Uneblinstu's post game chatter: vol 6, ed 3 - W. Illinois

 

Pitchford seems to get easily frustrated (although he had reason to with some of the calls tonight) and allows that to take him out of the game a bit mentally.  

 

What does a guy have to do to draw an offensive foul this year?  Even if you thought he flopped at one point they certainly could have not called anything.

 

Basically, they're going to have to do what the defender that drew the charge on Webster.  He had the position before Webster even turned the corner and never left that spot.  That's what it's going to take this year.  The on on Peltz and the one where Pitchford flopped aren't going to get called.  I think the rule reads that the defender has to have position before the ball handler makes his motion towards the shot which happens about a step before he leaves the ground usually.

I feel like Petteway is playing like Talley did last year. He will drop 20 in a game and then 5 the next. But the difference is Talley didn't have the offensive players that Petteway has now. If Petteway lets his game come to him, which is run the offense and get open on cuts, he could be a great player. Or he could not pass the ball, try to do everything by himself and play like he did tonight.

 

Crowd was good and was fairly pleased with the number of students that eventually showed up.  But again I cannot understand why the students fill the sides before anyone goes to the end.  The active students need to be behind the basket not on the sideline.

 

Maybe it's just be, but standing on the side >>> standing behind the basket.

 

Sideline >>>>>>>>> Behind the basket.

 

 

Crowd was good and was fairly pleased with the number of students that eventually showed up.  But again I cannot understand why the students fill the sides before anyone goes to the end.  The active students need to be behind the basket not on the sideline.

 

Maybe it's just be, but standing on the side >>> standing behind the basket.

 

 

Sideline >>>>>>>>> Behind the basket.

 

Agreed

Looked like a lot of non-students people from the 300 level moved down to the section behind the basket where the students weren't.  (Section 112).  My favorite was when one of the students from the sideline came over and yelled at the section, which was about 75% "grown-ups" and high school kids to stand up during a free throw.  Then when everyone stood up for the t-shirt cannon, the same student stood and gave section 112 the middle finger.  Way to keep it classy Red Zone!

Thanks for reports. Burning question not answered though. Was Keebler Elf there?

The good, the bad and the ugly tonight...first a couple of maintenance items. 

- saw HB at the game with a very nice looking gal on his arm...atta boy HB.

 

 

 

Thanks, CWG.  I still have a little game.....Don't tell my wife about this....

Pitchford seems to get easily frustrated (although he had reason to with some of the calls tonight) and allows that to take him out of the game a bit mentally.

What does a guy have to do to draw an offensive foul this year? Even if you thought he flopped at one point they certainly could have not called anything.

Basically, they're going to have to do what the defender that drew the charge on Webster. He had the position before Webster even turned the corner and never left that spot. That's what it's going to take this year. The on on Peltz and the one where Pitchford flopped aren't going to get called. I think the rule reads that the defender has to have position before the ball handler makes his motion towards the shot which happens about a step before he leaves the ground usually.

Looked like a lot of non-students people from the 300 level moved down to the section behind the basket where the students weren't.  (Section 112).  My favorite was when one of the students from the sideline came over and yelled at the section, which was about 75% "grown-ups" and high school kids to stand up during a free throw.  Then when everyone stood up for the t-shirt cannon, the same student stood and gave section 112 the middle finger.  Way to keep it classy Red Zone!

While the finger at the end was uncalled for, that student should be commended for yelling at section 112.

 

 

 

Pitchford seems to get easily frustrated (although he had reason to with some of the calls tonight) and allows that to take him out of the game a bit mentally.

What does a guy have to do to draw an offensive foul this year? Even if you thought he flopped at one point they certainly could have not called anything.

Basically, they're going to have to do what the defender that drew the charge on Webster. He had the position before Webster even turned the corner and never left that spot. That's what it's going to take this year. The on on Peltz and the one where Pitchford flopped aren't going to get called. I think the rule reads that the defender has to have position before the ball handler makes his motion towards the shot which happens about a step before he leaves the ground usually.

Yes. The purpose of the new block/charge rule is to make it almost impossible for that secondary defender to draw a charge. They want to force that secondary defender to make an actual basketball play on the ball, such as trying to block the shot instead of being able to stand there and flop backward. The secondary defender (off ball defender) has to be in planted position before the driver of the basketball makes his first move toward the basket. Almost impossible. And I like it.

 

Thanks for the clarification guys

First half definitely went well, 2nd half....sloppy.

I knew coming into this game that it wasn't going to be all that sharp.  After all of the buzz from game 1 and all of the bells and whistles I was actually nervous of a let down game.  I'm just glad we took control early and didn't really let them hang around.  As somebody else noted, in years past we let teams like this hang around and we as fans have to sweat it out for 40 minutes. 

The thing I like about this years team is that we have so many different scoring options.  This should really help in the ol' Nebraska scoring droughts that we are so used too.  Plus, we are doing this without Ray and Biggs.  Say what you will about Ray (as I know some are a little harsh on him), but the guy can score and can score fast when he gets going.  He also can continue to just chuck up shots when he is a bit off.  BUT, with that said, this year we have more options so we don't need that from him.  The other thing about Ray is how good and underrated of a defender he is.  It will be very interesting to see how Ray gels in. 

I'm also excited to see what Biggs can bring to the table.  With the new foul rules this year, I am just so happy we can pretty comfortably go 9 deep and not miss a beat.  I think this will play in huge for NU this year.  Can you imagine the rules like this last year when we were playing 5 guys come games? YIKES! 

We will have some games like this where we don't look that sharp.  With a young and new team its going to happen.  I'm really excited to see how we do out at the Charleston Classic.  REALLY hoping we can beat UMASS and have a shot at New Mexico assuming they win.  Just to kind of see how we stack up vs a top team like that.  UMASS will be very tough obviously so we will worry about them first (and SC State on Sunday as well).

What I'm hoping to see on Sunday is a lot of minutes from Biggs/Gallegos to get them in a little game shape before heading to the Classic. 

About the game last night. For only the second outing for this young team I'm just happy with the win. We won and won in convincing fashion (for the most part taking away some of the garbage time 3s by them) despite going against a weird team to play. That game had the potential to go a different direction when you think about our guys having to see a completely different style, a style that can really muck things up compared to what they saw with FGCU. After they closed the initial gap to 8-7, the game was never in question. For a team that's still figuring itself out due to youth, new bodies, and suspensions, last night was about what I expected on the offensive end. Rough. Miles talked a little in the post game about guys learning their roles within the team and how that process will come along. For the offense being rough I was pleased with our defense (for the most part), rebounding, and taking care of the ball. Defend, rebound, don't turn the ball over. Do that and we have a chance to win any game. The offense will come along and take care of itself. We have enough weapons. Guys will learn their roles. Guys will come off of suspension. Miles also hinted at the fact that maybe he dictated offensive sets a little too much last night. He said maybe the team is better off when he just lets them go within the motion offense. He's gonna watch the film to see if that's indeed true. I'm pretty pleased after 2 wins. We need to be 3-0 heading to the UMass game. I think that's doable.

We need to be 3-0 heading to the UMass game. I think that's doable.

We have hungry players, we're adding two guys who want to score, and SCSU might be the easiest team we play all year. If you want to see Miles yank guys from the game to prove points or sit in row 1 for the last 8 minutes, this will be your ballgame.

Didn't get to attend the game but was able to follow live stats and listen to the radio. Getting Gallegos and Biggs back will be huge in getting other guys some rest. We need Tai to be way better from the line....he has a very nice stroke so it appears to be more so a mental thing than anything else. That will get fixed. I agree with Miles 100% we are a big man away...but this team will still be fun to watch and considering how the roster looked when Miles took over I think we are much farther along than anyone could have hoped.

For all you guys bagging on Petteway's shot selection....I'll take a few guys with questionable shot selection over a squad afraid to shoot the ball any day of the week.  The dude led the team in assists, rebounds, and made FTs....he just happened to be the guy who also led the team in shot attempts.

OK, so back to the question of calling charging that Dimes raised earlier, I note there was a charge called against Webster right after a blocking call charged against Peltz on the other end.  I get the no-handcheck rule.  I'm down with that.  I think basically eliminating charging is a bad thing because it seems to me that a defender cannot hold his ground. 

Last night, for example, Pitchford holds his ground and does the old-fashioned flop where the offensive player knocks him over.  The offensive guy initiated the contact.  Pitchford was stationary.  But Pitchford is called for the foul.  How the hell does that happen?  Can someone explain that one?  Is that just a bad call by the official?  Seems to me that if it isn't a charge anymore, it should just be a no call.  Why can't the defender hold his position when the offensive player initiates contact?

And what about when an offensive player lowers his shoulder to initiate contact with a defense player in space?  That used to be a charge.  He lowered his shoulder.  Can offensive players just start ramming defenders now in order to draw fouls?

I seriously don't get the new rules on charging.  Can someone please explain?

OK, so back to the question of calling charging that Dimes raised earlier, I note there was a charge called against Webster right after a blocking call charged against Peltz on the other end. I get the no-handcheck rule. I'm down with that. I think basically eliminating charging is a bad thing because it seems to me that a defender cannot hold his ground.

Last night, for example, Pitchford holds his ground and does the old-fashioned flop where the offensive player knocks him over. The offensive guy initiated the contact. Pitchford was stationary. But Pitchford is called for the foul. How the hell does that happen? Can someone explain that one? Is that just a bad call by the official? Seems to me that if it isn't a charge anymore, it should just be a no call. Why can't the defender hold his position when the offensive player initiates contact?

And what about when an offensive player lowers his shoulder to initiate contact with a defense player in space? That used to be a charge. He lowered his shoulder. Can offensive players just start ramming defenders now in order to draw fouls?

I seriously don't get the new rules on charging. Can someone please explain?

I like the new block/charge call. It forces the secondary defender try to make a play on the ball instead of jumping in front and flopping. Right now, a lot of off ball guys are still trying to draw that charge, as the season goes along I think we'll see less players making that mistake.

Again, it's all about the secondary defender. If the secondary defender wants to draw a charge, they have to be planted before the ball handler makes his initial move toward the basket. Almost impossible.

I can't remember what Pitchford play you're talking about. But I've said this all along with this rule change. I like it. I also like the no chucking, hand checking, humping, or arm barring of the guards. BUT, if they're going to be successful instituting these change then they MUST call charges/offensive fouls on the ball handler when the ball handler initiates the contact. They have to call it when the defender is moving his feet, sliding along in proper guarding position, and the offensive player dips a should or goes through the defender.

I think we played great until 6:24 left in the game.  That is the moment when Runza called Miles and said I think you'd better slow it down a bit.  You can win comfortably without scoring 65 and instead of giving the 15000 a free runza.  We'll give you and the rest of the team two

They score 4 points and slowed everything up from that point, and miles not taking the 3 at the end makes my story true.

Recap of the night in the B1G from BT Powerhouse:  http://www.btpowerhouse.com/2013/11/12/5098368/big-ten-basketball-tuesday-michigan-state-michigan-pitino-albrecht-walton-hollins-craft

Nebraska 62 Western Illinois 47

Nebraska came back down to earth but still was good enough to easily dismantle the Leathernecks of Western Illinois. Building a 19 point halftime lead, Nebraska coasted and kept the game at bay to win by 15. The team's shooting slipped considerably from their impressive opener, but the defense stepped up holding Western Illinois to 37.8% from the field and 4 of 19 from beyond the arc.

Coming off of his player of the week honors, Shavon Shields added 13 points and 4 rebounds. Walter Pitchford, Terran Petteway and Leslee Smith all added double digits while the remaining roster added only 12 points. The team's production may have slipped but there was still a balanced approach based on production. Nebraska's young team has a medley of weapons and seems like they won't rely too heavily on just one guy, which could be pivotal for the team. Their new arena will make Lincoln a hard place to play at and now they will host South Carolina State this weekend. The Bulldogs are coming off of a Michigan beatdown and Nebraska will look to get in on the fun.

 

 

 

Crowd was good and was fairly pleased with the number of students that eventually showed up.  But again I cannot understand why the students fill the sides before anyone goes to the end.  The active students need to be behind the basket not on the sideline.

 

Maybe it's just be, but standing on the side >>> standing behind the basket.

 

 

Sideline >>>>>>>>> Behind the basket.

 

Agreed

 

I guess I am clearly in the minority on this - but I would like to know why? 

I can see preferring the sideline if the goal is just to watch the game and you prefer that vantage point.  But if you want to be noticed in order to impact the game and create energy in the arena it seems that is much easier to do on the end.  I sit on the side opposite the students so I am looking "at" them the whole game and don't even notice the students over there - except the guy that was dressed like the elf last Friday.   Seems to me that the student section that can impact the game is the one on the end where you can be seen by the players and noticed by more of the crowd.   Explain to me why I am wrong?

 

OK, so back to the question of calling charging that Dimes raised earlier, I note there was a charge called against Webster right after a blocking call charged against Peltz on the other end. I get the no-handcheck rule. I'm down with that. I think basically eliminating charging is a bad thing because it seems to me that a defender cannot hold his ground.

Last night, for example, Pitchford holds his ground and does the old-fashioned flop where the offensive player knocks him over. The offensive guy initiated the contact. Pitchford was stationary. But Pitchford is called for the foul. How the hell does that happen? Can someone explain that one? Is that just a bad call by the official? Seems to me that if it isn't a charge anymore, it should just be a no call. Why can't the defender hold his position when the offensive player initiates contact?

And what about when an offensive player lowers his shoulder to initiate contact with a defense player in space? That used to be a charge. He lowered his shoulder. Can offensive players just start ramming defenders now in order to draw fouls?

I seriously don't get the new rules on charging. Can someone please explain?

I like the new block/charge call. It forces the secondary defender try to make a play on the ball instead of jumping in front and flopping. Right now, a lot of off ball guys are still trying to draw that charge, as the season goes along I think we'll see less players making that mistake.

Again, it's all about the secondary defender. If the secondary defender wants to draw a charge, they have to be planted before the ball handler makes his initial move toward the basket. Almost impossible.

I can't remember what Pitchford play you're talking about. But I've said this all along with this rule change. I like it. I also like the no chucking, hand checking, humping, or arm barring of the guards. BUT, if they're going to be successful instituting these change then they MUST call charges/offensive fouls on the ball handler when the ball handler initiates the contact. They have to call it when the defender is moving his feet, sliding along in proper guarding position, and the offensive player dips a should or goes through the defender.

 

Pitchford picked up his 4th foul defending their low post player.  Pitchford was planted and stationary, the offensive player whom Pitch was guarding pivoted toward the basket, lowered his shoulder into Pitch thereby initiating contact, and Pitch flopped.  And Pitch was called for the foul.  And let's be clear.  Pitchford was not moving at the time.  The offensive player turned into him and lowered his shoulder, initiating contact.  The kind of thing you would see dozens of times in seasons past that would be called a charge on the offensive player.

Why is this a foul on Pitchford?

 

 

 

 

Crowd was good and was fairly pleased with the number of students that eventually showed up.  But again I cannot understand why the students fill the sides before anyone goes to the end.  The active students need to be behind the basket not on the sideline.

 

Maybe it's just be, but standing on the side >>> standing behind the basket.

 

 

Sideline >>>>>>>>> Behind the basket.

 

Agreed

 

 

I guess I am clearly in the minority on this - but I would like to know why? 

 

I can see preferring the sideline if the goal is just to watch the game and you prefer that vantage point.  But if you want to be noticed in order to impact the game and create energy in the arena it seems that is much easier to do on the end.  I sit on the side opposite the students so I am looking "at" them the whole game and don't even notice the students over there - except the guy that was dressed like the elf last Friday.   Seems to me that the student section that can impact the game is the one on the end where you can be seen by the players and noticed by more of the crowd.   Explain to me why I am wrong?

 

You aren't wrong.  When I was a student during the successful Danny Nee years I always got to Devaney very early and sat in the very first row right under the hoop.  For the diehard student fan, this is where you can most impact the game and bother the other team, especially during free throws.  I can understand a casual student fan preferring the sideline (better view).  But can't relate to the diehard student fan preferring the sideline. 

The students on the end aren't as close as they were at Devaney.  I think the students on the ends aren't going to feel like they can be heard by and influence opposing players nearly as much because of the added separation between the court and the seats.  Plus, they now have a row or two of premium floor seating between them and the court.  That's nowhere near the same kind of environment that made Noah famous.

OK, so back to the question of calling charging that Dimes raised earlier, I note there was a charge called against Webster right after a blocking call charged against Peltz on the other end. I get the no-handcheck rule. I'm down with that. I think basically eliminating charging is a bad thing because it seems to me that a defender cannot hold his ground.

Last night, for example, Pitchford holds his ground and does the old-fashioned flop where the offensive player knocks him over. The offensive guy initiated the contact. Pitchford was stationary. But Pitchford is called for the foul. How the hell does that happen? Can someone explain that one? Is that just a bad call by the official? Seems to me that if it isn't a charge anymore, it should just be a no call. Why can't the defender hold his position when the offensive player initiates contact?

And what about when an offensive player lowers his shoulder to initiate contact with a defense player in space? That used to be a charge. He lowered his shoulder. Can offensive players just start ramming defenders now in order to draw fouls?

I seriously don't get the new rules on charging. Can someone please explain?

I like the new block/charge call. It forces the secondary defender try to make a play on the ball instead of jumping in front and flopping. Right now, a lot of off ball guys are still trying to draw that charge, as the season goes along I think we'll see less players making that mistake.

Again, it's all about the secondary defender. If the secondary defender wants to draw a charge, they have to be planted before the ball handler makes his initial move toward the basket. Almost impossible.

I can't remember what Pitchford play you're talking about. But I've said this all along with this rule change. I like it. I also like the no chucking, hand checking, humping, or arm barring of the guards. BUT, if they're going to be successful instituting these change then they MUST call charges/offensive fouls on the ball handler when the ball handler initiates the contact. They have to call it when the defender is moving his feet, sliding along in proper guarding position, and the offensive player dips a should or goes through the defender.

Pitchford picked up his 4th foul defending their low post player. Pitchford was planted and stationary, the offensive player whom Pitch was guarding pivoted toward the basket, lowered his shoulder into Pitch thereby initiating contact, and Pitch flopped. And Pitch was called for the foul. And let's be clear. Pitchford was not moving at the time. The offensive player turned into him and lowered his shoulder, initiating contact. The kind of thing you would see dozens of times in seasons past that would be called a charge on the offensive player.

Why is this a foul on Pitchford?

Ok now I know the play you are talking about. That was a bad call.

I think the foul on Pitchford was because it was a legitimate flop.  That call isn't going to get called anymore.  He was just simply overmatched by a guy who was probably 30 lbs bigger than him or more.  Teams are going to have to find a more creative way to defend the post than fall to the ground when the offensive player makes contact.  That's what Peltz and Pitchford both did last night.  Webster's guy had that spot for at least 3 steps before he got there.  We're going to have to adjust our expectations on what constitutes a charge now because it's going to look different.  Flops aren't going to get called anymore, and I like that.  I would like to see them insititute some sort of lowering the shoulder foul, because we've already seen that where the offensive player can just ram in there and draw the foul, but simply getting to the spot and falling backwards like in the past isn't going to do it anymore.