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There's certainly some merit to this point of view. It certainly could make things worse in the locker room. Maybe the adults could've handled it better.
 
But it also could shine a public light on some things that coaches are choosing to ignore. Maybe having some attention on the frustration of the situation forces coaches to address it and demand change. I don't know that it works, but maybe it's a last ditch effort to salvage something out of this season.
 
Clearly, what they've been doing isn't working, so having some people squirm in their seats a bit could be healthy. There's nothing wrong with tension on a team, as long as the coaches are able to steer it in the right direction.
 

The only one this should be a bad look for is the coaching staff. If there is ever fallout from telling the truth its not the parties involved of telling the truth thats the problem.

From my understanding, it sounds like Kobe and maybe some others have tried to hold each other accountable with it not being reciprocated at the coaching level.  What else can the players do if they’ve tried and aren’t getting any help?

There's scheme. Theres' talent. And then there's the process by which a coach applies his scheme to the talent he has. Those three things. Seems like I've talked about this recently. But you can have any two of those things and still not be successful. You gotta have all three.
 
From the average fan perspective, I've heard Fred's scheme is really good. Top notch. It's hard to say from the results on the floor where the break-down is, but I'll grant for the sake of argument that his Xs and Os strategies are there. Talent? Sure seems like the talent is better than what the results dictate. So, let's just say it appears where things fall apart is in the area of transmitting the scheme through the players onto the floor. And I think that's clearly not happening.
 
I remember watching warmups for the Colorado exhibition thinking I was a bit concerned by all the goofing around. Players did not appear to be taking seriously the task at hand. OK, fine, it's an exhibition, whatever. But they did the same damn thing against Western Illinois. And now it seems like a symptom of a bigger problem.
 
So, I'm reminded of that program "Kitchen Nightmares" with Gordon Ramsey. He goes into dumpster-fire of a restaurant and tries to show them how to fix things. And, when he leaves, it seems like he's gotten most of them straightened out. But if you google the names of these restaurants, you find out they went out of business, most of them, not long after Ramsey was there. Why? Was it because he didn't show them how best to do things or make good improvements?
 
No.
 
It's because the people who were struggling were shitty at what they did and that's why they had problems to begin with. Mostly bad managers. Some just not very good cooks. But the reasons they were struggling tended to be obvious.
 
One of the things that Ramsey used to constantly harp on was standards. You have to set a standard for excellence and then demand that everyone adhere to that standard. You never EVER send out a dish that you know doesn't meet the standard. Get it right. Make sure it's right. Every time. And you'll succeed.
 
I can remember an episode of "Kitchen Nightmares" that ran in the UK. The chef-owner was a Michelin-starred chef (that's a BIG deal) and he was using the highest quality ingredients. But his place was empty. And he couldn't figure out why. This was actually a Ramsey success story because he got them turned around, but the problem this chef had was that he let standards slide. He'd lost the fire in his belly. He was letting dishes go out that weren't up to the standard, and you just can't do that.
 
But that guy was able to fix it. Can Fred?

If there's one thing that Trev is known for around UNO, other than being fiscally responsible within the athletic department, it's that he does not tolerate nonsense inside programs from his coaches. There's a reason certain people were suddenly no longer around the football program this fall.
 
I'm guessing this would fit under the type of nonsense Trev cannot stand. However, I also don't think they want to pay the buyout at this point. So, unless he just steps down, I imagine Fred will get a chance to retool his staff and attempt to weed out the problems. I hope he takes advantage of it.
 
However, as Mr. Barfknect was always fond of saying, booster money to pay buyouts just seems to materialize when it's needed. If attendance continues to plummet and they go 0-for-Jan/Feb/March, who knows? It may be fiscally responsible to pay the buyout, start over, and begin selling hope to season ticket holders again, rather than return to the diehard 4000-5000 from the last days at the Bob.
 
You have to be able to sell hope for the future or winning. Right now, we have neither, and we're a long way from either one. And that's depressing as hell.
 

I have no qualms burning a bridge that leads to nowhere.

Bryce has been a surefire NBA guy since turning like 13. I'm sure bad habits form when no one in AAU and HS ball wants to be the guy to piss off the surefire NBA guy. A college coach should be the one to help break those habits, but it looks like our staff doesn't want to be the ones to do it either. Really a shame for Bryce. 

Agreed. Most people probably think this is all about Verge. I’m sure it is, in part. Lat also. But it seems like some people are walking on egg shells when talking about Bryce and you never hear his teammates talk about him at all. His points help the team, but it’s a wash at best when you factor in the turnovers, poor decisions and lack of effort on defense. 

This is not a new development for Fred
 
 
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/14403996/jimmy-butler-says-chicago-bulls-coached-lot-harder-fred-hoiberg

The "wins" will come during the next seat-yourself process when all those guys who scooped up extra lower-bowl seats during the last seat-yourself process look at their ROI for those seat purchases, see that we're stuck with this horrid team dynamic for at least the forseeable future since we have a buyout like a giant millstone tied around our necks, and decide to dump their extras, and, without a lot of energy or passion among the remaining fans, lower bowl demand reduces to a trickle and NORM FINALLY GETS TO MOVE INTO THE GOOD SEATS. At least that's the story I keep telling myself so I don't cry myself to sleep each night.
 
Oh, and finding free parking should be a breeze.

Maybe it was needed to be said.

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If you’ll recall a guy named Tim Miles said, “you get what you tolerate”…

this is the stuff that gets a fan to just belt out, "fire the lot of them!"
 
trev's going to be severely tested early in his tenure. he survives this series betvveen football and hoops, give the dude a lifetime contract. 
 
what a staggering waste of millions in the facilities arms race. i'm getting like 49er--i'm geting sick to death of sports in general. this crap ain't healthy. 

If this doesn’t get fixed, they truly won’t win another game all year. 

I would like to see someone call in to 93.7 tomorrow morning and ask Sip if he's heard this stuff...and if he's going to write a piece on it.
 
*cough* @Norm Peterson *cough*

And when he says it, he doesn’t come across sounding like he’s doing it to call anybody out. He comes across sounding like he’s trying to be fair but still answer the question honestly. You can tell he’s even trying to downplay some of the problems when he says things like “as soon as we get our personal agendas out of the way it’ll get better“ and things like that.
 
Regardless, it was very disconcerting to listen to that. But it sure does explain a lot!

Good thread, Norm.  Might as well get this stuff out there.  
 
This is pretty obvious watching the games.    Bad culture.   We have enough problems on the basketball front, but this is ridiculous.  And, of course, depressing.  

To have this coming out mid-season.... tells me it's probably worse than even Kobe is letting on.  We're all pissed about how bad what Kobe is saying sounds.... ummm... it's probably 10X worse.

My big concern with Fred early on was he would coach like he was still in the NBA.  Expecting his guys to already know and do the little things right because they are pros.  But these aren’t pros…they are college kids.    And I suspect successful guys like Popovich still worked on fundamentals.  Not shocking to hear but it is disgusting to say the least.  I think this has a ton to do with our problems.  Our culture is trash.  I feel bad for Kobe.

This coming from Kobe of all people gives it more value in my eyes. A guy that took a lesser role to be here, and decided to come back when he didn’t have to. If he says it’s broken, it’s probably broken. He’s not just a guy disappointed he’s not getting his shots and wants to leave. 

@throwback Go listen to the whole hour if you have time, because there's other stuff, too. Lot's of stuff they're not doing.
 
First question was basically do they even care how bad things are going? And Webster basically said, well, yeah, it might not look like it, but as soon as they get over their own personal agendas, things might turn around. Like WTF?
 
But I'm particularly troubled by that last 10 minutes or so.
 
Vershan Jackson gives an illustration of how a conversation between teammates holding each other accountable might go. "I need you to do a better job of boxing out." "Yeah, OK, gotcha." "Because I'm tired of losing." "I got you."
 
And Webster's like, um, that kind of nice back and forth? Yeah, that's not happening with us. And Vershan Jackson mimics players saying like "You're not the boss of me!" And Webster responds, yep, that's pretty much what it is.
 
The culture in this program is deep in the shit. And the head guy, who's getting $3.5 million this year to BE the head guy, needs to pull his head out of his butt and quit tolerating what he's getting.
 
I'm just beside myself here. I ain't that damn old yet, but I ain't getting any younger, and I want to be around when the monkey comes off this program's back. So I'd appreciate a little sense of urgency by the guys who are in charge. I'm just so disgusted RN I don't even know what to say.

That was both shocking to hear out loud and not shocking because we see it on the floor every game. This sucks. 

Disappointing for sure. But certainly not surprising that coaches aren't holding players accountable, seeing what we see on the floor. If coaches were holding players accountable in practice, we wouldn't see the mistakes we're seeing.
 
It's a little better than it was at the start of the season, but if the coaches were grinding, they'd have seen these mistakes in October and earlier, rather than quoting how many 3s we're hitting in shooting "drills". They wouldn't have needed to lose to Western Illinois and get smoked by Michigan and Auburn to figure it out.
 
I am surprised Kobe said it, but I'm not surprised it's happening. A couple coaches looked checked out through the first several games, and the team looked like it spent all summer and fall holding half-assed scrimmages instead of grinding in practice or taking care of the little things that lead to winning. Not holding players accountable in practice fits right in with all of that.
 
This is a league where the coaches and players grind, maybe more than any other league. If we have coaches who aren't interested in that, they should step out of the way and let someone else take a crack at it. Players and fans deserve better.
 

The question, specifically, was who is the player that is holding his teammates accountable. And the answer was nobody.
 
They're not working on the little things and they're not being held accountable for failing to do the little things. And Kobe said he told the coaches that the players can't hold each other accountable if the coaches won't.
 
And it just makes you wonder, if this is the stuff happening on the practice floor, what accountability is there for things away from the practice floor?
 
I listened to this and I was just gobsmacked.
 
It ain't no wonder that ppl like @tcp are saying they don't like this team. Because what you see on the floor on game day is a reflection of who they are being off the floor.
 
There's a place where the buck stops. But it's apparently in Trev Albert's office because it sure doesn't appear to be in Hendricks.

OK, I'll start this off: Nobody is being held accountable for not doing what they're supposed to be doing on the floor. True or not true?