. I usually do not comment on the day of a loss, but...here goes. I simply can't believe that a guy with Hoiberg's college coaching track record would put together a group of guys who have such low basketball IQs. The way it's going right now, I can't fathom a scenario where this group of guys will ever gel into a team that can be competitive against legit competition. We have nobody - absolutely nobody - who is good at guarding the basketball on the perimeter. We let guys into the paint with little to no resistance. 
 
Offensively, we have only 2 guys who can generate their own shots, Bryce and Verge. Neither of them know how to do so within the flow of the offense. Both of them are on the lower end of the basketball IQ. Neither of them seem to understand game situations. Most of the time Bryce will not move without the ball, and his effort on D is subpar. He stands straight up - never stays in his stance.
 
On teams with better components, CJ and Tominaga may be good role players and could conceivably knock down shots. Neither of them can defend their position against good athletes. Both of them try, but CJ looks like he has lead in his feet. He cuts well without the ball, but most of the time, we don't run cutters. We have 3 guys just standing in one spot.
 
Lat just can't get it done. He will turn it over 90% of the time he dribbles more than 3 times. If he doesn't make shots, there is no reason to have him on the floor. Walker would be a good glue guy on a better roster. The potential we saw in Andre is long gone. He is clearly frustrated and I don't know if he can recover. I don't know why Edwards doesn't get more chances. He is big and athletic. He can't be worse than Lat and has to be able to guard better than CJ. 
 
All this to say is how could we could we have missed so badly in assembling this roster? When we were recruiting, did we do any analysis on whether these guys could defend? Or whether they had enough heart to rebound and accept (or fit for that matter) into a role on this team? At this point in time, I can't name more than maybe 3 guys I would want to have back next year. I really don't want to make wholesale changes again. It is not a way to build a program. But right now, I don't see this roster being successful. 
 
My hope is that something clicks and things will change. I realize they are 18-22 year-olds. I will never stop rooting for them and hoping for the best.  Right now, I just don't see how this improves. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Generally speaking, I am a glass half-full type of guy. I usually do not comment on the day of a loss, but...here goes. I simply can't believe that a guy with Hoiberg's college coaching track record would put together a group of guys who have such low basketball IQs. The way it's going right now, I can't fathom a scenario where this group of guys will ever gel into a team that can be competitive against legit competition. We have nobody - absolutely nobody - who is good at guarding the basketball on the perimeter. We let guys into the paint with little to no resistance. 
 
Offensively, we have only 2 guys who can generate their own shots, Bryce and Verge. Neither of them know how to do so within the flow of the offense. Both of them are on the lower end of the basketball IQ. Neither of them seem to understand game situations. Most of the time Bryce will not move without the ball, and his effort on D is subpar. He stands straight up - never stays in his stance.
 
On teams with better components, CJ and Tominaga may be good role players and could conceivably knock down shots. Neither of them can defend their position against good athletes. Both of them try, but CJ looks like he has lead in his feet. He cuts well without the ball, but most of the time, we don't run cutters. We have 3 guys just standing in one spot.
 
Lat just can't get it done. He will turn it over 90% of the time he dribbles more than 3 times. If he doesn't make shots, there is no reason to have him on the floor. Walker would be a good glue guy on a better roster. The potential we saw in Andre is long gone. He is clearly frustrated and I don't know if he can recover. I don't know why Edwards doesn't get more chances. He is big and athletic. He can't be worse than Lat and has to be able to guard better than CJ. 
 
All this to say is how could we could we have missed so badly in assembling this roster? When we were recruiting, did we do any analysis on whether these guys could defend? Or whether they had enough heart to rebound and accept (or fit for that matter) into a role on this team? At this point in time, I can't name more than maybe 3 guys I would want to have back next year. I really don't want to make wholesale changes again. It is not a way to build a program. But right now, I don't see this roster being successful. 
 
My hope is that something clicks and things will change. I realize they are 18-22 year-olds. I will never stop rooting for them and hoping for the best.  Right now, I just don't see how this improves. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Generally speaking, I am a glass half-full type of guy. I usually do not comment on the day of a loss, but...here goes. I simply can't believe that a guy with Hoiberg's college coaching track record would put together a group of guys who have such low basketball IQs. The way it's going right now, I can't fathom a scenario where this group of guys will ever gel into a team that can be competitive against legit competition. We have nobody - absolutely nobody - who is good at guarding the basketball on the perimeter. We let guys into the paint with little to no resistance. 
 
Offensively, we have only 2 guys who can generate their own shots, Bryce and Verge. Neither of them know how to do so within the flow of the offense. Both of them are on the lower end of the basketball IQ. Neither of them seem to understand game situations. Most of the time Bryce will not move without the ball, and his effort on D is subpar. He stands straight up - never stays in his stance.
 
On teams with better components, CJ and Tominaga may be good role players and could conceivably knock down shots. Neither of them can defend their position against good athletes. Both of them try, but CJ looks like he has lead in his feet. He cuts well without the ball, but most of the time, we don't run cutters. We have 3 guys just standing in one spot.
 
Lat just can't get it done. He will turn it over 90% of the time he dribbles more than 3 times. If he doesn't make shots, there is no reason to have him on the floor. Walker would be a good glue guy on a better roster. The potential we saw in Andre is long gone. He is clearly frustrated and I don't know if he can recover. I don't know why Edwards doesn't get more chances. He is big and athletic. He can't be worse than Lat and has to be able to guard better than CJ. 
 
All this to say is how could we could we have missed so badly in assembling this roster? When we were recruiting, did we do any analysis on whether these guys could defend? Or whether they had enough heart to rebound and accept (or fit for that matter) into a role on this team? At this point in time, I can't name more than maybe 3 guys I would want to have back next year. I really don't want to make wholesale changes again. It is not a way to build a program. But right now, I don't see this roster being successful. 
 
My hope is that something clicks and things will change. I realize they are 18-22 year-olds. I will never stop rooting for them and hoping for the best.  Right now, I just don't see how this improves. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Generally speaking, I am a glass half-full type of guy. I usually do not comment on the day of a loss, but...here goes. I simply can't believe that a guy with Hoiberg's college coaching track record would put together a group of guys who have such low basketball IQs. The way it's going right now, I can't fathom a scenario where this group of guys will ever gel into a team that can be competitive against legit competition. We have nobody - absolutely nobody - who is good at guarding the basketball on the perimeter. We let guys into the paint with little to no resistance. 
 
Offensively, we have only 2 guys who can generate their own shots, Bryce and Verge. Neither of them know how to do so within the flow of the offense. Both of them are on the lower end of the basketball IQ. Neither of them seem to understand game situations. Most of the time Bryce will not move without the ball, and his effort on D is subpar. He stands straight up - never stays in his stance.
 
On teams with better components, CJ and Tominaga may be good role players and could conceivably knock down shots. Neither of them can defend their position against good athletes. Both of them try, but CJ looks like he has lead in his feet. He cuts well without the ball, but most of the time, we don't run cutters. We have 3 guys just standing in one spot.
 
Lat just can't get it done. He will turn it over 90% of the time he dribbles more than 3 times. If he doesn't make shots, there is no reason to have him on the floor. Walker would be a good glue guy on a better roster. The potential we saw in Andre is long gone. He is clearly frustrated and I don't know if he can recover. I don't know why Edwards doesn't get more chances. He is big and athletic. He can't be worse than Lat and has to be able to guard better than CJ. 
 
All this to say is how could we could we have missed so badly in assembling this roster? When we were recruiting, did we do any analysis on whether these guys could defend? Or whether they had enough heart to rebound and accept (or fit for that matter) into a role on this team? At this point in time, I can't name more than maybe 3 guys I would want to have back next year. I really don't want to make wholesale changes again. It is not a way to build a program. But right now, I don't see this roster being successful. 
 
My hope is that something clicks and things will change. I realize they are 18-22 year-olds. I will never stop rooting for them and hoping for the best.  Right now, I just don't see how this improves. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Generally speaking, I am a glass half-full type of guy. I usually do not comment on the day of a loss, but...here goes. I simply can't believe that a guy with Hoiberg's college coaching track record would put together a group of guys who have such low basketball IQs. The way it's going right now, I can't fathom a scenario where this group of guys will ever gel into a team that can be competitive against legit competition. We have nobody - absolutely nobody - who is good at guarding the basketball on the perimeter. We let guys into the paint with little to no resistance. 
 
Offensively, we have only 2 guys who can generate their own shots, Bryce and Verge. Neither of them know how to do so within the flow of the offense. Both of them are on the lower end of the basketball IQ. Neither of them seem to understand game situations. Most of the time Bryce will not move without the ball, and his effort on D is subpar. He stands straight up - never stays in his stance.
 
On teams with better components, CJ and Tominaga may be good role players and could conceivably knock down shots. Neither of them can defend their position against good athletes. Both of them try, but CJ looks like he has lead in his feet. He cuts well without the ball, but most of the time, we don't run cutters. We have 3 guys just standing in one spot.
 
Lat just can't get it done. He will turn it over 90% of the time he dribbles more than 3 times. If he doesn't make shots, there is no reason to have him on the floor. Walker would be a good glue guy on a better roster. The potential we saw in Andre is long gone. He is clearly frustrated and I don't know if he can recover. I don't know why Edwards doesn't get more chances. He is big and athletic. He can't be worse than Lat and has to be able to guard better than CJ. 
 
All this to say is how could we could we have missed so badly in assembling this roster? When we were recruiting, did we do any analysis on whether these guys could defend? Or whether they had enough heart to rebound and accept (or fit for that matter) into a role on this team? At this point in time, I can't name more than maybe 3 guys I would want to have back next year. I really don't want to make wholesale changes again. It is not a way to build a program. But right now, I don't see this roster being successful. 
 
My hope is that something clicks and things will change. I realize they are 18-22 year-olds. I will never stop rooting for them and hoping for the best.  Right now, I just don't see how this improves.